ZODIAC (2007) - WTF REALLY Happened to this Movie? 

That's David Fincher for you. Recreating everything as perfectly as possible. The irony is though despite all the little details in this movie being accurate to the time and setting, the reoccurring accusations against suspect Arthur Leigh Allen are way off.

All that historical accuracy is thrown out the window when some idiot leaves their Starbuck cup in a shot. I know it didn't happen in this movie, just saying. Things like Starbucks shouldn't be allowed on set, unless poured into another cup or glass.

@@brownsamurai3070 Bit of a digression, since, as you said, that didn't happen in this movie. But I worked as a script supervisor for a while (long, long ago), and forbidding Starbucks cups on set would be like using a wine cork to keep a dam from breaking. There are always tons of "intruding elements" on set, brought in by both cast and crew. When it's not personal objects, then it's the very tools used to make the movie/TV show. Sure, everyone on set is supposedly responsible for their stuff, but it's up to the script supervisor to make sure that there's nothing on the shot that is not supposed to be there. And this may sound like a simple "You Had One Job!" case to some, but it really is not. That is just one of the many tasks the script supervisor is meant to perform, and of course, the more intricate the production (particularly in historical, fantasy, or sci-fi settings), the harder the work, and the more likely it is that something will slip up. Particularly when everyone is in a hurry to get things done, which is the default environment in movie sets. tl;dr People do their best, but shit happens. They're not idiots, but overworked professionals who got distracted for a moment that, sadly, was immortalized on screen.

@@brownsamurai3070 are you sure you're not talking about GoT's? Or did this happen in the Zodiac as well?

@@jimsty5222 I explicitly said _I know this didn't happen in this movie, just saying_ Yes, I was referencing GoT for an example. I was saying all the painstaking steps it takes to make sure everything is historically accurate can get squashed by something as simple as someone leaving a modern day disposable coffee cup in the scene or even on the set.

No country and Into the wild were the best

@@Thatguy55595 There Will be Blood was the best, imo.

What are they doing? They're stomping the yard. Where've you been?

Into the wild was okay the rest of the movies you mentioned are terrible lop

Assassination of Jesse James

loved that scene.

Gave me blood flow

omg it made me super 💦 lol 😜

An extremely terribly scary and sad scene! It was dreadful to watch, and it was very disturbing, indeed.

@@dying101666, you’re trolling, as no healthy well-adjusted adult human being would enjoy that scene. It was heartbreaking. The young woman in real life survived for 2 days in the hospital, and then she died due to those wounds inflicted upon her by the worthless piece of flesh who was the murderer.

Don't u dare to compare this with " fight club ".

I enjoyed this movie from the first viewing and have watched it A dozen times since then. Bizzarly, I watched it again today.

These video titles always make me think he hated the movie.

And RDJ playing an alcoholic? I’ll bet that was a stretch.

the basement scene

@@MA-mg4cd Most intense scene in the movie.

Yes, nuff said

Really? Never seen it, I have to check it out!

no time is safe time and no place is safe place.

And the way she was squirming around. Zodiac always made sure the women died but wasn’t as good with the men. He left two live witnesses so not a very good killer after all. The scary and horrific thing is the girl at the lake didn’t die right away. She was still alive when the police got there and was giving them information as she was dying. Eesh.

It used to be one of my favorites but now I've seen it so many times I can't stand it, lol.

Makes you wonder what he could have done with the Alien IP if the studio and actors didn’t mess with him so much.

@@joehonest7074 truth!

Hell no! The Social Network, Fight Club are far superior. Seven is also better. Zodiac had some scary scenes, it created a lot of tension but the ending was anticlimactic.

@@move_i_got_this5659 his filmography is spectacular. I consider it his finest work. The mood and tension he created were amazing. But it's all a matter of opinion. I love all his films

@@move_i_got_this5659 think that’s kinda the point .

Funny how that happens. Last summer I found a good price online for Joseph Losey's "Secret Ceremony" on bluray. I hadn't seen it, but I'm a big fan of Losey, and it was a Powerhouse Films release, and they do excellent work (they're like a British mini-Criterion Collection.) The cast is great- Mia Farrow, Elizabeth Taylor, and Robert Mitchum, but for whatever reason the bluray sat on MY shelf for months, until 3 or 4 weeks ago. I finally watched it- and it blew my mind. Not everyone feels the same, apparently, but I think it's brilliant. And it's the best performance I've ever personally seen out of Mitchum. He's terrifying. Had no idea the whole time, this film I would love was just sitting there.

I've seen Zodiac 6 times and it never gets old.

That scene with the couple being stabbed was so terrifying to watch. That movie was definitely keeping me on edge the entire time..

Irish Joe, makes 2 of us lulz

The music is great too

I also think the film does have a clear ending....they believe Lee was the Zodiac.

@@drewfleming5584 Which is what Graysmith argues in his book. But he also claimed to have solved Zodiac's 340 cipher. However this Cipher was legitimately solved in late 2020. Graysmith is a hack.

what i dont understand is that if people wanted a happy and conclusive ending, why watch a film based on one of the most graphic and unsettling unsolved true crime stories of all time? humanity often confuses me

technically theres more gore in most movies but its divorced from reality - this one in zodiac actually felt like real people getting stabbed

And the end result is a perfect film.

Except he failed to expose THE REAL ZODIAC. Here the egomaniac exposes himself so watch closely.... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NkR0i4hLIlA.html

@@LanceVanceDance84 It's pretty damn close to perfect.

Or he could've planned better and stop tormenting his crew

Not real cinema

@@jaserf5292 HUH?

