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Zoning Rules Can Keep People in Bad Neighborhoods 

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We’ve talked about how housing is important for health. We’ve talked about how we can improve access to housing through stimulation of production through the LIHTC. We’ve talked about how we can improve access through vouchers and mobility programs. There’s one more thing we’d like to discuss: Inclusionary zoning. Zoning rules are important for making neighborhoods and municipalities function smoothly, but they can also be written in ways that keep low-income residents from moving to certain neighborhoods.
David Tuller, a lecturer in UC Berkeley's School of Public Health and Graduate School of Journalism, wrote about this recently in a policy brief at Health Affairs. It’s also the topic of this week’s HCT.
Resources used in the making of this episode:
-Housing And Health: The Role Of Inclusionary Zoning: tinyurl.com/y394twp3
-The Effects of Inclusionary Zoning on Local Housing Markets: Lessons from the San Francisco, Washington DC and Suburban Boston Areas: tinyurl.com/y2yomfls
-Inclusionary Housing in the United States: Prevalence, Impact, and Practices: tinyurl.com/y53den78
-Silver Bullet or Trojan Horse? The Effects of Inclusionary Zoning on Local Housing Markets: tinyurl.com/yysghq6b
-Is Inclusionary Zoning Inclusionary?: tinyurl.com/yxbn958h
-Community Land Trusts (CLTs): tinyurl.com/y5lu4jyp
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@vickymc9695
@vickymc9695 5 лет назад
Inclusionary zoning is the reason I have my home. My council required that 6 out of the 27 new flats, built by the housing association, had to be disabled housing. The whole block is for low income residents to have a permanent home. :)
@eugenetswong
@eugenetswong 5 лет назад
The ideas discussed in the video make me uncomfortable, but I think that there is merit in the context of handicapped housing and seniors housing.
@vickymc9695
@vickymc9695 5 лет назад
@@eugenetswong Well most private landlords can't, or won't make their properties disabled adapted, or OAP adapted. So social housing can be the only option for us. (Some letting agents refuse to let to anyone with mobility issues, even though it's against the law to do so. They know you can't take them to court while you're homeless). But because of this there are long waiting list, and alot of people are either homeless, sent into care, or trapped in unsuitable housing. More of these types of programs can mean more people can live independently, and have better health, because of using less energy on day to day tasks. (Eg being able to cook for themselves safely, instead of having to rely on microwave meals).
@eugenetswong
@eugenetswong 5 лет назад
@@vickymc9695 if you don't mind me asking: have you lived in social housing, and if so, then are you allowed to cook anything?
@D4PPZ456
@D4PPZ456 5 лет назад
While a great idea, inclusionary housing doesn't take into account that house building is disincentivized in our economy due to natural market functions and terrible zoning laws, which were in themselves created as a means of enforcing segregation in many cases. There has been a conscious effort by city planners to ensure that there are alotted spaces that serve specific purposes, such as areas only for housing, areas only for commercial buildings, as well as areas for general shops. This division, as well as some restrictions on minimum single-family residence size and height maximum make the spaces we use really inefficient, driving up costs and maximizing the negative effects of gentrification. Countries like Japan have already solved this problem. They use a "mixed-use" planning approach discussed by Jane Jacobs to better integrate spaces so that there is a much larger supply of spaces for which to build houses, greater proximity to the workplace and other conveniences without the use of a car, as well as a positive effect on the reported community satisfaction and lowering of the crime rate. The most inclusionary city planning system must first begin with a city that the majority of the population can afford to live in, otherwise you are just manufacturing second class citizenry with every affordable house you build.
@lightbox617
@lightbox617 5 лет назад
We are having this argument right now in Newark, NJ. Apparently, the City has not figured out how to enforce this plan adopted in 2015. In Newark, the Arts community, at least the part that worked "downtown" was signal to increasing the price per sq in downtown buildings. Now, the artists are getting pushed out. A recent proposal to build 250 market rate units in the Northern Central ward has a developer that simply plans to ignore the "rules" for the 20% set aside. My personal project for the next two years is to attend every City council and Planning Board meeting and spend my allotted 5 minutes asking the city Fathers to stay the course.
