It’s not complicated to comprehend why it’s not out, what ever the excuse it’s irrelevant. To say it will be available then seeing sponsored shooters using them in videos while also running them at competitions isn’t fair to customers because it’s not available with zero update. This is a very expensive rifle marketed to be an out of the box competition rifle and with a 230bar fill it is not unless you are slinging slugs that puts you at a disadvantage.

@@AirHeadArms thanks buddy I appreciate it. It’s a fun gun and feels absolutely amazing.

It does feel amazing, got one! Going out in a couple days for the initial tune and test.

@@woogieman02 I appreciate you following up on here. Never know what to expect online anymore. But yes it’s me on AGN. I plan to do videos with a friend’s DRS pro in the future. Really need to get a back up rifle that I’m use to in case mine for some reason goes down at a match.

@@Competitiveairgunning just wanted to check! Have been talking with you on agn as well. GREAT video by the way

@@weaponofchoice8942 sorry to hear you got a leak on yours. Always frustrating when it happens especially on new toys. Mine quit leaking the next day, I always hate to tear into something especially when it’s new as I’ve seen it in the past where things just need to settle and seat in place. You can get them to shoot really good just takes a little more patience then some depending on what kind of groups you are normally happy with. I

@@recklessjunkie I know the plenum shroud on my panthera was locked down hard. But since that’s the air tank I would think it’s treated more like a bottle and most likely has lock tite. When I pulled the plenum shroud off my panthera I put my gun between my legs and held it with my knees so I could get a good twist with both hands. I’d be careful though since that’s the bottle. The main air tank should be drained if the plenum is drained. I am hoping since mine is new it will seal up and I don’t have to fix it or send it in. Sucks tour experiencing a leak and having to work on it so early. I plan on looking at mine again this week and to see if it still leaks if so I’ll have to dial what the problem could be.

@@Competitiveairgunning yeah I ordered a full oring kit for it on oringsandmore and some snoop on Amazon that’s for checking for leaks Utah airguns uses it.. gonna work on it in a few days I’ll probably run the panthera this weekend because I can’t go a week without shooting haha yeah I’d put it between my legs and use both hands but I really really don’t want to bend the trigger or something like that so the vice and heat gun should do I’ll clamp the block with rubber and rags or something heat gun is last resort.. but yeah so you mentioned the air coming out of the little hole on the side with the cocking handle I think that’s the regulator because I watched sub12 airgunners teardown video of the drs and he takes you through it showing you where the air will escape if a certain oring fails good luck with the fix and I appreciate the videos a ton

@@recklessjunkie good to know I’ll have to watch that video on it. I know the feeling that’s why I always hate taking my guns down I play with them a couple times every week. I think I’ll order a vice as well and some of that leak detector. The panthera plenum wasn’t to hard to break free, I’d bet that air tank shroud would be much much harder to get off. Curious to see how hard it was for ya so I know what to expect.

@@recklessjunkie thanks and your welcome. I’m happy you watch them and you find them useful. I have a lot of fun making them and have came across some great people along the way who watch them. Definitely keeps me motivated to continue to make them.

@@aaronmonroe2886 Thats a good speed to run those and that’s it’s good SD. My hammer screw spun free once I broke it loose. I’ll have to look at mine and check a diagram to see if I’m missing that ball detent and what holds it in place. If you have checked what are you getting in terms of shot count at that set up?

@@Competitiveairgunning im getting 12 shots also until it comes off the reg but i can get 1-2 more shots that are pretty close with the current tune shooting past the reg. i put a small .0625" steel shim I made behind the hammer weight and in front of the spring. At first I couldn't get over 940FPS with 36g .218 slugs before the hammer spring adjustment was screwed in all the way.

@@aaronmonroe2886 I didn’t have any issue getting up faster than 940 even with 40’s (thjnk they are an oddball .2175) I was at 965 at one point. Once I drop off the reg I see those shots move out of the grouping pretty quick. I could probably compensate with the 33’s one or two shots but I think the 40’s compensating I’d have a hard time keeping them close to the group.

@@Competitiveairgunning The hammer weight I got was not the tungsten/copper weight in the slug power kit and the adjusting screw looks much different with the detents than the one in Matt Dubber's rifle so Im guessing it was machined a little differently than the earliest models. My groups aren't quite as good as yours in the video, but I'll have the internal weight tomorrow and have two sets of external weights so hopefully that will help. I'll still be about 3 pounds short of my rimfire. I was also able to get to the reg adjustment through the chassis holes. I haven't been able to find much of anything for information on reg and hammer settings.

