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if you want battle in animes - you should go checkout the anime series "kingdom" - lots of army manoeuvrers on bigger and bigger scales as story progresses~
Another note to take is to remember that the elder lich Igauva has the exact same name as the adventurer that Ainz/Momonga killed before fighting Shalltear.
Then I recomend react to kingdom all trailers if after you react and you get interested react to the anime Is really a good anime I get hyped during the battles.
Luke still trying to figure out the reason for this war, even though it was clearly stated Nazarick wants resources. Specifically, the resource they want is non-human corpses to turn into higher level undead soldiers.
I think that's exactly the reason why he's confused. Ainz or any of the Floor Guardians could easily kill them all alone if the reason for this war was only the resources. I mean, resources are the main reason, but the approach leaves some questions
This Luke is from the past he hasn't read comments, and watch reactions this should be known by a lot of people, they will see the comments and then figure it out.
Tbh, i dont blame Luke for not knowing the reasoning behind this war, even when i first watch this anime, i also thought that they didnt have any motive behind this...
I think Cocytus was just acknowledging that the lizard people fought bravely and won this battle fair and square. He's designed to be a honorable warrior, so he respects foes who deserve respect.
The lizard dude lied about being able to block all fireballs, he bluffed to trick the elder lich so that he won`t use it again. not everything the characters say is the truth, but i won`t blame you for missing some elements, since anime format doesn`t allow for a complete adaptation and skips a lot of infos, but hey that`s why so many comments are about explaining the LORE of overlord. btw the hydra scene is way more emotional in Light novel, because we see her past while she is charging towards the lich, and it explains how the hydra was abandoned by her mother because she had 5 heads instead of 7, and after zaryusu rescued her, she wondered if she is actually a lizardman and has been eagerly waiting everyday to lose the other 4 head and become like the Man she loves.
Agree. Hydra scene is super emotional in the Light Novel, still one of my best moments in the whole anime. Especially the moments when it says: "But she kept running, and running".
what you said about "5k skelingtons not being a threat - its all about the leaders", is 100% true, but also keep in mind that like a single death knight would be enough to kill all the lizard ppl on his own. without ever coming close to loosing. thats how powerful a death knight is in the new world as an example. and thats like lower/mid tier of undead minions nazarick has access too / momonga could potentially summon.
If the other commenter further down is right, the elder lich was about level 40, which is definitely a step up from a death knight at like 30ish. Maybe it was just easier to beat in close combat because it was a magic caster?
@@bemusedbandersnatch2069 No. If I recall in the character sheet in LN, the elder lich's level only around 20. But yes, it received some buff/extra stats because it summoned by Ainz himself. Death Knight level is around 30, but it has lv 25 attack & lv 40 deffense. In this case, death knight is stronger than elder lich. But NW people have their own way to counter death knight, especially if they are 3rd-tier magic casters. They can use fly magic & throw every magic they have to immobilize death knight like what Fluder's & his apprentices do to capture death knight. XD
Actually, I think that Death Knight and Elder Lich both count as 4th-tier undead. Death Knights are just more versatile, as they are supposed to protect casters, while Elder Liches falter in close combat. Ainz wants monster corpses and high-level adventurer corpses to try to create higher than 4th-tier undead, but nothing so far has worked. That was the reason he gave Cocytus for this entire war, after all.
@@FelbloodStreamingstill kinda makes me wonder just how strong frostpane/the buffs it applies are if undead of that level are presumably generally resistant to cold and low level weapons.
I will once again recommend checking out the 2-3 minute Ple-Ple-Pleides shorts that accompany the Overlord episodes and have a movie. adding some humor and lore to the world. Possibly could be a stream to replace a movie stream at some point. Answering Questions/comments: 2:55 Monk’s fight without weapons, using their fists primarily instead 18:40 Oh Luke had a moment of highly astute observation and noticed that Entoma wears a mask 20:10 Entoma may have just told Demiurge not to talk so much 24:00 It was actually a bluff the sword Frost Pain had a limited number of uses per day, but by blocking those 2 shots he got the lich to shift to a different tactic before they were all gone 29:00 I almost never skip Overlord ending 2 and 3 because they are incredibly powerful and symbolic in context, especially with certain events of the show fresh in mind.