@CG_Hali
@CG_Hali 5 лет назад
Thanks for talking about important issues, Aaron.
@tessat338
@tessat338 5 лет назад
Inclusionary zoning is what makes my part of Montgomery County, Maryland so livable. We have a large variety of housing in all income levels from apartment buildings that can accommodate young singles but also others that can accommodate families with multiple children (3 & 4 bedrooms). There are townhouse communities right next to developments with moderate to multi-million dollar stand-alone houses. It means that workers can live reasonably close to their jobs but also have access to our pretty decent public transportation Metro system. The young and upwardly mobile attract trendy retail and grocery stores, which benefit everyone. Aspirational parents from all over the world come here to get their kids into our excellent schools. Magnet schools attract kids into less immediately desirable neighborhoods. The proximity to Washington DC means that many neighborhoods are transitioning to more expensive housing which boosts our tax base.
@christianlibertarian5488
@christianlibertarian5488 4 года назад
Come off it. It is the Federal government, and the money it sucks from the rest of the country, that makes Virginia "so livable."
@nab-rk4ob
@nab-rk4ob 5 лет назад
Central NJ up through NYC is one of those places where rent/mortgage over $1000 is not uncommon. Affordable housing is anything below that where you can still be saving 1/2 of your paycheck to pay your rent. That's what I did in the 90s and I felt thankful.
@elektrikhd
@elektrikhd 5 лет назад
As a long-time New Jersey resident (all of my adult life), we still have a long way to go here. There are way too many loopholes in the way things are set up. Most of the affordable housing (admittedly not sure what program it's under) is made for seniors or "active adults," i.e. 65 & up or 55 & up communities, sometimes (yes, only sometimes) with exceptions granted to people with disabilities (and usually you have to be on SSD, that is found disabled by Social Security, so good luck with that). Why? It's the NIMBY problem. In the more well-off counties and townships, residents get upset about "low income people" moving in, and fuss about property values and crime (even though most of this is overblown or unfounded, and it's not uncommon that these complaints are actually rooted in racism). If it's the elderly, they're ok with it--it could even be their own mom & dad. Additionally, townships (and maybe counties as well) can buy and sell affordable housing allotments (although I do think there is a limitation on that). So, well-to-do Cherry Hill Township (near where I attended college) may decide they'd rather pay the City of Camden to pick up some of their affordable housing burden, and Camden has so many budget troubles, it's glad for the funding. Cherry Hill may even come out ahead because high end retail or upper-class housing goes in, instead of affordable housing, giving the township more tax revenue than what they spend in reducing their affordable housing requirement, and the residents are happy because they don't have to let in any "poor people" (although I'm sure they phrase it in a more polite way). In the past few years however, I have seen some legit low-income housing developments in areas that I think normally would have opposed them. These are not the housing projects of the past--these are nice looking places with some community ammenities, and rents typically determined as a percentage of income with concessions to family size. Nicer looking than a lot of the senior housing, in fact. I'm hopeful that this model will be successful and take off.
@shh5440
@shh5440 8 месяцев назад
Trying to force builders to include "affordable housing....which is questionable" only drives them away unless there is a huge bribe involved.
@christianlibertarian5488
@christianlibertarian5488 4 года назад
The best low cost housing program is a good freeway. This effectively increases supply, thus dropping price.
@SaucerJess
@SaucerJess 5 лет назад
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@Waldohasaskit210
@Waldohasaskit210 5 лет назад
I think I'd rather look at de-NIMBYfication before I looked at expensive tax credits.
@DK12322
@DK12322 5 лет назад
Inclusionary zoning does nothing to increase accessibility to services if it’s kept in low income areas. This is the issue we have in Toronto (I’m in Urban Planning). It’s better to reduce regulations and encourage greater supply overall especially creating density around transit stations. Ideally you spread co-ops and rental stock throughout a city not in a few neighbourhoods
@davidhefner5668
@davidhefner5668 4 года назад
Inclusionary zoning.....leads to lack of zoning enforcement....leads to decreased home value.
