Zenyatta Vs. The Best 

My thoughts also. It would have been amusing though to see both Zenyatta and Secretariat battle for last position then both heading towards the lead.

Like he did against Onion or Angie Lite?

Secretariat had one miracle day where he beat a small field with virtually nothing in it and he’s heralded as the greatest ever! They had to fudge the numbers to give him the Preakness record over Tanks Prospect! Truth be told he lost in the Wood Memorial finishing 3rd! and lost to a no name named Onion in the Travers trained by the Giant Killer Jetkens! Maybe the day of the Belmont he felt his oats and was nearly unbeatable but let’s face it that margin would only be 3 lengths at best going up against the likes of a Citation or Point Given. And we’ll never know the greatness of Man O’War because his jockey was told to ease him in 75 percent of his races. But take away that Belmont and he was a very beatable horse. As referenced here. You put him in a field with Zenyatta, Man O’ War, Citation, Seattle Slew, Kelso, Point Given, Easy Goer, War Admiral, and run a Belmont 10 times and you might have a different winner each time depending upon how the race set up! Slew could easily run stride for stride with him for 6 furlongs to a mile! Take a look at Slews Jockey Club in 1978. And with a pace like that it would set up for a Zenyatta and Man ‘O War and Kelso! Secretariat no doubt was a great horse. But let’s not fall in love with that Belmont and look at the whole body of work and we see that he’s definitely top 5 but could be beaten by almost any of those I mentioned in a Belmont depending upon how the race and post positions set up.

@@theeverseeingeye7290 you speak nothing but facts

No Rachel would or zenyatta because she bet colts they are only fillys secretariat only bet colts so they are better secretariat would of went against fillys if he was not afraid to zenyatta and Rachel alexandra set new records every race they have been undefeated in there races secretariat got defeated so ya he would of set a new record because just because he won by 31 lengths does not mean that fillys are not faster than him.

Zenyatta was much bigger than Ruffian.

It because they know he would beat her and that would start a big controversy XD

I'm appalled that they would place cigar in this whack-a-doo sim. How many people actually think of him when they think of horse racing?

XD I know right!!

Are you kidding.. Cigar is one of the all time greats...

Love the way cigar moved aside last second to let zenyatta through. Rubbish sim.

Yes the great one, the destroyer of worlds. Secretariat would smoke them all.

If Secretariat is included in this group of horses the outcome will be Secretariat will be in front and the result will be he is fulling away by 31 lengths or more ...

And she'd rather break herself, hurt herselfor even kill herself trying to stay in front than to give up. She proved that more then once...

Zenyatta had great closing speed. She broke track speed records even though she diddled behind for three quarters of the race. But what happens if she starts early with her speed? Is there any horse that could keep up with her? Doubtful.

I’m with you no way Ruffian comes in 6th

RidingWithRuffian exactly!!!

So Ruffian would have beaten multiple male horses in one race but she never beat any her entire career?

Your right

Not sure. In a real race Rachel Alexandra wouldn't finished last. And she beats any of Ruffians records.

You have got that wrong go and look at Zenyatta's times for the various distances and she has ruffian beat in every distance that the two horses ran in.

@@jnormanton ruffian fanboys don't listen to times and logic. They just hype her up because she died.

Excuse me? Ruffian never beat a male horse like Zenyatta.

It would be kind of an insult to Big Red and Sham, for that matter. Probably why you don't see Sham in this "race" either. lol

Seattle Slew is the best race horse of all time. Don't insult the great Seattle Slew like that

It would have been a one horse race, again. Remember Belmont.

He obviously would have won considering his triple crown records still stand.

Bruhh, i know. Just thought he should have been included.

Secretariat had 5 losses in 21 starts. The REAL disgrace is where is Man O' War? Like I told the other commenter yes if you insert ANY horse in the Derby or the triple crown in 73' with their times they lose every time BUT that is not going to happen as they raced different races in different times AND Man O' War broke all records WHILE carrying an extra 140 lbs in weights and being restrained. So if you inserted Secretariat into Zenyatta's run I think she runs him down, BUT I think Man O' War is too much for all of them...

Leonardo Donato look at secretariats stride and man O’ wars. I’ve seen both horses races in videos. Both are great horses but nobody can come close to big red

Let's face it. Secretariat was in a class by himself.

CourageousSam agreed this was terrible. Ruffian should won or Seabiscuit lol plus not to add she would of at least kept her lead in 2. Ruffian never gives up

the biscuit never gave up either. running on 1938 injuries that could be healed better today. I guess Secretariat was a late scratch. lol.

CourageousSam yeah nah , secretariat would leave ruffian in the dust

Wrong..Look at Zenyatta times for various distances and look at Ruffian time. Damn you fucks like picking Ruffian because she died but she wouldn't have beat Zenyatta.

Man O War could beat them all with ease, and there’s no way Citation looses.

