Zionism Before Herzl (1882-1896) 

I'm sure you will cover everything needed over time. No need to rush. Weird, RU-vid is telling you just published this an hour ago but your posting here says two days ago, hope I'm not late.

Yeah, you're not. I was sharing it with my voice actors in advance before going public.

Keep up the good and wise pace for yourself. You do such good work, we want you to continue without burning out or being too pressured by YT. Another well done segment.

As long as you don't ignore the Bund, I'm good. Lot of family history with them and it often gets thrown under the bus to talk about Zionism

@@SamAronow oh good, RU-vid can be strange so I check. Don't worry about your pace, one of my favorite channels, Fall of Civilizations , only posts once every 2 months. Millions of views, if you go to their channel you will see why, excellent research, stunning visuals obviously comes from old money but nice folks. The algorithm will adjust and more people will find you. You do excellent work. This video gave me a new perspective on aliyah. Thank you.

If only the Israeli state listened to his warnings!!

Love your videos too man, thanks for helping Sam :)

if only whatifalthist was here thats all my favorite history RU-vidrs in one video :)

I'm very glad to see you guys collaborating! I imagine it will bring much new attention to Sam.

It's awesome to see you contributing to the growth of fellow history channels on RU-vid. Maybe in a year or two you can make an Illiberal Democracies sequel about Israel, as it seems the country I grew up in is rapidly changing for the worse. It is actually quite fascinating, and I believe it would make for an interesting video essay. Glass half full.

I wondered when will you show up on this channel; it always had seemed inevitable to me for some reason. I love both of your channels very very much. What does your acknowledgment of this channel mean about your future plan of making a three part video about the history of the Jewish people? I remember reading about it in your future projects document.

A strange man seems to have finished the Freemasonry movement in order to know this information

Vilna *Gaon*

That would be a very valuable idea, since today there is very peculiar phenomenon where most of history being taught around the world, hides all of this information when approaching the subject of the beggining of the Israeli-arab conflict and makes the students to have the wrong perception that the jews came in batches all of a sudden to the holy-land im a matter of couple of years, when this is false and in interest of fullfilling one side of the narrative. So having a clear picture of the truth, of a constant presence of the jews there, and also telling about the presence(or lack) of other people and their quantities accross the centuries and decades telling why the land was mostly empty and why is now full of people claiming a stake, could draw a clear picture that this land was transformed an re-transformed up until de end of the XIV century where this noble jews investing in agricuture, new neighborhoods and clearing deseases from swamp areas made people of both jew and arab sides to flock the area searching for new opportunities.

Seems like that's exactly what he'll cover in the next episode.

Will you elaborate more on this idea @formulaone07? I’m curious to learn more

@@sportzajent i assume Sam will get around to mentioning it in one of the upcoming videos, so I prefer not to offer any spoilers. If you don't learn about this in a future video, I will try to remember to elaborate later.

It's even in the Bible! God makes the Israelites wander in the wilderness for 40 years to prevent a country from being run by former slaves.

@@SamAronow There's another view of it is that they wandered the desert for that period of times they could build-up their numbers before they invaded another country to conquer it

Today Poland.

@@chimera9818 That's exactly what I said...

@@chimera9818 What? The "E" and the "A"? That is still the same.

And repeat after the first iteration!

interesting, israel also does not recognize the Armenian genocide

I'm (allegedly) working on a miniseries based on a novel that was a Jewish critique of _Daniel Deronda._

@@SamAronow As an Englishman, Daniel being Jewish in British culture is what appeals to me and the pull that Judaism has on one's soul. I don't focus on the Zi on ism storyline. I can't fault Eliot because of her Chris tian perspective. Certainly handled better than Dickens! 👍

Surprisingly, Ahad HaAm was a Classical Liberal, which put him at odds with the vast majority of Zionists at this time. However, he sided firmly with the socialists in opposition to the pure Political Zionism of fellow liberal Theodor Herzl, of which there will be much to say in the future.