@@mjsupport78 you realized the actors in Zodiac played other characters in other films!?! Get this woman a Nobel prize immediately!

sigh

Marvel movies suck

JFK was one of the worst, out of touch with reality films ever, and the "hero" of that film had a bizarre obsession with homosexuals

@@BeeHatGuy lol Is that really all you took from that film? Not the brilliant performances from the actors, The direction, the cinematography? The whole point of that film was to show you the multiple theories of the assassination- one of which being that of Clay Bertrand/Shaw, David Ferry etc who were gay

The Mindhunter series is simply brilliant; if you haven't seen it PLEASE watch it!

It's a very good movie. I highly enjoyed it.

Completely agree with everything you said 😊. Lots of great information. One of the best audio commentaries I can think of.

I agree. "JFK" is fascinating to me because I do not necessarily agree with the film's final thesis, but I feel the film itself is near-flawless genius. It makes me sad how Oliver Stone is sometimes seemingly forgotten as a filmmaker in the 21rst-century, and if anything many people still dismiss him as a "conspiracy nut". The run he had in the late-80's to late-90's, from "Salvador" to "Any Given Sunday", is a *remarkable* body of work. He essentially created his own film grammar, starting with the hallucinatory fever dream of "The Doors", and eventually *perfected* (in my opinion) with the time-hopping political nightmarescape of "Nixon". His visual style eventually reverted back to the more classic type he utilized in "Wall Street" and "Platoon", and the quality of his 21rst-century work is admittedly hit-and-miss (although I feel "W" and "World Trade Center" are criminally underrated), but for my money he will always be one of the truly great, distinctly American (for better or worse) filmmakers of all time. When I watch "JFK", regardless whether I "believe" what I'm seeing, I feel like I'm watching a master in total control of his craft. It knocks me over every time.

@@mcnultyssobercompanion6372 Agree entirely, JFK is masterful. Apart from Snowden (which was a bit average) the last Stone-directed film I watched was Nixon (another fine film). Will check out W and World Trade your recommendation.

@@mcnultyssobercompanion6372 Right. I don't necessarily agree, either, because the rabbit hole of theories is very deep indeed--almost bottomless--and with many a side burrow. I'd just like to see an analysis of how accurate the movie is with what are the established facts, though even "established facts" can get dicey at times when it comes to the JFK assassination.

@@happyspaceinvader508 I think you'll (hopefully) be surprised by those films. What I particularly like about "World Trade Center" are the performances by the supporting cast (including an early small role by Jon Bernthal.) Stephen Dorff plays a first responder digging out Nicholas Cage and Michael Pena. There's a line of dialogue where he's about to go into the "pit" of the Trade Center rubble, but first pauses to tell a random person his name (and his wife's name, if I remember correctly), in case anything "happens". It's not the flashiest scene, but there's a dignity in Dorff's line reading that's always moved me. I actually didn't even know it *was* Dorff until the closing credits. It was the first film I ever noticed Michael Shannon. He plays a real life military individual who actually drove across the country to volunteer with rescue efforts. I remember *distinctly* taking note of Shannon's screen presence, which he's since parlayed into an admiral, wide-ranging film career. Frank Whaley plays a former medic who, in real life, also took it upon himself to go downtown and assist in the rescues. He instills a fair amount of dignity into his small role. As for "W's" cast, I've always felt Brolin was robbed of at least an Oscar nomination. Check out Jeffrey Wright as a Colin Powell beset upon by wariness and guilt, as well as Richard Dreyfuss nailing it as a scarily committed Dick Cheney. Hope you like them.

@@Galantski I agree. I know several years ago I randomly stumbled upon a blog by some historian (?) who sort of went through all the various claims made in the film and attempted to debunked each. It read pretty convincing to me, but I'm hardly an expert. I wish I could link it, but that was a while ago. It *would* make a great subject for a video. I remember on the commentary to "JFK" Oliver Stone at least admits the "suspicious hobos by the fence" (which the film implies were likely feds "in on it") has apparently been soundly debunked. My guess is most of it can be. But I'm not qualified to say for certain.

SFPD is the softest police department in Cali.

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That scene is haunting. I've seen other videos dedicated solely to that scene. There's that line "Not many people have basements in California" that just hits with such dread. The best part is the little smile the guy gives right at the end when he lets Graysmith out of his house, showing he was messing with him.

The torso killer case is so interesting that’s so sad that was never made

Young stupid schmucks...

How can he make that mistake when it's pronounced in the historical footage he's using?

@@mooveeluver I also noticed the mispronunciation of Toschi, making me wonder if the narrator had actually watched the film or is just reading a script...

@@mooveeluver do you make videos? I would love if you did since yours would be perfect with no mistakes.

@@hugh-johnfleming289 he’s a schmuck because of that? Jesus Christ

Yes

That's a good song.

I hear that. It was the only show really worth watching on Netflix.

Oh no! I didn’t know it was cancelled. So good.

They cracked them? How?

Thank you. Thank you very muuuuch

@@tylerdurden788 using a diagonal method and a computer, as well as knowledge of english. They made a list of all of the letters used. Q stood out. Knowing that E is the most used letter in english, they substituted E for Q. Things like that.

He was also in Fargo as the cop’s husband.

Melvin Belly hahaha

Even Ironman, the Hulk and Mysterio couldn't catch the Zodiac. LOL!

What did the message say

The case against ALA is getting closer. Check my site and Tom Voigt site. Seems ALAL was in San Fran 3/13/1971 got a ticket and that same day a Zodaic letter was sent from Pleasanton, first and last letter sent from there, 3/13/1971... Interesting, no?