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Wonderful stuff Doc ps look forward to getting back on the practice ground and putting the stuff into practice as it were. Thanks a lot really enjoying your instruction Mark
Covens swing is more vertical and wrist finish and Foley is horizontal and flat with a forced flat horizontal lag……Cowan pulls vertically down and Foley pulls horizontally across I prefer a single plane swing
You’re right. That was his thing when he was with Tiger. He has done a 180 on that now. I guess from the advise of biomechanics. I know he spends a lot of time with Dr Mark Bull.
Good advice but talking as a high handicapper and looking at that course your playing. Most High Handicap players will have poor contact and do not all ways get the ball going in the direction they aim for. playing the ball downhill or uphill on different lies can be an issue.
Great video. It captures the two steps forward, one step back feeling i currently have working on improvement and fundamental change. The discipline of having regular lessons with you, Dr Noel, is a really important part of that process. Knowing i have to send a video at some point even if its really not working well that week, for instance!
I’ve been getting great results with a similar concept, except with one caveat. I heard somewhere on RU-vid that the loft on clubs are setup with a particular lean of the shaft. Basically, if you soul your club prior to taking your grip, the grip will be progressively “weaker” as you go from wedges to driver, as compared to taking your grip with a vertical shaft with each club. So my wedges grip has become much much stronger, even when opening to get more bounce. My 5-iron, for example, sits relatively vertical, and I adjust my grip accordingly. My driver sits with the shaft leaning back. I’m still taking a bit stronger grip over all, but when I try to take a really strong grip I get a bad straight slice or a really nasty pull hook. So I stay with basically a neutral, two-knuckle grip, setting up with the club determined shaft lean.
This video is long overdue and much appreciated. The L to L swing is great if you're hitting from a flat lie, maintain inside path and you've practiced within last 48-72 hours. But in sloped terrain, or different conditions than a driving range, and if you haven't practiced recently, the Pete Cowan model is way better. This is pretty much what Malaska, Milo Lines, etc. teach nowadays. I've been playing this swing for last 3 months and I'm in the fairway more often and lose way less balls. Just played on Sunday and finished the round with same ball I started with. Pre-2000 everybody was taught L to L.
One question for you: for the sake of not causing injury to the back of an old bugger like me, which is the best type of swing to use - I tend to use a hybrid of the two swings at present, that is to say that I have the leading edge of the club facing down (parallel with my spine) on the back swing and downswing but finish with a rollover release and my back is always sore after a game. So which swing method would you advise so as not to cause injury to my back? Thanks.
Short & sweet....former baseball pull hitter, so the strong grip suits me biomechanically. The powerful hip rotation has been my goto since little league.
Just found your channel. I have had lots of lessons and read countless books and watched 1000s of videos on RU-vid. Never have I understood movement as I do now. Thank you for posting and sharing, I will be reviewing this for a few days. Subscribed 👍
I have to say that for a long time I felt the same but I am trying to understand his thinking more. He is clearly at the top of the game so there must be loads to learn from his approach. I am trying.
Sorry, This video needed a clearer wind direction graphic. The wind was fairly strong right to left so the girls did hit a cut which is why the ball held in the wind and landed softer than if they rode the wind with a draw.
My daughters gave me one as a christmas gift. It was fun at the beginning. Then it started to be quite annoying. My best shots got the worst numbers. My worst shots got the best numbers. I went to see a pro to check if I was using it correctly. He said yes. Now this trackmotion has been in a drawer for a couple of months. It’s a toy that most of amateurs can’t use alone. You still need a pro to check what you’re doing wrong and how to correct it. As far as I am concerned as long as my golf balls go straight more or less in the middle of the fairway and or the green I am happy and couldn’t care less about what this Hackmotion may say I’m doing wrong
I can totally relate to that. I can imagine that this is a common experience. So much of the what happens with the wrists (through impact) is heavily influenced by the body motion. As you say, the wrists will often need through 'unorthodox' movements in order to deliver the club squarely. Everything affects everything.
I have had an impact ball at home for years but it has not really been used for the reason you state. However, I had a lesson a short while ago where I was using a sponge ball that does the same thing and was amazed at how much difference it made to my swing in a very short period of time. I found the drill hard, so my aim now is to use the impact ball regularly over the next few months to train that feeling of squeezing the forearms together.
Thanks for the feedback. There must be thousands of abandoned impact balls the world over. In the first instance it is really awkward with no obvious gain. Well worth sticking with though. Glad to hear that you have gotten past that initial pain point 👍
I can't help but think that any (non elite) amateur who goes down the rabbit hole of trying to load their shoulder is only going get worse. I'm not a Pete Cowan fan, he always seems like the grumpiest man ever and whenever I've seen the videos of good players having lessons with him, none of them seem to have a clue what he's talking about!
I totally agree on all points here. Part 2 though will bring it together and offer a simple practice progression to garner what i think Cowen is getting at here. To your point, I actually think the language he chooses is misleading.
Pete has been working/ consulting with biomechanics expert Ryan Lumsden for over 20 years. And has integrated physiology and Sport Science in his coaching for many years, had a close working relationship with the late Ramsay McMaster for many years..
A bad back is pulled muscles that are in a spasm, warm yourself up before playing avoid injury. If injured massage the mucles to relax them and pain stops.
😅I get your point. I don’t think k any golfer consciously loads the shoulders in the downswing at least. But these are good principles to bear in mind.
Sorry but I completely disagree with this loading concept of Pete Cowan. I can only go by my own swing, but i hit a 5 iron 237 yards and I'm a 12 handicap golfer and 67 years of age, inmao loading causes tension. When I swing a golf club I think speed not loading 😎
That’s really interesting. Thanks for your experience. Light fluid speed vs loaded power! I may be wrong but I think Cowen is more about club stability through impact than speed.
Thank you for your reply, I guess load happens without us consciously knowing it like I feel the shaft load at the base of my right index finger at the top of my swing. Tension/ load in my upper back and left shoulder specifically on my practice swing, don't feel anything consciously during my swing... Hope i haven't bored you to sleep 😴😅
@@davidu8856 5 iron 237 yards is amazing, especially at that age, you should be teaching Dr Noel and Pete Cowan your techniques How far do you hit 7 iron?
Having a cut shot & a draw shot is basically golf 101 for anyone trying to be ok at this game. You need to be able to play shots into different wind’s & different pins.
I've had the sharks on chipping for two weeks. It's cost me about 11 shots per round 3 times. I practiced last night and chipped 50 balls perfectly and then......I couldn't chip another ball after 30 attempts and quit. I missed my appointment with my pro and have a tournament on Tuesday😳😳😳😳😳
Draws & fades are like golf 101. Way easier than just trying to hit the impossible straight ball all the time. It’s a lot easy to have a draw & a fade shot.
Mate if you think amateurs should be trying to fade and draw you’ve lost your mind. I get it’s part of the game, for great ball strikers most of which arnt amateurs. Anyone over 15 handicap tells me they are trying to draw or fade this on I laugh to myself and tell them maybe just aim for the middle of the green before you top the ball 🤦🏼♂️
What? The club opens after impact because theres a heavy heel strike with the ground, but the toe isn't digging into the dirt as much, then the toe grabs the dirt later which opens the face...
That’s what I initially thought but looking at other body shapes I’m not so sure. There looks like other torques going on. Also, the ground strike appears flush to me and the face doesn’t get immediately deflected which it would be if that were the case. It opens more gradually and a few frames after ground strike.
Maybe it wasn't clear but the wind was hard from the right so the girl hit a fade to hold it into the wind and that's why it went straight and landed softly. If she hit a draw it would have curved a lot and bounced off the back.
