I'm a disabled veteran, I served in the US Army, and I'm now retired. I ride motorcycles and love riding fast. Hope you enjoy the channel and the content that will come.
I bet that 131 is at the wheel cause i have a 2019 Road Glide 128 S&S build by Moonshine Harley and it puts out 127Hp and 145TQ and i have close to 10K in it
I've owned a dozen HD's (mostly CVO's) over the years. I recently got my first Indian, a 2024 Pursuit Limited. In my opinion the Indian is superior in every metric. There is however a learning curve. The Indian wants to be ridden at higher RPM's in spite of it's ample torque and HP. (It thinks it's a sports bike) I ride exclusively in sport mode. It's a beast! That said, I only have 1200 miles on it so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
In 2016 I bought a 2010 HD Softail Custom with 2660 miles on it. June 4 2024 I traded it in with 143000 miles on it and purchased a 2023 Indian Challenger Dark Horse with matte black smoke paint. I'm getting used to the much more powerful and bigger bike but no complaints and I haven't tried sport mode yet. I have, however, brought it to a suitable road and hit the 110 mph as I was told with NO problem. Indian has limited the bike to 110 but I had plenty of throttle left. I'm still making friends with Ride Command and Car Play. I wish Indian would have chosen something closer to Mazda's red or I'd have bought that one but over all no complaints.
Both beautiful bikes. I’m glad Harley modified their design a bit because I thought they looked a little clunky. I’d buy either! But I think, because of the number of aftermarket ideas available I’d get a Harley. That being said, if I bought an Indian, that’d help them grow and finally get more after market places
I like both, but this video is wildly inaccurate. CVO gets 115 hp, and more torque is along side of a pursuit in terms of packages. You compared specs of an older ultra limited Harley to a new challenger. Wasn’t even a road glide 😂. All 24 models get the 22 inch display, 117 engine, 105hp/130 torque. Street or road glide. You are right they should have consolidated engines to just one, and they did. Road glide is 26k MSRP, Challenger is 32k, Pursuit is 34k to 40k, and a CVO is 44+. All great bikes, personally think the pursuit is in the best market value.
Specs came right from HD guy. If they're "innaccurate" blame HD. They hadn't announced 24 HD models until months after this was made, it was a comparison with 23s. Which indian 23 to 24 are identical, before you complain about that too.
The argument about why hd not going fully water-cooled is evidence of lack of experience with hd design and products. I came open minded to this video as I've owned a victory xc and now own a rgl but the bias is evident. Does the Indian perform better? Sure. Just not in sales. I have plenty of gripes with hd. For sure. But I have much bigger ones with Indian. The I've common thing they both have in common is they both hate their customers.
No lack of experience with HD design bud. They used outdated tech, as they have for years, and refused to update their builds because they had no serious competition.. until now with the return of indian, being built by a competent company that's making great bikes.
does anyone know if indian is planning to date a new challenger and when? I read comments about a new engine but I can't find anything online. Thank you
Not happening. They've already been forced to neuter 24 and up bikes. 23 and below you can still add performance packages and tunes, they are unable to do so for 24 up because of EPA compliance. No bigger engines coming. They use like a 112 for KotB racing but that's not street legal and won't be in the foreseeable future either.
I think Indian is a pretty good motorcycle the biggest problem with Indian is not very many dealers around on the road I see harley davidson every where I only see Indian once in a while on the road I would have given Indian motorcycle a good look if there was dealers around so having said that Harley Davidson motorcycle got my business I can't say I would have for sure got a Indian but it would have been a strong consideration if there were reputable dealers around
Fortunately, Indians are overall very reliable, unlike HD. So dealers aren't typically needed. If your bike isn't breaking down, and you can do your own maintenance, why would you need a dealer??
I have a streetglide am shopping for a new roadglide or indian pursuit one thing I have found out even if you are 6" 2" you will need new bars on the indian. And as my girlfriend pointed out when traveling there are about 196 indian dealers compared to 496 harley
The difference is, Harleys break down more often and need the dealer support. Indians do not. By the way, the 2024 RG models are having TONS of issues. Good thing you guys got so many dealers so your bikes can sit there broken an not ridden.