@sneakerbabeful
@sneakerbabeful 3 года назад
"Home value" only matters if you plan on selling your home.
@adventurerneil
@adventurerneil 5 лет назад
John got a haircut!
@Datrde
@Datrde 3 года назад
I thought it was a healthcare channel
@zerphase
@zerphase 5 лет назад
Dallas Texas does it right. There are almost no zoning laws there. If you're neighbor puts an ugly building up you have to move.
@zerphase
@zerphase 5 лет назад
In Chicago there was a housing project started by a factory owner so his workers would work more efficiently. The poor have to live by where they work for the best outcomes.
@christianlibertarian5488
@christianlibertarian5488 4 года назад
I will add, that I'm not buyin' this line of bratwurst. Racine, Wisconsin, is the cheapest place to live in *the world,* not just the US. Pack up and move to Wisconsin if you want affordable housing. Otherwise, you are blowing smoke.
@davidhefner5668
@davidhefner5668 4 года назад
The home owners in the neighborhood should be the ones to determine whether it to be inclusionary or exclusionary.
@infantebenji
@infantebenji 2 года назад
Hell No it should be the city council
@Quagthistle
@Quagthistle 5 лет назад
As someone who is fortunate enough to live in a high-income area, I understand the need for inclusionary zoning, but I also see the opposite side of the issue. Low income housing brings one thing me and my neighbors do NOT want: noise. So, so much noise! From the tub-thumping boom-boom music that makes your ears want to bleed to screaming, inconsiderate, poorly-supervised kids and from loud "arguments"/fights/guns to jalopy cars that backfire and/or lack mufflers (because, apparently, around here it's cool, if you're poor, to have a really, REALLY loud truck). These issues are very prevalent on the south side of town (the poorer area), and people on the north side of town paid up to FIVE times what it costs to buy a house on the south side just to avoid these issues (as well as drug-dealing, public drunkeness, and ridiculous populations of stray animals, mainly caused by irresponcible pet ownership). On the one hand, I want to see more people have the priviledges of living in a quiet up-scale neighborhood, but old habits tend to die hard and these neighbors overwhelmingly seem to bring trouble and noise with them, which none of us appreciate. (Furthermore, it's very difficult for low-income families to afford to keep up the larger lawns on this side of town, as even the most basic of landscaping can easily cost over $1,000 a year, and city codes reguarding weeds, which tend to only be enforced on the north side of town, would heavily penalize a family up here who couldn't afford to do their lawn. We don't mind the selective enforcement, though, as our side of town looks like a gorgeous park dotted with lovely houses, which we appreciate, and that can only happen when people are required to keep their lawns up.) Now, if they zoned the town by noise levels and prohibited noise levels above a certain amount at ANY time of day, then we'd be talking. However, doing so would effectively ban children (especially the low-income children around here who tend to be used to less stringent noise requirements) from certain neighborhoods, anyway. In short, I think there'd be a lot less NIMBY-ism is the concerns of residents were better addressed, but those of us who have seen the failed attempts in the past to make inclusive zoning have seen the dissmissive attitude people in charge adopt toward terrible noise-polluting neighbors, and not all of us have the health to deal with being woke up all day long by rowdy kids and noisy neighbors. That said, I'm sure there are low-income people who don't have noisy kids and loud, inconsiderate boyfriends. It's just that those of us who live on the "peaceful" side of town have no way to know who those people are and ensure that only they move into our 'hood.
@eugenetswong
@eugenetswong 5 лет назад
I agree. I doubt Healthcare Triage will ever address the health concerns of the middle class or rich, when the poor move into the neighbourhood. After a long day of work, 1 of the last things that I want to deal with are bad neighbours.