22:56 the hydra’s charge was even more epic in the novel-the story switches to the hydra’s perspective as it remembers how Zaryusu took him in and the good times since. It’s an actual tear-jerker moment.
its heavily implied, that the elder lich (his name is Iguva=41), that was leading the undead army group here was created from Igvarge's corpse by ainz, and was to date the highest ranking undead created by him. (still low level tho, compared to anything else in nazarick) Igvarge was the leader of that adventurer group that went with ainz to fight the vampire in season 1 and got killed off. (in the novel 2 of em were killed - igvarge and another while the other 2 were taken back alive to nazarick for informations and experimenting) the lizardman that wears the weird skeleton armour, is wearing one of the 3 legendary artifacts one of the other lizard ppl mentioned in an earlier episode. the armour seals the intelligence of its user away. the higher the users intelligence the higher the defense it would give in return. so only the most intelligent of ppl in their clan would ever done that armour and be their chieftain at the same time. its bones are from a frost dragon and imbued with magic. it could become as hard as mithril or even adamantium, and making the user "near invulnerable" (adamantium is considered like mid tier for nazarick ppl - there is at least 6 or so more ores above it)
Well that makes his death better doesn't it? He wasn't just killed for being a PITA and being in the wrong place at the wrong time, his corpse was useful for experiments! ...that makes it better, right?
Entoma is the cutest! She loves to visit another Nazarick' denizen, Kyouhukou's room for a snack time. How cute is that 😍 Also Luke another reminder, there's an after credit after the screen goes black on episode 4.
You seemed to be really taken by Rororo, the hydra, even calling him your favorite. I agree. I encourage you to read the scene of his charge from the novel, which is totally badass and a little heartbreaking, and adds a lot of characterization you wouldn't necessarily expect given to a hydra. Rororo continued its single-minded sprint forward. Its body was large, but it was running in the marsh, so its speed was about the same as that of a Lizardman. Water splashed in all directions and a liquid cacophony echoed all around it. Its amber eyes had turned cloudy from the great heat, and two of its four heads hung powerlessly. Even so, it continued sprinting forward. Another 「Fireball」 came, striking Rororo’s body. The thermal energy contained within the 「Fireball」 exploded forth and washed all over it. The pain was like being beaten all over its body; its eyes felt drier than ever before, and the superheated air seared its lungs. Its entire body was burned, and the agony that had been wracking Rororo from just now told it that if it continued, its very life was forfeit. Even so - it continued running. It ran. It ran on. It continued forward, never stopping. The high temperatures stripped the scales from its skin and causing blood-spurting blisters to blossom upon it, but even so it carried on, straight ahead. An unintelligent beast would naturally have turned and fled, but Rororo did not do so. Rororo was a magical beast called a Hydra. There were many kinds of magical beasts. Some possessed greater intelligence than a human being and some were little wiser than an average animal. Frankly speaking, Rororo belonged to the latter category. The fact that Rororo - who possessed the wits of an average beast - would continue forward, on the verge of death, towards Igva, the source of its pain was entirely unexpected, nearly impossible to understand. Indeed, even its opponent Igva found it difficult to understand. He wondered if Rororo was under the influence of some magical control. However, that was not the case. Indeed, that was not the answer. Igva would not be able to understand it. Rororo - possessed of an animal’s intelligence - was running with all its might for its kin. Rororo had never seen its parents, yet Hydras were not the sort of creatures to abandon their offspring. Beasts of their kind would live with one of their parents until a certain age, learning how to survive in the wild. But then, why did this not apply to Rororo? That was because Rororo was a mutant. Normal Hydras had eight heads when born, and as they grew older, they sprouted more heads, to a maximum of twelve. However, Rororo only had four heads at birth, so its parents had abandoned it, taking its siblings with them. Without the protection of its parents, even a young Hydra - who might someday grow into a powerful creature - would surely perish in the harsh environs of nature. That is, if a certain Lizardman had not passed by and picked it up. -And so, Rororo gained kin - a father, a mother, and a close friend, all rolled into one. As Rororo’s mind was about to break under the agony, it recalled a question it had always pondered in the past. Why was its body so big? Why did it have so many heads? It occasionally thought that as it looked at the dear parent who had raised it. As a result, Rororo had also thought of something else. Perhaps one day some of its heads might fall off, and its body might slowly sprout limbs