About the only thing holding me back at this point is the lack of adjustability in the cranks. Maybe V2 will pick that up especially as it looks like they’ll have to be custom.
I saw eric min on zwift today. Figured out who he was when he gave me a kudos for a joke i made (long story) I asked specifically for him to consider selling the shifters separately. One can hope lol
Can't decide whether this is fair value or over priced. Nice to have a dedicated set up but also you could save a chunk by using an actual bike on the trainer which you could then use outside. Will like seeing one down the bike shop when someone needs a new bottom bracket 😂 if the bike is available on its own it'll have to be cheap as again you could buy an actual bike to ride outside. But I guess it has its purpose.
@@gplama "It’s going to be for everyone." I think you left out a word :) Obviously, being Zwift-Only is significant limitation. The wireless shifters depend on the Zwift App to shift virtual gears. This means the bike - even with a different trainer attached - will work only with the Zwift app..
@@NotElvis Correct. I did. Fixed. (I replied while out on the roadside on a Sunday night testing more bike things... thankfully this wasn't the DURA, so the tests worked!)
Does or is the lower section of the front leg (The Black Part) have a join or is this just painted black? Thinking there's the potential, if there was a break, to add a bracket with with drops to allow fitting on to a climber device.
@@gplama why not something from a 5yo 🤔 Also it seems likely belt drive is a future option at least the impression I got from a comment by DCR when I said it looked possible
At this point, dumping on "press-fit" simply reveals ignorance, since the entire mechanical world runs on pressfit bearings. The trick here isn't the BB, those 6004 bearings are a very common size, it's the 20mm axle crank that's the trick to find
@@galenkehler who said I was dumping on pressfit? I love pressfit. Surprised a bicycle (even a trainer form) is using it in this day and age where almost all mainstream brands run away from it.
It seems like everything Zwift introduces is half thought out. Frame doesn't work with a climb, single length crank arms, non standard bottom bracket, Zwift only compatible shifting, etc.
Apart from the controls, how does it differ from a standard frame? You can only adjust your saddle so much, you can't change the crank length, you can even put it on the wahoo climb, so yeah. Damn
Lack of compatibility with other apps=deal breaker. If swift had the ability to ride real world courses like RGT used to I’d subscribe and quit all other apps
You tested stability by standing on the pedals at the bottom of its rotation. What about standing on the pedal at the top of its rotation? How about a full out sprint? The single foot at the front of this bike creates a triangle what doesn't look very stable when leaning forward. You have ridden other smart bikes with 4 legs. How does this bike compare?
It's a Kickr CORE when it comes to 'stability', for which I have no issue. People haven't been toppling off those since it was introduced back in 2018. You really need to be doing something wrong if it has happened. As mentioned in the video, the front right leg on the CORE could be extended with a custom hack if really needed.
Wouldn’t suprise me if “someone” quickly rips off those cranks as a template, and then makes them in the other lengths, to sell as a aftermarket option, of which there clearly will be a market for. That someone will make a tidy earning for their efforts too 💰💰💰
Zwifts needs to sell those shifters and we good to go from here on out!!!! Anyone that has a review unit that's going to turn into a clothes hanger please rip those shifters off and ship to me asap! 🤣
Thanks for the in-depth coverage! I like Zwift's virtual gearing/shifting and the idea of the Zwift ride, but not being locked into Zwift for non-erg rides.
>I like Zwift's virtual gearing/shifting and the idea of the Zwift ride, but not being locked into Zwift for non-erg rides. This bike *is* locked in Zwift for everything *except* erg rides in certain scenarios.
Good tear down and sec review!! Could the removable front foot be for future upgrade option? Maybe a foot with a pivot point to create a rocker plate motion. Also, that chain option going through the rear triangle rather than wrapping around it gives the potential for a belt drive to lower the maintenance even further.
Hi. I am trying to swap out the stock pedals to the clipless pedals, I purchased a set measuring 9/16. I took off the the stock pedals, when I tried putting the new pedals the threads are connecting. I tried both sides and no luck. Any ideas?