@mkbcoolman
@mkbcoolman 5 лет назад
This entire reply makes me very uncomfortable. But mostly because it's 100% true. I live in a high-income area...mostly 1 acre plots with custom homes and very strict landscaping requirements. I chose to live here because I can afford it, and I want to live in an area with low noise and beautiful landscaping. So yeah I'm full on nimby...I just hate the connotation that it's a prejudice against low-income or minority groups. Maybe it is at some level...I dunno The interesting thing about my neighborhood is that we live in an area south of Dallas that is VERY racially diverse (about a 40/40/15/5 split between Black/White/Asian/Hispanic, respectively), and the minority members of my community are the most vocal at HOA meetings.
@stringX90
@stringX90 5 лет назад
Why should developers be required to build a type of housing that they don't want to build? Why don't we focus on the regulations that make housing expensive to build in the first place?
@elektrikhd
@elektrikhd 5 лет назад
They're not, generally. He mentioned that New Jersey has the largest amount of this inclusionary housing, and there are PLENTY of luxury condos and McMansion neighborhoods still being made. I can guarantee that NONE of those units are affordable, not even for the median income.
@stringX90
@stringX90 5 лет назад
@@elektrikhd Here's the root of my question: Why is it not profitable to build "inclusionary housing", and how can we make it more profitable?
@knewledge8626
@knewledge8626 5 лет назад
Poor people need a place to live. If you are a contractor, you can sell one really nice house for $10 profit or 10 cheap houses for a dollar profit each. You have to deal with 10 times as many people and you have ten times the liability risk in case the house burns down or falls over in an earthquake. Developers don't tend to do that voluntarily.
@ChrisHarings
@ChrisHarings 5 лет назад
It's not that it's unprofitable. It's that it is so much more profitable to make expensive and overly embellished housing. Builders want to *maximize* profit and minimize costs. If a builder had the choice to spend $5 to make $50 or $5000 to make $50000, what do you think they'd take?
@DevotedpupaVODs
@DevotedpupaVODs 5 лет назад
Our we could provide free housing. For gods sake
@crysanthiumvega
@crysanthiumvega 5 лет назад
We should probably work towards a ubi before then, then focus on becoming a post scarcity society
@BobbyRouse
@BobbyRouse 5 лет назад
OK so apparently the only way to fix poverty is more government. Here I thought maybe, just maybe, you would discuss how overarching zoning practices have restricted the housing supply and kept certain racial and economic groups from affording housing. NOPE. "Government needs to mess with the economy even more!! When government creates a problem, the only solution is more government!" As I said in a previous video, I'm glad you largely are not partisan in your message, but it would be nice if just once you would explore how smaller government has been a benefit to literally anything.
@andrewshirley9240
@andrewshirley9240 5 лет назад
That's literally what this video is. "Inclusive zoning" is the ability for free market to decide when and where something gets built, rather than people who don't own the land saying "No, you can't build housing on this land!" And the video points out that at zero cost to taxpayers, there was an increase in affordable housing comparable to ~10% of the increase seen in the plans that actually had a cost. The only "cost" is that existing developments may see a drop in property value because of the increased supply, and to that I say, tough luck. If you treat your property as an investment, then you should understand the risks investment has. He just added a note at the end that free market solutions aren't the end-all be-all. It can be the sensible first line of attack in a sensible economy, but when the economy tanks, it's good to have a little bit of a safety net back-up plan rather than mass homelessness.
@tomtrask_YT
@tomtrask_YT 5 лет назад
We have the third largest population on the planet. There's no reason for us to try to match the government size of the 100th largest country. Yes, government can solve problems.
@ThePurpleclone
@ThePurpleclone 5 лет назад
"I don't actually know why government is bad, so can you make a video telling me I'm right? K thanks" Libertarians are the worst lmao
@Arthur-nb7pv
@Arthur-nb7pv 5 лет назад
@@andrewshirley9240 >The only "cost" is that existing developments may see a drop in property value because of the increased supply, That is not accurate. Forcing developers to take a loss on some portion of their housing units works like a per-unit tax on housing supply, reducing the construction of new housing from what it would be otherwise. The burden of such a policy falls not just on developers in the form of lost income from forgone development, but also on consumers in the form of higher prices for market rate housing as a result of diminished supply.