The cooling is for rider comfort, not modern performance. Indian full liquid cooling is for modern engine performance. Hence, one reason why the Challenger puts down more power and is more reliable.
Comparing 23 HD. 2024 touring models come standard with 117. The sales numbers prove what we want. Indian makes a great bike, but you can’t build the history HD has carried. Glad both are still making good bikes.
They didn't have the 24 specs released at the time, but the Indian is still a better package. I have always loved Harleys too, I'm just not blind when another company is doing it better.
@@DarkHorseParatrooper Having a RU-vid named after a bike wouldn’t show bias at all. It’s ok to like your purchase, but there’s a reason HD sells 10:1 against Indian.
@@DarkHorseParatrooperBy the way, your bias shows at the start of the video, besides the channel name, you claimed Indian as the oldest American motorcycle. 15 times that name plate has changed hands, I know this bc Highside/Lowside podcast used it as a trivia question. Indian isn’t a company, or American heritage. No kid grew up with an Indian on the wall. I like them all, but I hate bias and your bias shows.
It's not just 2 grand though. You need to actually watch the video. I point out pretty clearly it's a difference in packages. If you buy the base model, you're missing tons of features it's not just a 2k difference.
It's a pro-choice world and what better choices to consider then between these two American stalwarts. I gotta think that Polaris would have not gotten into the street market (w/Victory or Indian) if it wasn't for the success of Harley-Davidson. I contend that due to the success of H-D and its profitable business model is the reason we can have this head-to-head comparison. The Motor Company is out front and in the lead in the heavy weight tourer segment & kudos to Polaris for taking up the challenge and pursuing this market. I also find it noteworthy that BMW, in addition to its tour-de-force K-1600 series, has also targeted H-D with its own heritage R-18 model line. On the other hand, IMHO, Yamaha did rather blundered with its under-appreciated Star Venture Transcontinental & Eluder models. All-in-all I say the return of Indian to challenge Harley is nothing but beneficial to all of motorcycledom. Furthermore more it's not what you choose to ride but that you choose to ride! Kudos to your presentation and good luck with your YT channel.
Lol right? Though you'd want the dark horse or limited so you get all the performance features and quality of life stuff like electronic locking saddlebags.
I'm 67 inches. You're taller than me, and no they shouldn't be. Most people who actually try ape hangers that are a shoulder height like this will tell you they are quite comfortable.
Actually... Indian does have a sport bike, the FTR 1200. And both advertise these as "performance baggers." The only one thats actually performance is the Indian. Sorry to burst your bubble champ.
@@DarkHorseParatrooper Not a fan of the Sportster S, but it performs better than the FTR. More hp & torque throughout the range, look at dyno comparisons. I rode both before buying my 890R. Neither felt “sporty”, with the Sportster S having horrible ergos and that fat front killing the lean. The FTR ergos were off for a sport naked. Both have fantastic motors, but passed on both.
@@freebehindbars8654 The problem with the Sporster S, other than the horrible ergonomics, is that it committed the greatest sin of all by being hideous.
Hi from Australia. I ahd a Chieftain Icon Dark Horse, went to a '22 Road King Special, which was awesome with 131 engine and CR512 cam, but suspension sucks. Now waiting for my 2024 Challenger Elite to arrive from USA, 1 of only 6 for Australia this year. Good video, but needs volume badly, far too quiet. Cheers, Mojo from Down Under
Yes it worked. I had just disconnected my battery to test the battery and my screen went blue and my performance pages were gone. But now its back. Thabks alot. Quick and to the point. Dodge charger rt super track pack.
Indian needs to send a tech trainer out to every Polaris dealer or service dept and train techs to service Indian bikes. That would bring Indian up to par with ease to Harley service network. My Indian extended warranty with wheel and tire only covers 40 miles of towing on my Springfield… this isn’t a cafe racer or a crotch rocket.. 40 miles from my house is what it takes to warm my bike up for a ride… lol
Some shops are better than others. I've heard some stories. Funny thing is, pretty much all the shops I've heard with bad Indian techs, the dudes came out of HD dealerships... not sure if it's a coincidence.
'21 RT charger || My driver side actuator spring broke. I cant lie i zip tied it in open position and plugged it back up. So far so good. 1000miles in so far