@@SamAronow Liberal? Herzl was a fierce supporter of unions and worker rights. Even the flag he proposed for the Jewish state reflects that.

You can be a Liberal and support unions and workers' rights. We're about to have a whole big talk about the Progressive Era in the US and that's a big part of it.

@@SamAronow Henry George is maybe the embodiment of this school of thought. He very famous in USA, but unknown in the rest of the world

They tried doing it but failed since they weren't farmer in Russia. After a while they became skilled workers and didn't need the locals anymore.

rosh pina is considered by many (many sixth generation residents of rosh pina) to be the first ever mosava in reality that is generally considered to be false but it still is one of the oldest

And Beit HaTikva is actually Yeruham.

I live in PT...

And I'm glad you came to _this_ video, because it shamefully gets way fewer views than the Herzl one.

@@SamAronow 😸

There's a section about jewish and muslim relations in the wikipedia article about yemenite jews: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Jews. If you want more in depth details about yemenite jews in the modern era, try finding some of Dr. Menashe Anzi lectures.

Good call

That’s all the Arabs could do- generally speaking

Today in Poland.

I mean, this is a political paradox that is even in the Bible, and in his original text that's what he references, but reading I couldn't help but think of the instances where that very emphatically _didn't_ happen. Iraq is probably the most prominent current example. Honestly, it seemed like the kind of subject Kraut would be interested in.

@@SamAronow I’m surprised you didn’t mention Ahad ha’am’s socialist leanings. The part in “The Truth from Eretz Israel” where he talks about the Arab landowners price-gouging Jews for tiny plots of dirt had me rolling

A similar situation happened in Haiti. As soon as they kicked out the French, the new Haitian ruling class became the new slave masters.

@@mew11two No?

Please help me out here. Moses was a Levite (descendand of Levi, third son of Jacob and Leah) so were his cousins and siblings, like Aaron whose descendants are the Kohanim who naturally are also Levites. So how can all Levites be descendants from Moses alone?

However tho while there is some truth to what ahad haAm said there he does completely fetishise the arabs and make the same fallacy you see western left-wingers make time and time again - cozy up to minorities (or in this case the "other" group) and treat them as a monolith instead of as individuals

Correct about what exactly?

How was he correct?

@@superelizabeth9253 Well Palestinians are quite vengeful, law is on the side of Israelis in totality and he predicted this 50 years ago.

@@superelizabeth9253 Other than that his prediction of slaves becoming slavemasters is also incredible.

I didn't actually know that Michael Ignatieff is his descendant; I was just making a stupid joke that you're the first person to notice.

@@SamAronow Yes indeed! I looked it up again and Michael Ignatieff is the great-grandson of Nikolay. I guess their family, being aristocrats, escaped the Russian revolution and reinvented themselves as members of Canada's upper crust

​@@bluequiltednessKhazari being smart and stupid at the same time is amazing

@@user-cg2tw8pw7j it's called being cunning but not necessarily intelligent.

My sources were also confusingly worded and I got mixed up.

@@chimera9818 my grandfather also says that it's related to flutes/music because it's from the root זמ”ר but that sounds more like a folk etymology to me.

I think it's Unpacked, who also have a youtube channel dedicated to jewish history...

Really makes you think.

Well, I've been told that the ultra-Orthodox are indeed anti-Zionist.

@@kellygroen4254 Some are. But they compromise those values to halt change and get special funding.

@@themacandcheeseorca1128 Supporting 19th century Ottoman Empire marriage and divorce rules strikes me as the ultimate anti-Zionist move (even if Shas and UTJ now shill for the occupation as well.)

I don't think you understood him very much...

They haven't suffered any more than anyone else. People have a bad habit of doing bad things and then wondering why they have problems. And when people migrate to new places, both they and the people they wander among have problems.

indeed

@@talink6867 I've been waiting for a proper video on Zionism by Sam for almost a year, and it's just around the corner now. Damn it feels good.