ZWIFT Mountain Bike Route and Steering: First Look // Ride-Through 

Next up from Wahoo: a trainer that throws you off the bike when you hit a root, called the Wahoo buckr

The smile on his face isn't due to Zwift. What you're witnessing is a road biker realizing how much more fun and interesting mountain biking is... hang loose, homies.

Next product from Wahoo a fan that throws mud in your face. Looking forward to bring my XC bike to the virtual trails.

Next video: How to build the angled lazy susan for steering

Zwift needs to release a full-blown replica of a bicycle with EVERYTHING incorporated: · Smart trainer · Steering sensor · Braking sensor

Time to buy shares in 'Lazy Susan's'. 😁 Great video as always. 👍🏽

Following your Kickr Bike videos and am close to pulling the trigger on buying one, but this makes me question that decision. Why buy the "ultimate training tool" if it's already not compatible with the newest feature of Zwift? You probably have the ear of Wahoo better than I -- are they saying anything about this?

Siiiick! *searches Ebay for Lazy Susan

WAHOO ENGINEERING PLEASE NOTE!!! Here is a great hack I will soon put on youtube. When I was trying to decide between Kickr Bike and wahoo trainer, I was planning to use Zwift, with a particular interest in riding their new MTB trail. However, I was worried about the fact that steering with smart phone running ZC (Zwift Companion) would only work with wahoo trainer. And as a MTBr I want to ride trails! (Repack ridge) But with an engineering and fabrication background I had a feeling there would be a no-harm Kickr bike hack I would come up with. And so I got the bike, and lo and behold there is! Create Moveable handle bars. I tested the concept by loosening the screws attaching stem to head set Post, applied some high viscosity lubricant, mounted the phone on handle bars with ZC running, and it works: handle bars move, and you can ride repack ridge and steer with Kickr Bike! I have since fabricated my own stem, headset assembly that does this more permanently-with no harm done to Kickr bike as I just swapped the parts. And, this “hack” works incredibly well. latency is not bad, and it really makes for great virtual mountain biking and a great workout. Also moving handle bars generally add to realism and decreases fatigue. So If Wahoo engineers are listening: Make an add on handle bar set with freely moving steering to pair with ZC with smart phone attached. Or better yet, use encoders in the head stem assembly and team up with Zwift for Kicker bike steering. In the meantime I’ll continue to use this mountain bike steering hack! It’s friggin awesome! Joe

@gplama can you do a quick video on your LazySusan set up/ how-to guide. - will be so doing this tonight when I get home...

Going by the way you were moving about there are going to be Zwifters lying on the floor next to their trainers all over the world!

Man I can't wait for them to put in some proper distance XC paths just like this for practicing MTB riding. Sharp, sudden, short climbs with drops and hard pedaling with soft pedaling, etc. My road bike friends don't understand why MTB is so hard, this video shows why. No constant cadence, no consistent gradient, nothing is smooth and steady about it. It's such good training.

Hoping the new wahoo bike allows some mechanism to turn the handlebars...maybe just slam it and don't tighten it?

How long till we have some Zwiftduro races when riders have to do their best time on different stages 🤩 Would be so fun! 🤘🏽

Love the fact you gave some people Ride Ons when you mounted your phone on the companion app.

Great fun and works really well with an old Tacx black track steering system 😁👍

neat hack for the front wheel steering

Wow!! That worked really well. Tried it with the Wahoo Climb and it was amazing. Steering needs a bit of power steering though with the Kickr Mat under it. Will have to put something under it to make the steering easier. That was fun!

Hopefully include a cyclocross bike and races 💪💪💪😂👍👍

Funny to see that the MTB has 3 aero stars.. Aero MTB? :D

trying to figure out how to get that angle onto a standard kitchen "lazy susan"

Update notes also say „Mission added for october“ and „achievements added for completing routes“ any infos about that?

So many RideOn that is looks like a giant Smurf if hammer fisting your head! Now to get a lazy Suzan to work with the Kick Climb!

How does it feel in terms of counter steering? ie at a certain speed, say above 10kph you actually turn slightly left with the bars and lean to the right to go right. It's interesting, and clever perhaps, that they have introduced this on mtb on a big climb where this sensation, or lack thereof, would be less obvious. I think they will struggle to emulate the realism when/if it's applied to the rest of the game. It's still a cool little feature either way, and good on them for trying!

