That just comes to tell you that movie producers are running out of ideas I mean look at all the sequels that we've been getting I mean God made live versions of a bunch of Disney movies
I'm happy movies like T2 exist. You can always come back for a good time. I mean look what we get nowadays.. Watched Conan the other day.. damn still getting goosbumps. Im just happy and thankful, I don't complain anymore
I half agree T2 is unnecessary. On one hand, the original was a perfect complete story. On the other, there was a space between its plot and Skynet waking up that a sequel could develop but I do share the sentiment T1 wasn't screaming for a sequel. T2 is fantastic but it really did start a bad trend. Video game Resident Evil 4 also inspired bad action junkie sequels
I agree about another Terminator film being unecessary. But the sequel was very well made (although repeating the chase story again) it didnt disgrace the original film, as so many sequels so often do, TERMINATOR 2 is perhaps the more important film of the two, because of the emphesis on the nuclear threat more, & the struggle to survive was even more amped up, Cameron didnt want anyone else directing a sequel which explains the long time gap between the 2 films.
The sequel WAS very well made and it gave us one of the most unique characters in sci fi in the T-1000 so despite it all I'm glad we have it. And you made a great point about it not disgracing the original film. So many of these sequels and continuation these days can't seem to handle that and they often end up killing the originals characters we grew up with (see my video-Stop killing my guys). A great comment thank you very much!
I think so. The Terminators look so awesome, up there with aliens and predators, and the story and setting and music and everything is something so cool, it's worth returning to as much as possible. The sequels sucked, yes, but if they stuck with real effects instead of CGI, maintained the horror, made the bad guy actually seem threatening, they couldn't go wrong. Terminator movies are like Mega Man games in that way. People these days go on about Ripley and Sarah, but the main draw of those films were Arnie in the first one, and T-1000 in T2.
You're right, Ripley and Sarah are great characters and heroes but every hero is only as good as their opponent and they have fantastic ones in the Terminators and the xenomorphs for sure Love the comment i really appreciate it!
I'd say Predator, Alien and Terminator are films that are excellent as one offs, keep lots of questions unanswered (specially for Alien and Predator), expanding the universe makes it less interesting, even tho T2 is a really good film from a plot twist and special effects point of view.
Never said it WASN'T a great movie. I think it's one of the best. My point is just from a story point of view. And I agree the ones that came after were not needed and only ended up deconstructing the franchise and it's characters.
Yeah, another example. Not really needed from a story point of view but glad they made it because it was amazing and it helped that the tone was so different than the first one. That current one that's playing seems to be a retread of the first one with modern day CGI. But I haven't seen it so I'm just going by what I've heard and seen in the many trailers. A lot of people seems to have liked it and its done well at the box office I guess.
I think the Skynet that sent the T-1000 back is a different Skynet from the one in the first movie. That can explain how they sent back new Terminators. T2 is still relevant as giving us one of the greatest heroines in cinema.
I agree about the heroine. Sarah Conner is one of the greats and I even think she's already heroic in the first one two, especially at the end. I t was great character arc for her.
No.. I love the first Terminator. But, never liked T2. Alotta people always said that was great and I never understood it. Terminator as the good guy never worked for me.
That brings up an interesting question: should deleted scenes be taken as canon? At the end of Superman 2 the phantom zone criminals lose their powers and slide down into the ice prompting Henry Cavill fans to say that Superman has killed before the whole snapping of Zod's neck. And yet in a deleted scene you can see the very much alive criminals being arrested as Superman and Lois talk to Lex Luthor. Should we consider that? But in a deleted scene of the Kevin Smith movie Clerks, Dante is killed by a robber in the store. If we considered that canon then their wouldn't have been a Clerks 2 or 3.
@eluberimabib4070 alright, I will politely hear your complaints. Just know that if it involves the philosophical and logical failures of time travel, I'm discounting that out of hand.
@eluberimabib4070 it's a different atmosphere, certainly. I like both for different reasons. One is like cyberpunk horror, the other is full on action. I can appreciate both
No he's right he's exaggerating that they dident need a terminator 2 but I think that they butcherd this franchise they made to many of them terminator 1 and 2 is enouf I think that terminator 1 and 2 was enouf and they should of stopped at 2
You make a perfectly valid point, but really movies will always put profit above story, so sequels will inevitably degrade. Best thing to do is use your own head cannon to decide what to keep or discard.
it use to be like that, now it's just about worshipping women. A new femenist movie comes out every day and they lose money but these movies keeping getting made. They're not happy about it, which is why they insult they call the audience sexist, but these movies aren't slowing down. It isn't about profit anymore.