@Liliphant_
@Liliphant_ 5 лет назад
Listen to the bit after 2:58
@jesuschristusnumberonefan
@jesuschristusnumberonefan 5 лет назад
bad neighbors make bad neighborhoods. bad neighbors dont become good neighbors if you put them in a good neighborhood. you just get all the good neighbors to stay inside more and to buy better locks. if having lots of poor people together makes a bad neighborhood why would they suddenly behave differently just because their neighbor has a Swimmingpool? also school funding does not impact student performance beyond a very basic amount do you know what does? the iq of the students a 115 iq kid will do good weather his books cost 5 dollars or a hundred or nothing at all and he just uses what he can find online on his 20$ laptop a 85 iq kid wont do well in certain subjects, no matter how much money you spend on him.
@AkamirNN
@AkamirNN 5 лет назад
Your name/handle versus what you preach is certainly interesting.
@BooleanDev
@BooleanDev 5 лет назад
@@AkamirNN he's not wrong tho
@useodyseeorbitchute9450
@useodyseeorbitchute9450 5 лет назад
​@@AkamirNN Well, Jesus insisted on telling the truth. As in this case the truth is a bit nasty, do you expect him to say some nice lie instead?
@Argacyan
@Argacyan 5 лет назад
Sry, but the nasty truth is that "bad neighbors make bad neighborhoods" is a 5th grader level of understanding that leaves out barely basic factors such as policing or jobs.
@DanielkaElliott
@DanielkaElliott 5 лет назад
Having large areas with a high concentration of poor people can make people feel hopeless. Poor areas often have less government money invested in them to keep the roads, parks, schools and infrastructure. Rich people as a demographic vote in higher numbers and politicians are generally upper class and self interested. This can lead to a vicious cycle. Food desserts too. Segregating people by income or whatever can be toxic and self perpetuating and leads to insular thinking and people getting involved in gangs and by extension more crime. Not to mention that workplaces generally have a range of jobs with different salaries and a more varied range of local housing would lower commute times. Because even if people live in far away from Each other in their own monotone places they'll often work in the same places. Poor people dont necessarily make poor neighbors. Usually a shit neighborhood has poor people because no one who can afford to live elsewhere wants to stay there and that leads to less investment in the area from the government and supermarkets and businesses don't like to open shops in rough areas. Also bad neighbors don't make bad neighborhoods. I'd much rather have neighbors who play their music loud and don't look after their garden than have the corner behind my house always smell of weed, everyone know about the drug dealer in the local park (if there is one), metal detectors at my school and have most my friends traumatised from witnessing a stabbing or shooting at some point in their lives.
@BooleanDev
@BooleanDev 5 лет назад
Sounds great until you realize that this will be expensive and all that money comes straight from taxes, which the average American will have to pay.
@fionafiona1146
@fionafiona1146 5 лет назад
So what? The average German and Swedish people are happy to pay much higher taxes than you, unless it's spend on the military that is.
@BooleanDev
@BooleanDev 5 лет назад
@@fionafiona1146 happy is a subjective term and can't be measured. Just because they are happy does not mean they are better off
@fionafiona1146
@fionafiona1146 5 лет назад
@@BooleanDev I pay about 2100€ for a bachelors degree (7terms) with no interest on the related loans and less than 110€ a month for social security and insurance, if that puts me in future high tax brackets that's worth it (for me and my government).
@BooleanDev
@BooleanDev 5 лет назад
@@fionafiona1146 do you have a full time job yet?
@Argacyan
@Argacyan 5 лет назад
Happiness can be measured, there's an international index if you want to look it up. People are also objectively better off with higher wages, better and wider health (and -care), more freedom, more rights, more justice, less corruption, ... idk how long I need to go with the list. Mind you I live over here while having relatives in the US.
@eugenetswong
@eugenetswong 5 лет назад
I hate the way that you slide text to the left. You get a down vote. What's the matter with you all? I assume that you are trying to distract us, so that we think or something? It only distracts me, and makes me crabby. Maybe slide right, and use numbered bullet points, or what ever they are called?
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