@@aaronmonroe2886 oh that makes sense I think mine came in on the second shipment. 3lbs isn’t much to get on external weights. The weight I’m currently making will add about ten lbs to it. It will be sarcastic heavy. But I like them very heavy (except when carrying). The weight I’m making slides on and off as I plan to use mine as a hunting rifle as well so I don’t want to use tools to take the weight off. I spent a long time tinkering with settings to get my first groups going very well. I was pleased to see the 40’s on that video actually shot well with that tune. TBH I was getting frustrated tuning. Every time I though I had something it would change. Was definitely more work than the panthera to find a tune for. You ain’t lying there isn’t much out there are far as adjustments or settings yet. Im gonna try and make another video with mine this coming weekend.

Yeah I bought one from Cape fear but I haven’t put it in because I’m still tuning mine

@@recklessjunkie good to know I just looked that up. I’d much rather of done something like that vs lock-tite.

@@haroldrushton6735 thanks I appreciate it. I definitely can’t argue groups like that. When you watch them all group like that you’re just waiting to see which one coming up will fly off and ruin it lol. Thanks best of luck to you as well.

@@mymodel6 i haven’t watched sub 12’s review but I am going to try and find it now. I wouldn’t think of putting it away or parking it, I might have been frustrated early on and that’s mainly because all the sponsored videos I watched there was no issues and the rifle was perfect. That’s the problem with those people they are never honest, they are always biased and leave details out. But this rifle shoots fantastic and is extremely easy to tweak. I couldn’t imagine running a different rifle. I’m pretty sure I’ve fixed the POI shift issue and another common issue. I just haven’t made a follow up video on it yet as I want to be sure it’s fixed before sending a video out. I’ve had a few issues but I like to be open and honest with my reviews so people know what they might encounter.

@@samsawyer2145 I know the barrel clamps are pretty controversial from everything Ive read on them. Some people swear by them and others want nothing to with them. How do you like it?

@@Competitiveairgunning my king so far has been amazing I prefer it over my m3 !

@@samsawyer2145I love that they dumped a panthera in a chassis. Personally Im not much a fan of the bullpup designs.

@@recklessjunkie lol it’s been a long wait. That’s awesome I got mine on Wednesday you will have to let me know how ya like it and what ya think of it. I was on the edge of getting one had I known it doesn’t come with the carbon fiber tube that it’s not even a thought right now i wouldn’t have done it. Pretty frustrating i have a rifle with a 230 fill and that part isn’t available.

@@Competitiveairgunning frustratingly long wait! I knew I wasn’t gonna be a part of the first batch of preorders but maybe the 3rd 4th batch of I guess you can say like a non preorder costumer “walk in” buyer but I think they had enough left over from the fist batch that I could actually snag one i remember first seeing the teaser trailer and then the short video revealing it and going to airgun nation and letting everyone know f-class John just got the price from Utah airguns owner Justin at shot show and letting everyone on airgun nation know it was gonna be just under 3k that was months ago haha yeah I knew I was gonna get one as soon as a saw it. Now yeah there’s a few things I don’t like about it you mentioned a couple already I think the carbon Air cylinder is scrapped reason I think this is because it’s probably dangerous have you ever seen a carbon wrapped tube before? I’ve never seen one. It’s probably unsafe but then again it could come out and I’ll be wrong. Second I did have to buy an angled monomer bracket and gauge and install it but you have to drain the complete rifle from unscrewing the pressure gauge and back off the reg like the other guns for plenum side and also pull out this rubber stopper under the set screw one the plenum they don’t mention any of that. Another thing weird is the baby cocking handle I put on one from an m3 I had laying around can’t believe they would ship the pro without a bigger cocking handle? And then the actual block looks to be a fx dreamline block I own one and it’s pretty damn similar that throw lever is so long it’s smooth but long and then the mini mag feels elcheapo haha not a fan oh also be careful they loctite the hammer spring adjuster and it’s on there mad tight just hit it with a torch but be mindful of orings.. but honestly I can get past all that because as long as I can blast 34 gr zans at a thousand I’ll be happy the chassis is the bread and butter it’s very nice I will be fine tuning it and building it up over the year and making it my own so far It seems to shoot.I only put 30 or so down it so far and so far and it’s grouping so I’ll let you know here an there how it gos I’m a big fx freak so Im hyped on it. the price stings but I had to have it haha thanks for showing us what you’ve been up to on this channel I’ll be dropping by to check out the videos I appreciate them btw have a good one alright.