like the way grass grew, and it would look like its parent. And if that really happened - what would it ask for? Yes. They had not slept together in a long time, so perhaps it would ask to curl up and nap together. It had always felt lonely because it had become too big and they had to sleep apart. The flames felt like they were burning away Rororo’s thoughts. They filled his vision and the agony shot through his body once more. It moaned in pain as the anguish washed over it. It felt a comforting warmth from behind, but it was nothing compared to the fire consuming Rororo. Rororo felt as though it were being smashed by countless iron hammers. It hurt so much that it could no longer think. Rororo’s legs seized up, signalling to the rest of the creature that it should stop moving forward. However- However - was that really enough to make Rororo stop? -No. It did not stop. Rororo continued advancing. Its pace had slowed. Its muscles were burnt and stiff, and it could not continue running at its usual pace. It suffered with every step it took. It was difficult to breathe. Just drawing breath was hard. Perhaps its lungs had been seared. Even so, it did not stop. Now, only one of its heads could still move. The other motionless heads were little more than dead weight. The sight of the undead creature conjuring another fireball in its hand was a blurred scene in Rororo’s cloudy vision. Its animal instincts allowed it to realize something. If it took another hit, it would die. However, Rororo was not afraid. Without stopping, without ceasing, it forged bravely ahead- This was a request from its father, mother, and friend. Therefore it would never stop. Just as Rororo desperately - and tiredly - dragged itself forward, a crimson ball of fire flew forth once more from an undead hand. It soared through the air and headed straight for Rororo. There was no doubt that this last attack would consume Rororo in flames. It was an undeniable fact. It would die. It would be the end of everything. However- Indeed - that was only if the aforementioned Lizardman did not step in. How could he watch Rororo die before him? How could he permit such an injustice to take place? That was impossible- “-「Icy Burst」!” Zaryusu shouted as he leapt from behind Rororo, swinging Frost Pain as he ran beside it. The air before the swing froze in an instant, forming a wall of white mist. This was a gout of supercooled air; the frozen wind of Frost Pain. That was one of Frost Pain’s abilities. That was a special move which could only be used three times a day - 「Icy Burst」. It snap-froze everything in an area in front of it and caused massive damage. The wall of frozen fog was solid, and it blocked the oncoming 「Fireball」. The orb of ardent flame met the wall of chill mist - by the laws of magic, allowing them to collide was the wisest choice. It hit- The scorching flames burst forth, warring with the frozen mist of ivory. It seemed as though two serpents, one white and one red, were trying to consume each other. After a moment’s resistance, both powers vanished. The undead creature was shocked, and its surprise showed on its face. That was a natural reaction to seeing the dissipation of the spell it had discharged. There was still some distance between both parties. However, they could already see each others’ faces - and movements. Rororo’s effort and determination had crossed the seemingly untraversable distance between them and brought the three of them unharmed to this place. “Rororo…” Zaryusu choked up. In the end, Zaryusu picked the most appropriate words he could think of from his vocabulary - a simple, easily understood phrase. “Thank you!” As he left those shouted thanks with Rororo, Zaryusu charged forward without looking back, trailed by Zenberu and Crusch. An almost inaudible croak answered him. It was the sound of encouragement for its kin.
Remember to ainz the guardians were all just NPC's that had set commands and were basically robots but after being transported they are now living beings that can think for themselves which is pretty much what Demiurge was saying to Cocytus
remember that guy that got killed by meares staff cos he tagged along momonga to fight shaltear? that guy turned into the elder leech you see fight the lizards at the end here
This was to test the upper limit of lizardmen strength, so you basically need to loose but almost win. You dont want to overwhelm them, but should make it as hard as possible without destroying them
I think showing the lizard men's side is making it really good. It makes you realize that there is always another side to the story. Btw, nice catch on the maid wearing a mask.
Zenberu's tribe owns a magic item that produces an infinite amount of low quality booze. It, like Zaryusu's Frost Pain, is one of the treasures of the Lizardmen race. 11:53: The bone armor worn by the chief of the Razor Tail tribe is another of the Lizardmen's magical treasures. It grans incredible defense, but at the cost of permanently decreasing the wearer's intelligence.
Though, in overlord the name may be a more direct reference to Cocytus in Dante's inferno, the frozen circle of Hell, which punishes treachery. Hence, he's a big demon with ice powers, but defined by his loyalty and honor.