@@tommyhatcher3399 Well said. No one likes to be preached to when they go see an entertaining movie especially in this genre. Sure there are good films with messages but these days they hit you over the head with it and if you don't agree 100 percent, it's like you say-You're a sexist pig! Give the character a good story and a good character arc regardless of gender and you'll have a successful movie. Going back a la Dark fate and erasing the "terrible man savior" and replacing hi with a woman just alienates your audience.
Agreed. A lot of people seem to be thinking that I don't think it should have been made. On the contrary I'm glad it was because I love it. I'm just talking story wise.
I've only seen T1 and T2. That was because I was challenged to watch them. In fact, a friend from work handed me the DVD of T1 and said: "Here. Watch it, Mike!" I liked T1, but T2 was just sort of OK. I never had any desire to see them again or see any sequels. Just not my style at all. I choose to ignore these franchises. You make some very good points here.
HI Mike. You don't really need to see any more beyond T2. They get progressively worse and insulting. I'm glad we have T2 but I'm just saying the story was finished in the first one. But it's almost not worth getting into any franchise these days. They just keep ruining them!
You make a good point Rob, I’ve always preferred the first Terminator movie more, perhaps because it was the only film in the franchise for a while and like you thought it was going to be a stand alone movie. I do enjoy them all to be fair and never considered the fact that T2 wasn’t necessary 🧐 surely they can’t ask Arnie back for another film 😬 (what about the TV show as well, there are dozens of Terminators in that 😮) take care mate👍😃👍
Some people seem to think I'm against it but they obviously didn't pay attention. I agree it's a great film and I'm glad to have it on my collection. BUt from a story point if view it was finished in the first film. Thanks ALan!
I agree i saw terminator 1 first and then seeing 2 second wasn’t much a fan of it as i was with T1 and it’s darker slash horror tone and chase along with the very believable character of Reese as a soldier with ptsd from the future I wanted more movies like this BADLY For me T1 over T2 anyday any year Iam still waiting for another horror slasher tone like T1 sci fi tone! I know I’ll get so much hate for this but oh well go suck and egg it’s my experience and opinion after all in my opinion sometimes less is better. I still have yet to watch the anime that came out recently Terminator Zero iam hearing good things about it like it sticks more to dark sci fi tones of the first terminator.
you guys forget that these guys want attention. its not about money anymore. old guy gets less sexy...how does old guy get young girls to see him as a rock star......you get your name everywhere and have jobs to offer
T1 is the best one, only the slowest of people will argue T2 is the best one. If a robot from the future was stalking me.. I'd think that is pretty scary, ah T1 is not just scifi but also a slasher & horror. T2 is watered down and removes the the fact it would be scary, making T2 only scifi & action.. it should be creepy and unsettling as well (but it never captures what T1 captured vibe wise). T2 is good, T1 is a masterpiece. The rest do not exist to me
A lot of people are expressing the horror point of view. That never occurred to me. I always saw it as a sci fi movie but I guess it does have a lot of the same qualities as a stalker/slasher type of movie.
It's shocking that with an attitude of, "anyone who disagrees with my subjective feelings must have mental defects," no one buys your garbage merch or watches your terrible videos. I mean, you seem so chill and cool. Nah, you're not the issue - it's everyone else!
they are so different in tone. just like alien and aliens. alien and t1 are essentially horror films. t2 and aliens are action films. t1 gets slept on because t2 is a cover song of t1 that is palatable for all audiences and visually captivating. t1 will give must folks paranoia lol
I agree on just T1 and T2. Because they do find the Arm and Cpu. , its like technology getting a advanced push in these findings, and getting the T1000 arriving
@@kyleday5026Not only did T3 simply rinse and repeat stuff that we’d already seen in the 2 previous movies, but it also had WAY too much humor. T1 & 2 had intensity, and NONE of that were in T3. Or well, till the end anyway. Honestly, the twist at the end was the ONLY interesting thing about that movie
Amazing. I make video after video talking about movies in a positive way and barely break 100 views. Yet a little opinion that causes a bit of controversy and I'm already over 600 in two days. I guess I'm just getting old because I don't get it.