@@recklessjunkiethat’s spot on exactly how I feel about it as a package. Some of the stuff I didn’t mention you nailed. I wish the magazine was wider not sure why it’s narrower than the pantheras. I’m not sure on the carbon I’d really like to hear some kind of update. I know their sponsored shooters been flaunting them on their channels for months and I’d bet their winnings at RMAC they was using the carbon tubes they been showing off in those videos. My friend on his first fill forgot about the fill pressure and sent his to 300 bar lol. I said at least I know I don’t have to worry about it blowing up if I forget. The 34’s are a solid option and weight. Really can’t go wrong with them plus they give you a very nice shot count.

@@recklessjunkieforgot to mention the amount of people I’ve heard complain about the price done know what a chassis costs and how deep you can get with a custom rifle. Appreciate you following along. If you want me to touch on anything in the future just let me know. As long as I got some knowledge on the topic I’ll do a video.

I’m praying we get that carbon tube the extra 20 bar does make a difference it’s a killer seeing that gauge drop so far from the first shot. JESUS 300 BAR! That’s Lethal!!! lol and you said it exactly they really don’t understand how much a proper competition rig can cost like a fully custom 22lr or centerfire set up way more money they act like how dare fx put out such a gun at that price they just have to be ignorant or uneducated or something the hate is crazy man like the m4 launch videos comments like mad negativity it’s like are these people stupid or jobless kids they don’t know basic business it’s weird man theres definitely things I’m not crazy about but like bitching about o-rings failing like do they not understand the pressures were dealing with they act like it’s only fx guns that need maintenance if you ask me it’s the airguns of Arizona haters the daystate brocock guys hating on FX owners because they want they’re beloved airgun company to be the best idk I can go on haha I better not have a good night

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@@haroldrushton6735 it’s a looker for sure. Awesome to hear on your panthera, then things are hard to beat. Especially once you dial it in and customize it to fit how you shoot. I got a press high on my list, you’ll have to let me know what ya dial in on. If you have the dies I’ve had good luck with mid 30’s boat tail hybrids that a friend has made for me. Making them hybrid boat tails stretches them just a bit longer. They loved the 34HN tune I had and seemed to fight wind better than the dish base I was shooting. I haven’t adjusted the trigger pull yet but out of the box it felt pretty good for the practice I was doing. I’ve only had it out maybe 4 hours and I was messing around with 3 different slugs as I tuned it to see how they reacted. I don’t blame you on the stage 1 deletion, I know I’m gonna irritate someone with this but I’m not a fan of two stage triggers I’d rather have one break and be done. It’s good to see these rifles being built where they are able to be set up to fit the shooter vs that one size fits all mindset.

@@Competitiveairgunning - I've had good luck with both H&N 30 grain and Patriot Javeline II 34 grain in my Panthera. The design of the factory dies from Presslug is similar with a concave base. I shot a local match last weekend with the Patriots and they did a good job ringing steel out to 184 yards. I will be experimenting with some different die designs too. The ogive of the factory die is slightly more pointed than the Patriot design. So, I'd like to try a a few different dies to see what works out best. I'll let you know how it goes. I definitely like the fit of FX rifles! That is very important in NRL22 & PRS for sure. That stock on your DRS is sweet! They did good working a deal to use that stock. I ended up adding a 12" section of brass to my front rail and I added a second, lower Arca rail as well. That really helped with the balance. I think balance is the biggest thing they could have improved on the Panthera.

@@Pixel-Shooter it’s definitely like no other Airgun I’ve handled yet. Looks and feels like half the rimfire rifles I shoot against every weekend.

It’s a bag rider that I 3d modeled and printed. I really like the looks of how it turned out and how it fit.

I’m not sure. The 300 will get the job done but one would think a aftermarket upgrade would have been offered besides adding a bottle or using a bottle relocation. The new Red Panda PRS rifle is a 510Cc and no front bottle. It’s really sharp looking as well.

Thanks I appreciate it

I run H&N 34’s and Altaros 40’s. The Altaros are quite a bit more expensive and you have to run them slower but they do battle higher wind days better then the 34’s. I am tuned right now to run both so I can switch between them and only have to tweak the zero on my scope. I have that wrote down so I can just pop my scope turrets up, reset and I’m good to run the other one. Both are great slugs to use and are very accurate. I run the altaros at 944 and the H&N’s at 1030. Also the H&N’s due to expansion are a much better option as a hunting slug. It’s a great rifle for PRS and NRL I’ve spent a lot of time tuning, testing, building some custom parts and learning what I can do and can’t do when compared to the rimfire side.

@@Competitiveairgunning - Thanks for the info on slugs! I bought bunch of different weights and brands to test. I have several H&N variants. I have also ordered a slug press and dies. As much shooting as it takes to practice for competitions, I think it would be very handy to make my own as well, at least for practice. Where are you located? I'm in Nashville, TN.