He could only use that ice effect three times a day, that's why they still needed the hydra. Also he said he could do this all day to stop the lich from using fireballs.
@@AnoranAlpenthorn season 2 is where the mass kidnappings of children, women and men for forced breeding and experimentation occurs, though that's happening in the background, because the climax is just a distraction for it to occur.
17:40 - If you want battles and warfare then you should watch Kingdom anime. They use a lot of tactics in that anime since it's about the warring kingdoms of China
The only comment i can make when it comes to this series, never get attached to any character, anything can happen, whether it happen in the long or short term, you never know. but it all plays to the bigger picture
The Elder Lich, Iguva=41, was created using the corpse of Igvarge, the mithril class adventurer who insisted on accompanying "Momon" and "Nabe" to confront the vampire "Honyopenyoko".
As you have seen way more now of Overlord here some additional clarifications of the "Levels" of the characters involved in this Episode. As it was already established by other commenters: Ainz and the Floor Guardians are all lvl100, except Victim (not important here). Hamusuke (Hamster) is about lvl30 and considered very strong in this world in general. The Death Knight Ainz summmoned in Carne Village that made Sushi out of the Sunlight Scripture is ~lvl40 with focus on defense. Iguva (Elder Lich) is lvl22 and the Lizard-Chiefs are about lvl 17 - 20. Most difficulties there are with understanding lore or connections (levels, power, etc.) are due to the Anime skipping internal dialogues, flashbacks, dialogues etc. and are pretty clear in the Novels or are at least explained at some point so you're not left with open ends. Also a difference in a few levels makes a huge impact as you can see with iguva and the chiefs, especially if a caster can nuke you down from distance (open terrain).
Cocytus (as pronounced in the show as a name Koh-Kyu-Tohs) is the name of an underworld river of the death where the frost hell is... In dante's divine comedy a frozen lake in one of the circles of hell...
Cocytus' final line "Nicely done, but it truly was a close one." is actually an inacurate translation. Basically he was saying "They are impressive, but it's a pitty (that they are destined to be killed by Nazarick anyway)." Nazarick is attacking the lizard men only because they want non-human corpses for Ains to summon higher-level undeads. BTW, the Elder Lich was named Igva, and the adventurer Ains killed earlier was named Igvald...🤔
Clash of Clans 101😂😂😂a Barbarian army followed up by a Wizard 31:53 no it's not,that's exactly what happened in the 4th season,we suddenly turned to falco and the others in marly for the first couple of episodes just for them to get attacked by eren and the others.
He also has Inguvach's voice actor and jawline, and the mangled side of his head is the side where Mare beat him with her staff. This makes sense also, becasue Ainz wanted to gather the bodies of higher level adventurers for his undead experiments, as low level enemies could only make middle tier undead.
Luke Imma remind you that they told you at the end of Season 1 that they want the Lizard men for experimenting in making higher level undead because human corpses can only make undead that are level 40 and below so they want alot of corpses of different races to experiment. And other reasons that you will find out
Well, that was an elite squad and not an actual army. How many people were there? 40 or so? And they showed them clashing with Gazeff's squad right before Ainz teleported there. So there was a battle that one side lost already. It'd be redundant if Ainz threw at them some zombies and skeletons after that.
@med2904 more like 100 not including angels, they had the village surrounded but the main forces were where Gazef went. Also was mostly just pointing out that when Ainz gets involved it ends abruptly lol
she is an entomancer - the maid u were wanting more info on why her face doesnt move. Also - the endings start containing more details in several episodes this season. Keep an eye out.
Ainz wants to use the corpses of the lizard men to try and make undead soldiers that are more powerful than those made with hummans also as they like other demihumans often kill hummans (sometimes eating them) he sees them as something between NPCs and monsters removing his moral concerns. On top of that as they are isolated they do not have allies who would seek vengeces for the lizzard men against Ainz. Also additional reasons that will be explained in the future.
Cyclop = Cocytus. The Elder Lich (Iguva) was made from the body of the leader of those Mythril adventurers that Ainz killed when they went to Shalltear's location. Zaryushu said he would dispel all the fireballs, but he can only use ''Icy Burst'' 3 times per day. So it was a bluff that ended up working for them. Lots of details skipped from LN about how intricate the fight was, details on the Hydra Rororo, etc. Like you saw, Demiurge implied that maybe the reason Cocytus was given such a low level undead army and was forbidden to take action, was to test him in some way. The NPCs only know the data that was put into their flavor text in-game. Sometimes, they can lack in strategy or experience. That's how Ainz won against Shalltear & the Lizardmen won against Cocytus's undead army.