for myself It seems like the down turn spiral of our society. All we see now are anti hero's and villains being portrayed as the hero. Even the studios do not know what a hero is, they either don't get it, or they don't like it so they want to change them because they don't believe a hero are real, they think it is silly to do the right thing. So they deconstruct them. What I loved about Batman the animated series is, that Bruce had some empathy for the villains he had to fight. He would turn them over to the police or make sure they were in Arkem. Even the joker he put away. I am old enough to remember Lynda carter wonder woman, and on that show it was not all about kicking a guy in the balls. In the current DECU they turn her into Xenia, a cool character but completely different. I feel like the aspirational hero is dying, but not to me. as other have mention I still watch and enjoy Richard donner superman , Captain American movies to keep the true hero alive
This is the world we live in now. Where once The Justice Lords in the same Justice League cartoon were looked at as an abomination of what would happen is heroes went too far, you've now got people arguing in favor of that. What came first...society's disinterest in moral heroes, or writers which removed the morality from heroes and society followed suit? How ya' been, Rob?
Remember all the fighting on those "talk" shows from the 90's? The Jerry Springers et al? Things got so negative and audiences loved it! People would say to me 'Oh it's just fun! Don't take it so seriously!" but it conditioned people to negativity. it was too much. Couple that with the growing darkness in comics with successes like Dark Knight and Watchmen and there you. And I liked Watchmen but it spread to other characters. I left comic collecting around the time they had Dr. Light rape Sue Dibney and they had Superboy Prime go psycho and punch people through the chest. Now we have movies like Venom and Joker where they treat the villains like the main protagonist that we should be interested in. And by doing so they rob us and the hero of a great opponent. I've been good! On a new diet and exercise regimen so maybe that's why I'm cranky enough about this sort of thing to make a video, short as it may be,, lol. Hope you're doing well. I haven't been able to check videos for a while but I'll try to catch up as soon as I can. In the meantime take care and thanks for the comment!
All I can say is that my heroes are in reruns and memories and sitting on the shelf in DVDs and Blu-rays. Since I don't follow the franchises, the whole thing is just a big blur for me. I like the way you concluded your video. It makes an important point.
Hey Mike, yeah I agree. It's ironic but I believe that as silly as the Adam West Batman could be at times, he's the only one that never killed anyone. Why would he when he could beat them by surfing or doing the Batuzi!
Thank God it's not the early days. Plus they changed and evolved to something more iconic. They became role models. There's a scene from Kingdom Come where Superman is trying to convince Batman to join the fight against the villains that have broken out of the gulag..."The deliberate taking of human--even SUPER human--life goes against every belief I HAVE-- AND that YOU have. That's the ONE THING we've ALWAYS had in COMMON. It's what MADE us what we ARE. " That says it all.
You can’t compare The MCU of DCU to 90’s Saturday morning cartoons. They always been killing in the comics of course and there is still plenty of violence in those cartoons. God I miss those days!
I compare them to show that there was a better way to portray true heroes instead of falling into negativity. These characters though fictional are supposed to be there for us to aspire to. Of course we all know what it would be like in real life. But in fiction they should be able to achieve more precisely BECAUSE it's fiction. Yeah, there have always been killing but not as the norm or go to solution. I remember in the 80's when they had Superman kill the 3 phantom zone criminals. I was NOT on board with that storyline at all. I felt Superman would find a better way. That's what he does. They showed that in Superman vs The Elite. But even when he killed them he suffered for it. There was a whole storyline that went om for many issues where he was tortured by what he had done and it got so bad that he developed a split personality and he became Gangbuster. But these day they just do it like it's a common thing. They should be better. Otherwise what's the difference between them and the killer "heroes" like Wolverine or the Punisher?
