Originally dedicated to the Siren 17, a popular sport cruiser sailboat built in Canada by Vandersdadt & McGruer between 1971 and 1987, La Sirène RU-vid channel now generally covers adventure sailing and the outfitting and use of trailerable sailboats.
Great and informative videos! Do you attach your blue seat cushions (also the ones in other videos with the backrest) to the seats with velcro so they don't blow away?
Thanks for doing these videos. Not only are they visually well done and edited, but the modifications you made to the Siren are very sensible. I have just purchased one, and over the next year or two, I will likely be implementing most of the improvements you have documented. Safe Sailing!
Really nice job! Will try to do it. Where and What should i look for if i want to reinforce with kevlar too? Also do you wrap it around and then put epoxy on it? Can you describe a bit more the kevlar application step, please?
I think base sail away price for the Flow 19 is around 55K Euros. Yes, a porta potty fits well inside the cabin and can be stowed under the double berth extension.
got a siren 17 last week, never sailed before but ive always wanted to get into it. Ive been watching you videos to see how things are set up and its been very helpfull.
Spectacular. Thanks for the details on purchase and getting to the US. Great upgrade and sporty boat for your type of explorations. Great video too, I think your voice would have been nice for the narration. Rick
Formidable. Love your whole style of sailing and enjoying shore pursuits and blueberries. We have sailed out to Grand Island Trout Bay and camped in our Hobie Tandem Island a little trimaran. I think I want to go with your style of sailing rather than pick up a NorSea 27. Small is beautiful. I've also read Why States Fail. Another thing about your style of sail is that you could join in with friends occasionally and cruise together in trailerables. I live in South Africa most of the time but also have a home in Michigan. Enjoy your sea travels and will see you out there. Blessings, Richard
@@BethelHealthBuilders I think our newer 19 footer (Flow 19) is really in the sweet spot and combines, ease of towing/rigging, roomy, great performances and is seaworthy. The Siren 17 was a great started boat though.
Thanks for watching. Here is the link. If I would redo the installation, I'll make the furler structural (in line with the headstay with a swivel at the top). Also, no need for the fairleads, just run the furler line to a cam-cleat on the side of the coach roof. www.ronstan.com/us/series-60-furler-only-stainless-st-ball-bearings.html
Thank you for this video I am in the process of purchasing my first sailboat and currently looking at a siren 17 The boat I am looking at as the central main sheet do you think it would be possible to upgrade to a system like yours too clean up the cockpit
Yes, it’s a pretty simple main sheet and setup. That’s said, we have a center mounted cockpit main sheet on our new boat and I much prefer this arrangement. Mainly for the ease of control, from both sides with the swivel cleat being down low and easy to release and adjust.
A bit larger boat with more ballast would be ideal but the Siren 17 is a good fit. Having a storm jib is key to be able to sail safely in windy conditions.
I never made one specific to the Siren 17 but the one from our new boat, the Flow 19 is very similar. Here is the link. drive.google.com/file/d/1ojbAkhnty0qc8X4IK1pqRahlrUtmmmOI/view?usp=drive_link
Just stumbled across this video. I have a Precision 23 and it's a perfect boat for this scenario. I have to pump up some items like navigation and solar. Can you tell me please what your solar panel situation is?
Sounds like a great boat for it. Not as convenient to beach or rig as a Siren 17 but great ballast ratio for safer sailing in tough conditions. I had a 50AH LifePO4 battery to power our electronics, B&G chart plotter and tiller pilot supplemented by a 20W solar panel on an RAM harm mounted aft that was easy to aim at the sun.
I am a pretty novice sailor, and I would love to get a furler for my CS22 as when Im out by myself going forward on the deck is just not fun, or safe especially when the conditions get rough. can you tell me more about the ronstan 60 series setup your using? it looks like a great solution both for cost, and that Id like to be able to switch between my working jib and genoa depending on the day. the furler at the bottom is inline with the forestay, and so the top swivel must also be inline with the forestay to allow it to turn as one? what is the piece that you attach the halyard too? that is clearly the key to the setup to keep the halyard from wrapping up. a video on this setup would be really great if you had the time!
Hello, yes, having a continuous line furler on a small boat is a no brainer and is super convenient. You are right, the furler installation on my boat is what is typically referred as a structural furler, the furler is installed in line with the stay and you need a special (and expensive...) swivel on the headstay to which you attach the head of your foresail so it can furl around the stay. My boat is now on the water and can't take photos or videos of the setup (but will do at some point...). In combination to Ronstan's Series 60 furler, I have a Harken swivel at the top of this model. www.harken.com/en/shop/small-boat-underdeck-516/hoistable-furling-swivel-6-mm-wire/ Note that the head sail on the Flow 19 is also a hank-on sail so, it can be doused and removed from the headstay in case of problem with the furler. I never thought I would resort to this but last week, the splice on my furling line gave up (after a careful look, I concluded that the continuous line was poorly executed from the start...) and I had to douse the headsail in a classic way.