Nice ride! And when comes the Elite Suito rewiew? It seems like that is what i´m buying to be my first smart trainer - weather is getting wet and cold in here ..! So all the best to Lama family from Finland !!

Today was supposed to be a recovery Ride. But now I have to get that Mountainbike ! Love it

Currently at wahoo HQ someone is searching for a hacksaw and a hinge.....

AWESOME! MORE COURSES! ...AND EBIKE SETTINGS! (Out of the seat? lol, mountain bike climbs can be brutal)

Wow !.. this really needs VR Glasses

I just delete the comments, sorry about that. I broke my clavicle 3 months ago riding my mtb. I got really excited about the idea of using zwift until I get back to the trails. After hours of research I could'nt find any useful information about the ftp estimative of this trainer. It was the better one that I could afford and I am really curious since I have never done a ftp test with a power metter. But I'm really sorry about the spam, I thought that my comments would just be there and maybe you would see them eventually. (And my English is bad, tried to explain myself)

Looks like Siri wanted to join in as well.

Hey llama, what model ‘lazy susan’ do you have? I’ll have a look at Bunnings. I agree that it needs to be on an angle. Thanks for the vid 😎

Looking forward to doing this after I am out of school

Rode the mountain bike circuit last night. Using Neo 1 and Apple TV. Updated to IOS13 and Zwift. Finished the circuit Ok but found when leaving and going downhill a high level of resistance.Tried exiting and resuming but that didn't;t help. Saved closed Zwift and reopened and tried another ride. The resistance was still there for the first couple of pedal rotations then went away. Ok now. Ticket with Zwift but no reply yet.Any idea or similar experience? Never had this happen before.

Will the kickr climb work on a lazy suzan/turn table or will be problems???

13:09 So funny, Shane goes "Steering whilst out of the saddle" and you can see the phone screen (with some lag/delay) going "Hey Siri lost in the saddle" !!!

I wasnt sure about this , but this video looks great . Well done Zwift .

JetBlack will have our new TurnBlock out by Christmas. We will have a Smart Version following shortly after. The Turn Block will solves your problems @Shane Miller

What level do you need to be to access the MTB route? I'm a new Zwifter who uses a MTB on my trainer and still pretty low level.

You needed the Kickr Bike for better gear ratios.

Thanks for the laugh. I love taking people on trails they have never seen and it’s a complete stitch up with epic vert.

you get to keep the mountain bike as a regular ride!?!?! I'm hooked!!! Ready to virtually wear down knobs on the pave'!!!

Lol this is so silly. I imagine it's very clumbsy without a braking feature

Need a steering pad that goes under the kickr climb.

Need a test with kicker climb and lazy Susan

haha thats so kwl, should keep one self awake during a long indoor session!

Not for me but very cool indeed.

they even get the bike head lamp bang on :)

Where do you get the pivot plate

that looks friggin awesome! cant wait to try it out. btw welcome to MTB riding where pinches are steeper but shorter :)

Shane! Patent that Lazy Susan design for indoor steering ASAP!

Nice. Kinda makes the new smart bikes look less smart though. I imagine the Kickr bike would be entertaining on the course but I believe the bars won't move? But the price tag of the bike makes that a non-issue for me ;)

I’m super addicted! It’s all I want to do today! 🤣

Lama, if you do another video for the new steering feature/MTB course (I think you alluded to a Kickr Climb attempt in another video), one thing that might be interesting to those of us that haven't attempted yet is a camera setup over your bars, sync'd with the video of the onscreen course navigation, just to give us a better sense of how much you are turning your bars to ride the course. Just a thought.

Would a Kirk Kinetic Riser Ring work with this? Even with a first gen Wahoo Kickr? Or would I damage my bike frame?

Nice, will try this out this evening and already ordered 'Lazy Suzans'. :)

I wonder how Tacx Road Feel is on the course. Could be pretty cool!

I tried it earlier today with the front wheel just on the floor. it was a little awkward, so I picked up a lazy susan swivel base from Lowes while running errands this afternoon. Will have to try that out later today or maybe tomorrow.

Looks ace x I’m giving it a go later x pity new kicker bike hasn’t a steer function however looks good . I’d love to try this on a group ride on the road 👍🏻👍🏻

Gday, Thanks for the turn by turn commentary on the MTB steering option and trail. Cheers!