@@robsmoviecollection3715 So I totally missed your point first time. I get what your point now. Your saying that those particular characters were made to be morally good and have turned to something totally different these days. The exception being characters like wolverine who were created as a morally dubious character. And honestly I agree. I see them as different tho the 80’s super heroes were something for people to aspire to be but I never really connected to them. Maybe to your point I grew up in a world where people had to make morally suspect decisions all the time. People stole food to feed their family, parents lied to bill collectors, I was once detained on the street for being a a “suspicious young black male” I know people who have been out in situations where they had to decide whether to take a life or not. The Superman I identify with is the one that has to make tough choices and then suffer those consequences. The 80’s comics were great as an ideal. But wasn’t really realistic. And maybe that’s your point as well. Maybe your telling me they are fiction they aren’t supposed to hyper realistic portrayals of reality.
But again I think I helped make your point society had changed between the 80”s and 90’s. I grew up on the latter and that’s why I tend to view things through a more negative lens than the hopeful ideals of the 80’s superhero’s.
@@jojolearns I get what you're saying. When I lived in Hollywood I experienced some racism towards myself and my parents for being Hispanic and some of it was from cops,(and not white cops either). But at least for me, it made me want to see more of the ideal in fiction. The reality is all around us and I guess I feel that the more we aspire to the ideal fictionalized maybe the closer we can be to achieving it or at least something like it. Naive I suppose but can't help it . Wow, you're comments have been great. Thanks so much!
@@robsmoviecollection3715 Yea bro absolutely 💯 I actually was thinking about this I’m thought to myself why wouldn’t I prefer the more positive idealistic view point and I do. I still love my MCU but you are right about how they changed to be way more loose with the moral code lol oh yea bro great conversation thank you
But at least Wolverine has always been meant to be like that. It's his thing. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman have evolved to be icon of heroism for doing the right thing.
Nice movie haul! Yeah my Big Lots is almost vacant but i found some good titles there for cheap over the years while they had movies. Those Batman blu-rays are excellent finds with those prices. I also have that LOTR set and unfortunately it is annoying to have multiple blu-rays for each movie but i eventually got the 4K set that eliminates that nonsense.
The Big Lots where I bought this is currently at 50 percent off. So it's on the way out. They still have one or two good ones but not much quality is left. I probably won't go to 4k myself. It tends to look too clear for me. I think it's generational thing for me but it ends up looking like video tape. Just as well because I ran out of room loooong ago , lol.
Let me start off by saying that Tolkien set is fantastic! I have the series in paperback, but I've seen so many really beautiful box sets over the years. So far, I've only read The Hobbit and The Fellowship, and that was so long ago that I would need to reread them to get back into the series. I like both of those books, but didn't manage to stick with The Two Towers, so I lost my momentum. I am SO lazy when it comes to reading! After seeing the rest of your haul, I think I'll start calling you Dragon Man from now on! I've never heard of any of those books, but I must admit the Dracula series looks intriguing. Thanks for sharing, Rob!!
Thanks as always Mike! I've been collecting Tolkien editions for years now. But there always seems to be a new one! It's hard to find the time to read anything so I can relate to what you're saying. But I do like to collect them. I guess I do have a lot of Dragon books. And yet never played Dungeons and Dragons. Fred Saberhagen is a good author. Try the Dracula books someday if you can. A different look at the character. Take care Mike!
Dead and came back to life. Deadman sounds like a Zombie to me. He has a super cool look. Bizzaro also looks awesome. Burgese Meridith was the original Penguin. Still no Solomon Grundy nor Black Manta.
very cool video. I don't have the new ones, but I used to have all the original Mego figures. Planet of The Apes etc.. when I was a kid. Loved them to death, and when I wanted one that wasn't availiabe, y Mom would make small costumes for them. I once used an Aquaman figure to make a Namor figure. I always wanted Mego to do the Legion of Doom figures, but I think they weren't around anymore when that show came out? Anyway my favorites were Green Arrow and The Joker from D.C and from Marvel was Captain America, and The Thing. I loved how they molded the rock texture into his hands and forearms. I always hated that the gloves on the other heroes would split apart after extended play.
Lol, that's right! Those gloves weren't long lasting! Sound like you very DIY back in those days. I always wanted some Marvel ones but never got any. I really wanted Iron man and Spiderman. I hope Mego does some retro Marvel. Legion of Doom would be great. I tried looking around for more of those Superfriends ones like the Aquaman but couldn't find much more. Although on the back it advertises most of the team. Thanks for the comment!
Lol, it's not the greatest for sure. Honestly, I think I might have gotten it for free at my library. I have one more haul video to post them I'll start catching up on everyone's videos Bob!