For the racers, we've seen Zwift race stipulations where X2 power measurements are need to ensure no cheating. Does this mean with the proprietary cranks either a Zwift-Wahoo crank colab will be needed or a spider/pedal based power meter will be needed too? Will the clearances around the Zwift cranks give allowances for a ring based power meter?
Hey Wifey, you know you always ask me for ideas for Fathers Day and I always say "I don't know, surprise me". Well, this year I know - get me the Zwift Frame.
Honestly, with all the information out there regarding the importance of crank length and that this is marketed for a more serious cyclist than a peloton user, the lack of adjustable cranks is a big miss.
My Zwift Ride was delivered, but with two left-side crank arms! So I can't mount pedals (or at least not a right one). Who knows how long it will take for this problem to be solved... :(
Thanks for the video. Wouldn’t it still be better find a cheap 16-speed bike and then buy the kickr core? Then you will still have a normal bike plus if you have problems it should be easier to fix.
Very cool. I am really considering this and I already run 170mm cranks! I have a mtb and gravel bike and for now i am popping the gravel bike on and off the kickr trainer I am borrowing so this solves the borrowed trainer problem and the bike swapping problem all at once.
Why not make the seatpost a rectangle/oval shape, then it could be reversed for greater for/aft saddle movement? That would also keep it perfectly aligned.
Silliest thing I've ever seen. Why not just buy a cheap bike and mount it? Also, why not a belt instead of a chain? And why isn't everything adjustable, crank length, bar width? I guess they somehow have to sell you the upgraded version.
Shane I love it. Perfect. Saves my road bike from salt and rust. Shifting is magic. Bike with trainer very reasonable. Wish I could use my tacx trainer but ok. Got one!!!
This is an interesting idea. I currently use my entry level road bike on my Wahoo trainer. Since I mainly use ergo mode, my setup works for me since I have another road bike that I use when riding outdoors. I am surprised they find a way for it to fit the Kickr Climb so riders could go up and down on the free rides in Zwift. I have the Climb and use it when I am not doing a training workout and don’t feel like riding outside.
From the day these came out I didn't understand why they don't just sell the bars with hoods/controllers and you can attach them to any bike. now even more so if you can just put the hoods on any handlebar. A lot of people already have dedicated trainer bikes and even if not you can buy a cheap frame, cranks, and chain for way less than $1,200. The only proprietary thing about this is the controller.
They already sell the Zwift Play controllers but maybe they will make these ones available too. Also need more trainers to support the Zwift protocol for virtual shifting.
Thanks for the informative vid as always Shane 👍🏻. Having used it, do you think it would be possible to retrofit a set of forks onto it to make it climb compatible? Which is something that zwift could have easily done in the original design (removable centre leg that slid up inside a fork design).
GP, if one already has a dedicated trainer bike and is considering an indoor upgrade, which would be a better option, this Zwift Ride or the Kickr Move? Or would saving up for the Kickr Bike/Shift be a better option than either of these?
Thanks for a great video, and thanks for the top tube width measure, i have a feeling that was just for me 😂😂😂 I'm a bit puzzled about all the super proprietary crank/BB parts, like they went a long way out of their way to make it difficult to change cranks.
Shane thank you for this super informative video. I have my Zwift Ride coming in a week and plan to see if I can attach the frame to the Zwift Move (with the frame locked out). I am guessing it should work. Keep up the great content!
After hooking up the Ride frame to my Zwift Move it works! I did notice some limitations regarding the handlebar functionality. For instance there is no option to shift Shimano or SRAM or anything else. That functionality resides in the KICKR Core. Looks like we will have to wait until a firmware is released to fully accommodate the play handlebars with the zwift Move
Shane, I am very interested in this but also very interested in the race mode. Is there any chatter about race mode coming to the kicker core with a firmware update? I sent an email to wahoo but they did not have much insight. Thanks
Great informational video! The crankset situation changed from 90% buying to 40-50%. Question. I understand it needs the Zwift app for shifting. Does it work without Zwift subscription?