@@haroldrushton6735a slug press is a must if you do a lot of shooting. I got one in my cart just haven’t hit the buy button. You don’t save a bunch from what I calculated but you gain consistency, quality control and the ability to customize and have access to slugs your gun shoots well. Dish base and boat tails are my favorites. I’m just south of Kansas City.

@@Competitiveairgunning - My main interest in making my own slugs is accuracy and consistency. (Looks pretty rewarding as well to make your own.). I'll let you know how it works out once I get the press here and work on it a bit.

Thanks I appreciate it I have put a lot of time behind this rifle. And I’ve been getting very effective in wind recently. I do a lot of dialing before matches for constant winds and use small holds to compensate or fine tune. I have to give a shoutout to Applied Ballistics they are absolute life saver for this sport. It’s extremely impressive what these Kestrels are capable of producing data wise when changing conditions are factored in.

@@Competitiveairgunning - I also have a Kestrel and Applied Ballistics I'm using for my Panthera. Looks to be the best way to go for sure! I've always generated my own ballistic cards in the past with a proprietary software a buddy of mine created years ago. But, it does not take environmental issues into account and has to be adjusted when changing elevations.

@@haroldrushton6735 it’s hard to justify the cost but as you start learning more and more features it becomes a lifeline. I use to do data cards and found out quickly how far my data would be off. I plan on doing a quick video on it before to long to over some of the basics and what I use most.

@@Competitiveairgunning - I agree! I remember shooting a World Championship match in Norway once and my data was nowhere near correct. I'm sure now that it was the elevation and temperature causing the issues. I'll definitely be using a Kestrel for my Panthera.

@@haroldrushton6735 how far do you travel for competitions? Will have to try meet and squad up at a match one of these days. Are you going to be shooting primarily NRL or PRS?

They are fantastic guns and honestly I’d be surprised to see any other gun shoot heavy weight slugs with the accuracy the way these pantheras. Don’t take what I said about impacting the barrel as a reason not to purchase. That’s my only flaw with it I’ve put tens of thousands of rounds through mine and have zero desire to change what I shoot. I haven’t experienced a POI shift all year, I’ve just taught myself to be more cautious when I am moving positions.

@@Competitiveairgunning yeah man but hunters bumb .etc i do allot .Nah 2000 euro+..tbh i dont give a fuck..2000 euro must be spot on ..bump a 2000 euro rife..wich is allot of money ...allot of money.and poi shift...my 850 euro gun dont shift-so fx ...Bye bye

@@Competitiveairgunning oke ..thx

It’s a barricade stop that I designed to house my magazine.

The PRS side is much more creative. The NRL everyone gets to practice the COF and shoot it as many times they can in a month and the COF are always fairly simple (the bonus stages are the only ones that can get tricky). The PRS no one gets to shoot any COF ahead of time and the match directors set ups can be as easy, hard, confusing or tricky as they want. That being said most of them are take into consideration the weather when setting up their courses and also pay attention to how many new shooters there are so it’s not to advanced. None of these match directors want anyone to not have a good time or struggle on to many stages.

Not sure why it’s not loading for ya. I know a few people have watched it already and I just tried it on a couple other phones and it loaded up.

Love this thanks for sharing good work out there !

I don’t pay attention how often if I’m being honest. I’ve probably ran a thousand rounds through it since the last time but I’m going to run a couple patches through it. Definitely anytime you take that barrel apart you can or will have a large POI shift. It’s the downfall of the pieces that go into that setup. Have you tested to see if you experience a POI shift if you mimic hitting the barrel on something?

@@Competitiveairgunning I haven't tested the amount of shift by barrel knock, however I have noticed a POI shift from knocking the barrel. A guy has to be super careful in the ladder and tree props to not make contact the barrel. So far I haven't used my Panthera in comp yet, but might do it in the May NRL 22 event? The gun seems to shoot well in practice, but still am getting consistent back to back grouping issues. thks

Running the amp regulator. I’ve debated on upgrading but figure I’d wait until this one fails

@@Competitiveairgunning So,Do you have regulator creep with AMP. If yes, how much bar creep? Thanks.

@@murathayta3211 Mine creeps from 250 to 240 - 235 ish bar in 2-3 days...edited spelling and added that overnight my digital gauge always climbs by 3-4 bar.

@@murathayta3211 I usually dont have any creep unless it’s due to have some work done on it. Once the piston is polished good, washers are polished good and the orings are replaced you can avoid the regulator creep. Factory parts are going to be scarred from being machined and orings may or may not seal properly from the machining, but a lil work with some polishing paper and it’s night and day difference.