It is so awesome great job to the team at zwift

I guess in races hiting the apex in corners and not hiting the wall plays a big role when they implement it

I did 9/10 stars and didnt became the mtb😭

The future of NICA HS MTB racing..no programmable manuals and jumping coming soon in 2025

Was running up and down that track yesterday. Asked me to stay on the road or go off right on a '?' Course with no picture. Decided to take the mystery course. Was the only one on it. Was a nice little tour of the mountain

Wonder it Wahoo Climb can work on the large enough lazy Susan.

Sorry that I can’t scroll all the comments to see if my point has been made, but there are so many! Good job! Sooooo I’m on rollers with the interactive feature (up to 5% incline). I kinda want to try the steering though it will be very risky and perhaps have comical results! Anyone try it? Maybe I should film that lol!

Shane in action, taking mountain bike route with road bike ;-) Nice, very, very nice :)

zwift recomend direct drive trainers how the Tacx Neo 2T and the Wahoo KICKR, other smart direct drive trainers can be used?, pasive direct drive how lemond trainer can be used with zwift offroad , with power meter pedals?, thanks.

Haha really enjoyed watching that.... I wana try!

The gradient changes on the trail make this ideal for the Kickr Climb so really interested to see how it works with that. You don’t get much side to side movement on the bars with a Climb though so the actual steering itself might be a struggle. Chapeau to Zwift though, it looks awesome.

Didi not work for me. Using the same quad lock mount in the same position as the Lama, bike on a kinetic turntable ring, companion app running on an android phone paired with zwift, and still no steering. Zwift updated, obviously

For those who forked out big money for the Tacx Neo bike, you probably can never get the handlebar on that thing to turn. The Wahoo Kickr bike...perhaps.

How would you modify your set up with the kicker climb?

You can't ZWIFT mtb, juste game it 😉

why dont you go and hire a mtb and go for a real ride

Gotta Earn your Turns shane. Looks awesome though.

First-person view or seeing the heandle bars woul dbe way better.

WOW ! This is cool .

Now I've got an excuse to buy that mountain bike. Sweet!

I’ve just bought an Elite Sterzo and really enjoyed this but… is there literally only this one route after all this time???

Wow. have to give this a try! Looks very exciting! 😀

Extremely helpful, thanks!

Good video!

This is fucking awesome. Imagine the MTB races!

Another lap?? Good for you Lama!!

What if we don't want to do the turning ...can we still ride the old way?

i was able to "bounce" around the course. my steering would not work :/ maybe i need to try a different phone (using a samsung J5) - it was late; i may have to check the phone if the gyroscope was enable later on tonight - also; you see yourself on a MTB, but other riders appear to you riding their roadbike. (bug)

Shane that was the first time I've seen you sweat... A LOT! :) LOL Strong work!

Man just watching half of this footage I can tell my gearing is not gonna be sufficient to make me spin up these brutal climbs on my roadie, and worse still on the Neo since you cannot run long cage derailleurs with it 😬 On the plus side you get tons of surface ‘feel’ though 🤘

Hey lama, I tried this tonight and didn’t work for me…. Jetblack turn block,iPhone X, ZC app connected via wifi. trainer connected via Bluetooth. Using Apple TV 4K to run zwift..

I loved the ride. I did it using my Kickrclimb. Only issue was the steering wouldn’t recenter. If you have a lazy Susan type cheese board then you are half way there for creating your front wheel swivel

Whoa whoa whoa this already came out?!

Just ordered my turbo trainer cant wait to get on this

The best thing about indoor riding is not having to look where you're going. Steering on an indoor trainer is definitely not for me. Waiting for the next big thing.

I was dreaming about that for a long time. Next big thing would be to add XC WorldCup Courses to Zwift. After that invite Nino for a round and see how good you are on Zwift😆😆

Would it work with the KICKR Climb?

Shane is bald but his zwift avatar has more hair then ZZ Top. lol

Could I stick the phone to my head (on a helmet?) and steer by looking left and right? Any hacks for people without the suitable phone mount or lazy Susan front wheel plate? I have some Blutack and string for the phone.

Definitely worth trying! Brutal climbing! Damn! Also, how did you make that little rocker plate for the front wheel?? Any tips?