That’s why they didn’t have Secretariat in it

No its because zenyatta and Rachel alexandra would of beat him because he only bet colts it does not mean that fillys are faster than him so ya.

Blame?

Secretariat probably would have beat her. He was the better horse. Although she had the same stride angle as Secretariat and also had about 1 ft. longer in her stride. I don't think she had a big enough engine to beat the great one.

And Seattle Slew

Wheres. Onion

Actually zenyatta is better because she was undefeated in her 19 career starts so ya.

No he wouldn’t

@@ryleigh995 He would have you forgotten who he is?

Ryleigh Hayes you’re having a laugh? He would of dominated that race

No actually zenyatta and Rachel alexandra were undefeated in zenyattas 19 career starts secretariat has been defeated so ya.

@@spaz5138 a horse being defeated means nothing. Way to many variables to use that as a stat. Not mention Sec was dealing with injury during the wood. Secs times stand for themselves and 40 years later have never been beaten. He was perfection

Zero...She also has INFERIOR Speed Figures compared to Most Horses in this Race...Real Race She would have had a Legit chance to Finish in the Back of the Field...This Simulation Program they used is Dumber than a Box of rocks

Zenyatta was, primarily, a specialist in the failed experiment of synthetic surface. By my count, Zenyatta ran four times on natural dirt: the El Encino, her first stakes win, run eight months before Santa Anita installed an artificial Cushion Track surface; her two ventures to Oaklawn Park for the Apple Blossom Invitational; and the 2010 Breeders' Cup Classic, held at Churchill Downs, where she lost. (I acknowledge she could have/should have won that race. But even two wins rather than one in open competition wouldn't hike her up to the top IMO.) The California Horse Racing Board had mandated all CA tracks convert to synthetic by the end of 2007. Hollywood Park, where Zenyatta ran her first two races in November and December of 2006, had converted to Cushion Track (synthetic fiber, elastic fiber and granulated rubber, all coated with wax and mixed with silica) a few months prior to her debut. Del Mar converted to Polytrack (polypropylene fibers, rubber, and silica sand, all beneath a wax coating) early in 2007, well before Zenyatta ran there. Santa Anita reconverted to natural dirt in December 2010, Del Mar in 2015. Hollywood Park has closed. Zenyatta could handle dirt, obviously, winning 3 of 4 starts on the surface. But I am uncomfortable calling a horse who ran on actual dirt a total of four times the best on that surface in the past two decades. Zenyatta's style of running was ideal for synthetic, which favors long striding horses with a late kick. Form on synthetic FAR more resembles form on turf than it does that on natural dirt surface. Many good speed horses have flopped on synthetic, unable to adapt. Too bad Zenyatta was never tried on grass.

Exactly what I was about to say. She proved that when she went head and head with Hot-N-Nasty.

I know, right? She even was injured, but continued to run, and won a new stakes record. She was untouchable, no one could ever get past her when she pulled ahead

+Paige Northrock Right on. She wouldn't give up her lead once she had it. She's my favorite horse of all time because of her heart to race. This 'race' is greatly incorrect.

nope she would have charged

The immortals finished 1-3 and 5-6 in this race so how is it ridiculous lmao

Yeh where is he?

+HorseLuver0206 Actually Ruffian beated some of his track records and Rachel Alexandra beated Ruffians record in the mother goose just saying. ;-)

Amberlovies oh k

It would pointless to put Secretariat in the race because he would always beat them all...

You realize Secretariat had 5 losses to sub par competition in 21 starts right? No? Once again someone not doing their research and just using opinion instead of data. Yes Secretariat was incredible and if you use the 1973 race and insert Zenyatta Secretariat would win (with any horse) BUT that is not going to happen as the horses lived 40 years apart. So if it wasn't that specific race in the Derby I think Zenyatta runs him down. Who you should be upset at not being in the field is Man O'war...

I suspect the main consideration was "how popular is Zenyatta?," because I seriously doubt this would have been the finish in a real-life race. Consider some of the horses left out of "the best"--Secretariat, Man o' War, Dr. Fager. I love Zenyatta, I really do, and I watch her win videos regularly, but I just can't go along with this simulation.

qhsperson I think the point was just to get a bunch of great horses from the past and see how they fare against each other. If they did want the top horses of all time they missed, because I don't know of anyone who doesn't have Secretariat and Man o War in their top 5. As for the actual simulation, I could see it holding up up on turf. If it were on dirt I see it playing out very much like her 2010 Breeder's Cup Classic. Yeah she would make a push, but the reason she was SO far back in that race is because the pace was set higher than most she had been in. Ruffian would likely put her in a similar position, I don't know if Z could catch up or not. On turf I'd say yes, on dirt, she probably comes up just short.

So Ruffian would have beaten 2 male horses in the same race but she never beat a male horse her entire career? Make it make sense

Late entry - Secretariat carrying 175 pounds.