That would have been a good video to watch.

Thanks I appreciate you watching and the compliment.

I refill after every stage. I keep it a habit so I don’t forget and let it end up costing me points. At matches and practicing I run a 74cu ft bottle. I have bigger bottles but I’ve yet to need them. However I do keep one with with me for backup just in case I spring a leak or something. By the end of a match I can continue to fill my gun at probably 270 bar on a decently warm day. If it’s cold out that number can drastically change. As far as how many refills I’ve never checked but I’ll try and pay attention. Ive never had to refill my main tank at a match unless I forgot to charge it or top it off before I left the house.

@@Competitiveairgunning thank you for real information that a .22nrl Rimfire shooter's would like to know before trying out a .22 air rifle for competition. I'm about to purchase a. 22 panthera. I have to figure out tuning and slugs. Any advice about tunes and slugs?

@@LHB33 your welcome Glad my tips are helping ya get dialed in on your new venture. It’s addicting and fun. As far as tuning goes they are pretty easy I’d watch a video on RU-vid to get the basics and fine tune your slugs after that. I’ll make a video here before to long tuning. With slugs there is a ton of options depending on what cal you get into. I like Zan, H&N, javelins, as well as Altaros. Griffen is another solid option but I haven’t tried them yet. Where ya wanna be budget wise, if your wanting a higher BC, something to hunt with as well as shoot at a competition or if you’re worried about out of stock when you try to restock makes a difference. Some of them can be hard to get hold of with out large markups if you’re in a hurry. I’m about to start making my own before to long.

​@@Competitiveairgunning really, I was looking at the panthera and that's pushing it right now. They're pretty dang expensive. I was looking at jts .22 and .25. To start at least a fill tank and a rifle . I live close to a scuba shop that fills tanks. So unless you have some budget friendly entry level rifle IDEAS, let me know. Thank you ³

@@LHB33 you are thinking of running JTS.22 or .25 cal pellets? You will fight wind pretty with that low of a BC but I’ve seen someone run one at matches before. If I was going budget friendly and running pellets I’d have an avenger. You can run light slugs as well to get a much better BC for better wind deflection and distance shooting.

I appreciate it your words. It feels rewarding to me giving out my own honest unbiased experience. I enjoy running these at matches almost as much as I enjoy meeting all the people I’ve crossed paths with since I started.

Congrats that’s a huge improvement… I’m glad some of the tips I gave ya helped ya advance. One of these days before to long we are gonna cross paths and meet up at the same match, gonna be a good time.

I backed it down a smidge from my last tune and am running at 944 right now. Ive tried a lot of speeds from 880-1015 and can tell you from my testing a hair over 950 is the fastest I’ve gotten them to group very well and it took a lil time to find that tune. The closer to 900 you get the more forgiving with a tune. The faster you get the more they require the tune to be closer to that sweet spot. But once I got past the 960’s there wasn’t a tune I could find that grouped good enough for me. Some of the groups were really good then comes a random flier(s) when testing at higher speeds. If I watched a chrono the speeds would end up looking similar this 970,975,972,932,973,975,945 and the faster you go the worse the your FPS string would look and the more random fliers you would get no matter what I did. Cleaning and lubing them would lessen the fliers by probably 25% or so but wasn’t good enough to justify the extra work.

Just got my slugs and ran out to test them. Shot good in the 900ish fps zone. I couldn't get my reg/hammer to settle down. What reg pressure/hammer tension are you running?

@@BraedonBriscoe keep an eye on your speed. These ones as you get over your speed threshold you will start getting fliers. And those fliers will coincide with random velocity changes. The higher in speed above where they want to shoot the more random velocity changes you will experience in a group. The settings on my 700 currently are at 2.25 and 17. Let me know how they do for ya.

@@Competitiveairgunning thank you, you running 170 bar reg?

@@BraedonBriscoesorry forgot to put the reg pressure in there. I’m at 150 currently. They seemed to like lower pressure compared to the higher pressure when I tested them.

I don’t run moderators with my panthera. I like to listen to it. Also I do to much moving positions at shoots and the extra length makes it easier to bump while moving. My hunting rifles I run moderators on though.

Lmao I can believe that. Be even harder if you had to shoot off it with the lid up after someone left a surprise. I haven’t seen a toilet stage surprisingly

Thanks, yea you are right they do flake off a lil more off the edges which makes it look bigger then it is.

I’d rather hold onto the STL for the time being but will pass it around before to long. But I’ll send you one. Look me up on Facebook James brownfield and send me a message. Not sure it’s to good to post to much info in a RU-vid comment