Hi there! Are the cranks ''full alloy''? I have a disability making me need 100mm cranks. Thinking of just threading them, which could be a good plan in my case!
I dont see why zwift can't allow people to pick their own custom gearing with the zwift click. This shows they have the ability, so why can't I pick the gearing I have on my outdoor bike?
Inability to change to a different crank arm length is a deal breaker for me. Not that I was in the market, as I have a huge stable of bikes and a Wahoo Kickr, Climb, Fan…., but Zwift should address this shortcoming b
The flatter Zwift hoods look so much more comfortable than the Kickr Bike hoods with their tiny area to rest the palm...a major design fail by Wahoo on an otherwise solid product.
There appears to be a bolt on the upper portion of the front tube (in the back.) What is that for? Do you know if the Kickr Climb is still popular, or was it cool to try when it came out and has been forgotten by most people?
If my calculations are correct, the bearings are rated at 25,000kM or about 15,500 miles. If a person does an average of 41 miles daily, these bearings should be used up at the end of the year. Shane said the bearings were tested up to 25,000kM, not rated for only 25,000km.
@@jameshelm2847 I'd guess the biggest causes of failure on bottom brackets are contamination, bad alignment and then the forces put on it, rather than the number of times it rotates. Similar to the chain really, if you ride in winter, through mud or sand, do a lot of standing up straining on the pedals in low gears, or massive sprints, ride with a cross chain, change gears under load then your chain most likely won't last as long as someone with a clean, well lubricated chain who spins lightly on dry days. I guess people would think riding indoors is more like the latter than riding MTB trails, but you have to be wary of sweat. Equally though, the over obsessive drive chain cleaner probably wears out their parts faster than necessary.
@@michael1@michael1 You need to be wary of sweat, standing up, straining on the pedals in low gears, and massive sprints indoors as well. Isn't that what some of our training or racing involves?
@gplama thanks for the reply! I am hoping that guy on reddit makes that adjustable or different length crank arms. Thinking on buying this for my kid that is big on zwift.
While I ride 170mm my best cycling buddy rides 175mm, my brother rides 172.5mm and my wife rides 165mm. This fixed crank arm length with non-standard crank is an absolute swing and a miss.
Yeah, which means you should always question the idea stuff indoors (like bearings) will last longer. if there's any opportunity for sweat to get in them then they won't.
The bearings are pressed so I guess you mean the spindle itself? I’m not sure. If you could you’d then have issues with crank clearance and possible chainline issues.
Great video, as always! I can't help but wonder how this frame will work with other (non-Wahoo) trainers, e.g. TACX Neo 2T. I suppose you'd have to convert to a SS cog in the rear, but I don't know that I've seen that done yet. I'd love a video exploring what's feasible today and what's in the works for cross-compatibility. Thanks a ton!
Garmin/TACX will need to support the 'Zwift Protocol' for virtual shifting. The RIDE (non bundle) will likely ship with a COG that'll slide onto any Shimano HG freehub. What works today is the Kickr CORE, Kickr 6, Kickr MOVE, and Zwift HUB. That may change soon.... Eurobike is next week.
@@gplama looking forward to hearing what you learn. I still have a 2018(?) Kickr Core over in the corner of the Pain Cave, but my 2T is my #1 trainer. While on the theme of need to support virtual shifting, do me a favor and kick somebody in the shin -- let them know there are A LOT of flat bar Zwifters out here that they're ignoring. Thx a ton! Ride hard!
That is a massive service to all Zwifters. I love the idea of the bike but I need shifting since I ride other platforms. I would love to go this super clean route for my setup. Anyway, a massive thanks for all the info, everyone contemplating a purchase needs to watch this. Thanks a ton!
A massive fail, terribly designed, buy yourself a cheap Alu with 105 Shimino, non Thru Axel bike, and youve got a bike you can use outside, useless thing. If its 50€ then ok.