Ainz wants them to be able to learn and adapt on their own and truly be their own people. Demiurge was actually 110% right in what he told Cocytus. In the novels, he feels bad for them being bound to their settings, and want them to be able to evolve beyond those initial programmings now that they are sapient/sentient. He thinks of them as the children of his dear friends, and is trying to be the adoptive parent that helps them grow into their own.
Interesting fact: Zaryusu lied. He could only use Ice Burst a few times a day, while Iguva could keep shooting Fire Balls. He said he could keep defending to force Iguva on stopping using Fire Balls since they were more damaging in area of effect. This shows how smart he is in a battle, given false information to the enemy to take advantage of him.
As I see it this skirmish is a training exercise to work out the movement of Nazarrick's forces. You have to remember they are no longer in a game as such combat is now different same for wars. Ainz needs to know how to command and execute a skirmish if he is to stay in the world. Another point is the character descriptions of each of the floor guardians and other npcs they created. Each individual is crafted expertly especially the floor guardians, and do remember Momonga did edit Albedo's character description when he thought that the servers were closing down for good. "And is in love with Momonga" If I recall correctly, Momonga not Ainz.
27:04 hahaha when ever you say something like that I get excited to see your reaction when you'll know what is really going to happen, I just finished re-watching overlord then entered RU-vid only to find one of videos reacting to overlord at the top of my suggested videos, then I said to my self yep why not rewatch it again but this time through this guy's videos
zaryusu uses his cunning to fake out the elder litch. frost sword has 3 uses of icy burst, and he challenges the litch to use fireball as many times as he wants. this is the difference between massive op npcs vs legit warriors
I know Luke already know this, but there was a different reason for this war, not just an experiment of creating higher level undead. Demiurge will be explaining that later on. And as always "Sasuga Ainz Sama".
16:55 well, what do I say, you will love the war in third season that is quite literarly 60 000 vs 260 000 strong armies also, the place we see Demiurge at is by the community reffered to as Demiurge's Happy Farm, try looking it up, it's awsome place
“Attack on Titan is a bad example” Yeah. Yeah it is lol. The thing about main characters though. Season 2 of overlord is sort of made an entirely new anime where the lizard people are the MCs. It’s from their perspective. Mostly. And it’s a genius idea! After the amazing first season, it would be too anticlimactic to then show us Ainz’s forces steamrolling some lizards we’ve never met. The world building is great.
When you rereact to the openings of overlord, react to the english versions too, Amalee who is the white lizard girls english VA covers several of them Also that bone armor covered lizard man is actually the most intelligent one there, but he put on cursed armor to protect his tribe that drained his intelligence. Also also, "HOW'S THE BABY MAKING!"
If you want a good anime for battles you should add Kingdom to your list. First few seasons are rough on the animation front but the wars and battles are awesome
Definitely relate to what you said about armies in anime, small fry are just too small in majority of them. What's the point of having trained soldiers when any named character regardless of their strength is stronger than the average soldier
if you like battles and huge armies I recommend you to watch anime kingdom.. the problem with it the first season is drawn using bad CGI but the later seasons are very good
This is the 3rd episode in a row you have been like “wait are we the baddies?” And the answer is yes The Tomb of Nazarick and its inhabitants are all Monster Species and evil by default like LITERALLY if you pull of a D&D alignment chart they are all Evil something like some are Evil/Evil or how in Sebas (the butler) his case he is Evil/Lawful always willing to save people but only if it benefits his overlord Also that Lizard man has one hand and such bigger because his other hand was harmed when he fought the previous user of Frost Pain that blue sword icicle thing so it shrunk and then as he trained and trained his other hand become his dominant hand and striking power while the other was just a hand for every day use
A lot of Overlord is not about the overpowered dndead overlord. Why? Because overpowered protagonists are fairly boring (yes you can do interesting things with it, but it is much more limiting). What Overlord does that is more interesting is it introduces an overwhelming force to a world, and you see a lot more of the world's reaction to this overwhelming force. It is not Ains' struggles you get invested in, but all the normal people's struggle against this overwhelming force. Sometimes they will overcome the trial, and sometimes they won't.