@@siren17 wow that swivel really is expensive! that definitely brings the price of the setup closer to a proper small boat furling setup which is disappointing. but, using hanked on sails is still a major savings for me. I just cannot converting my bagged out genoa or purchasing another sail to make a normal furling setup. thank you so much for the information! I do really like this solution.
@@devinerdmann5948 I gave you the link to the hoistable swivel for 6mm wire, mine is actually a cheaper version for 4mm wire. See link here, $310 list. www.harken.com/en/shop/small-boat-underdeck-516/hoistable-furling-swivel-4-mm-wire/ But... forgot to mention that you also need the one that attaches the headstay to the mast. Cheaper than the other one, $205 list. www.harken.com/en/shop/small-boat-underdeck-516/standard-furling-swivel-3-mm-luff-wire/
I will be doing the same battery set-up this coming week in my Siren and was wondering how you prevent the battery box from moving around when sailing?
I glassed two rings to the bottom of the hull and strapped the battery box down. If you don't want to go through the trouble of using a battery box and doing all the wiring, the portable power stations are a great option.
@@siren17 Maybe, if you stay in marinas or only beach the boat. My 16ft Senior had an anchor roller, anchor chain will make light work of those topsides in any kind of chop, but maybe you only sail in perfect conditions? Nice boat otherwise.
Some sort of fiddle on the windward seat or hiking strap of some sort to push your legs against to get your bum further outboard would help. From a dinghy sailer!
Would you say the Siren 17 is a good beginner sailboat? Could you potentially use it with just a small outmotor if theres no wind or you dont feel like sailing on a specific day?
Yes it is a great beginner boat. The keel locking system is a bit complicated to use but most of the time, you don’t really need to lock it unless there are serious risk to capsize. Also, running a small ICE outboard motor is noisy and gets annoying. You may want to look at an electric alternative.
Thank you for the videos. So I am new to sailing and have a fast question for you. The upper and lower bolts for this keel system. At the moment my my siren is on its trailer and there is two bolts going through both of those holes. Once in deep water and I lower the keel, should I remove one of this bolts first and than reinsert it to secure the keel and if so which one needs to come in and out to secure the keel?
Hi, the lower bolt is the pivot bolt and should not be removed. The upper bolt it the keel locking bolt and is the one that is used to lock the keel in the downward position.
I am not going anywhere at present as my boat is on the hard stand . I am refitting it. Nearly installed a new motor, going to order the solar panel soon, then ordering a new soler panel and battery, well the full list will be in the vlog next week when we get some fine weather. Gerard.
I would not take them and shrouds off if I would just drive a few miles to get to the ramp. But when trailering the boat for hundred of miles on the highway at 60 to 70mph speeds, it's best to keep everything lean. I have seen bad chaffing from stays and other stuff that became loose on trailered sailboats.
Super smart! Did you build this system yourself, or had it custom-made, or does it come with the boat? I was you had almost the same system on your Siren 17 previously. Thanks for a great video!
On small to medium boats , simple ideas are often the best. You may also want to put insect screens on the companion way, and the for hatch, glue magnetic strips on each side to easily remove, Almost ready for a big trip. Had a lot of bad weather laley so Its been difficult to get power up to make a volg of my boat but will try to soon. Gerard. Gera
It seems very simple, and, as you say in the video, the setup is elegant, not overkill. It reminds me to some extent of how I used to rig my 470. I would love to see the spinnaker furler, and I wonder if you can keep it up when it's furled as you sell. Also, is there a reefing system on the main? Great video, thank you!
Thanks for watching... I don't have a video of the spinnaker being furled and unfurled, need to do one this season... Yes, you can keep the spinnaker furled while sailing. Just want to make sure the furler line is in its cleat. Yes, there are two reefs in the main. I did not show them in the rigging video but mentioned that they are installed and kept with the main in the lazy bag.
This has been a dream of mine since I was 12. Im finally in a position to make it happen but I dont quite have the daring ambition I once had. How heavy is your boat and trailer?
This looks like a great option - I have a Sandpiper 565 and was looking for a lightweight tender. Had thought of a Stand Up Paddle Board, but this may be a better alternative. Under sail do you notice the inflatable tender being towed?
Thought about an inflatable paddleboard too but the kayak is more versatile. Absolutely no effect underway, no difference with or without the kayak in tow.
Make sure you get a self-bailing kayak or it can be a problem, in any weather the spray will eventually fill the boat and it will weigh a ton and affect your seaworthiness.
Iv had my Excursion Pro K2 for about 4 years now. I use it for my back country camping as it fits in my trunk, no roof rack. and the foot pump it comes with is a great fire bellows. So far iv dragged and dropped that boat on many a rocky shore, still going strong.