Since we are getting into the Lizardmen-Cocytus arc, its probably a good time to introduce Yggdrasil Karma Values. All NPCs had Karma values from -500 to +500. Since they were transported tot he new world and are no longer game NPCs those Karma values can be said to represent their personality alignment towards good or evil. Nazarick, of course, has mostly negative karma values, and so mostly evil characters, but that isn't to say they don't have any neutral or good moral chatacters. Cocytus has a Karma of +50. This means his moral alignment is neutral-leaning-good, but also means he doesn't feel that strongly morally. He really doesn't like Demiurge, for example, because Demiurge has a -500 completely evil Karma, and acts accordingly. Instead, like a Samurai, he has a strong sense of honour, appreciation of warrior spirit and martial skill, and values duty and accepting orders unthinkingly. To relate this to the current episode, that is why at the very end Cocytus praises the Lizardmen's fighting performance as warriors despite losing (and despite noting it was really close), because he genuinely respects what they did. And one of the reasons Ainz made Cocytus a rear-commander is because he knows how Cocytus simply accepts orders and puts no independent thought, so this is partially a test to see whether NPC's can grow outside what they used to be. If you are curious as to where the other main Floor Guardian figures stand with Karma values... In order to most evil to most good. Demiurge -500. Albedo -500 Shalltear -450 Aura -100 Mare -100 Cocytus +50 Sebas +300
Man, you have to understand we are not the bad guys it is everyone else's fault for existing in the same world as ainz, so they need to be punished and used as he sees fit nothing personal
Oh, do you remember those adventurer guys Mare played melon splitting with in episode 11 of season 1? This Elder Lich is one of them, the rest of the bodies are stored in the Frozen Prison, which is at floor 5 of Nazarick awaiting their turn. *EDIT: Change to adventurers from my previously wrong assumption of it being ove of the Sunlight Scripture guys.
@@redohealer2 I believe it was partially hinted, partially confirmed by Demiurge during his talk with Albedo, but it's over two years since I read volumes 3 and 4 so it might be little off, but Nigun going Ice Sculpture as number 1 was confirmed in the second volume
Fake, Ningun disintegrated during the interrogation (Theocracy's security measure) and the Lich that attacks the village is the adventurer whose head Mare crushed in season 1.
Root for the lizardmen, because they are awesome. And the underdogs in this fight. For the next episode, watch it until it stops playing. There's content all the way to the end. Some reaction people somehow miss the last bit, and it's frustrating.
Human corpses make Death Knights of up to lvl 40. Lizardmen corpses make stronger ones, supposedly. The initial goal is to make a stronger army for Nazarick.
You keep saying cyclops, are you referring to Cocytus, named after the frozen lake of hell from Dante's Inferno? He's a bug with many eyes, the exact opposite of a cyclops.
Yeah, that would be so weird to see an amazing character development, root for them and then see them obliterated by Nazarick, haha, hope it never happens in future... right? ^^' RIGHT?!
Oh vinland saga got non magical battles alright. i didn't watch the anime, but i read the manga up until the baltic sea arc. There's some amazing battles as well as amazing duels.
Kill la Kill... Danganronpa... are some examples for finishing off characters.. won't go too much into detail. Eureka Seven, Egao no Daika, Ishura (currently airing), actually Boku no Hero Academia has as well... or more over a lot of Anime does if you think about how the story at times also switches to the enemy side for you to experience how and whats. Heck even Pokémon had episodes where we were just only following Team Rocket and not Ash xD
Not gonna point out what it was that you said here because spoilers but maaaan you are bloody good at predicting things sometimes, even if you say them jokingly.
The Lizard Man Heroes arc is such a feel-good time compared to the next chor The Men of the Kingdom. Lizardfolk have a Neutral alignment, but Humans can be Evil. Many of the The Men of the Kingdom do not treat the women of The Kingdom the way they ought to be treated.
People like to say nazarick are the baddies but honestly I think that is short sighted. I think just like reality most countries have their hands coated in blood but also do good things. The reality is there is a lot of gray in reality and overlord. When they show the not nazarick perspective it makes it so much easier to empathize but people like to forget or ignore things the other side did wrong as they are currently victims. It isn't just bad guys vs good guys ever really. It is just us vs them and the reality is both sides are gray of varying shades of which some characters you may empathize more or less with.
