For anyone who is just watching, the wargame ended due to scope creep. I was on blue team but it’s pretty clear from looking through both team’s products that red was going to blow us out of the water. It was like day and night difference between what they had planned and what we were still doing. I suggest next time umpires do a little bit of “balancing” but that’s kinda hard when no one really knows eachother
"West German forces are often forgotten..." *Forgets West German corp* :D Just kidding, really excited I just found this channel in time for this wargame!
K question so what nesserliy is the lore is this assuming full wp mobilization like I mean divisions even cat C are at full strength troop redeployed from Chinese border etc (if we believe us estimates)between 13-20 million wp troops. partial mobilization like a soviet army size of like 7-8 million total Warsaw pact strength reaching nearly 10 million Or a quick blow were only category a maybe some soviet cat b units of the soviet and east German army's so like 700k-1.5 million wp troop I don't have discord so that's why I'm asking this here
8:15 is just horrendously and painfully inaccurate. The US took substantially more aircraft losses in Vietnam/Southeast Asia than the Soviets lost in Afghanistan, and it's not even close. Losses of fixed wing aircraft were relatively rare in Afghanistan, the Soviets lost around 450 aircraft in the entire war, ~100 fixed wing and ~300 helicopters. US air losses were atrocious. The Century Series and F4 were especially hard hit, the US lost 650 F4 Phantoms, more than all aircraft the Soviets lost in Afghanistan. The F100 (200) and F105 (400 losses, of 800 built) were both retired early because of heavy attrition. Also, 400 A4 Skyhawks, 30 B-52s, nearly 100 AC-47/119/130/47 series gunships, and over 100 heavy strategic airlifters. And rotary wing losses were several orders of magnitude worse. 300 AH-1 Cobras, 250 heavy lift helicopters, and a staggering 3200 Hueys were lost.
@@ThatGuy-fq8cnwhat do you mean?!?! i had to check if you weren't gaslighting me, but no, cause i'm learrning R*ssian too. The y most probably stands for the ij or yj at the end of most numbers like "tret [EE] [II]" or "pyat [YH] [II]". Aalso sorri fur not haveing a propper cyrryllic kwyboard, if u knoww hovv to install it on an old samsung that'd help ;w;
A note on the romanian tank situation: from what I understand romania condemned the soviet invatson of czechoslovakia so as punishment the soviets stopped giving us military technology, that's why we were stuck with T55's and MIG21's
Im really looking forward to seeing how this will play out! 8th Guards looks like a pretty big threat. Fun fact: Even though it is spelled as Chemnitz, you do actually pronounce it Kemnitz, with a pretty hard K. The germans are at it again! XD
Mm yes, today i will fail to distinguish between VSHORAD AND MRAD by putting them in the same cattegory oor between a recoilles rifle and a divisional level heavu atgm, like wtf, it's pointless!@
Motor rifle divisions should doctrinally have SA-8 regiments as well as 1 motor rifle regiment with BMPs and one with BTRs. I don't question your resurch but find this discrepancy somewhat interesring plus warsaw pact armies nearly always had 5 divisions.
I have small thought regarding wargame mapping: Modern day Fulda Gap (and East Germany in general) road network shown at Google Maps is a bit more developed than it had been in late 80s. During my Internet roaming I found some 1:1000000 topographic maps of Central Europe dated back to 1972 maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/onc/txu-pclmaps-oclc-8322829_e_2.jpg And 1:500000 maps of the Gap Area dated 1993 maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/tpc/txu-pclmaps-oclc-22834566_e-2c.jpg That seem to be quite fitting for plotting units positions and movements.
a historical source for the 3/8 and 4/8 issue is that they are in second brigade, there is only 1 cav squadron (cav tradition for battalion) per division at the time, housed in the 4th/aviation brigade, any battalions/squadrons with cavalry traditions can be assumed to fill maneuver roles, 1st cav division for example, is an armored division (at least, today it is), but every maneuver squadron has cav traditions, regardless of the units actual organization.
Towards 27 GMRSDs locations: Halle (Saale) was its main garrison and all units were actually based there, in several different barracks throughout the city. The city had a large Red Army presence during the Cold War. Halle was/ still is several times larger than any of the other, much smaller Towns and villages on the list, safe for Leipzig (Halle had somewhere around 320.000 inhabitants at that point in time)
I am happy you went into some detail with this, so often in my career gaming the Cold War people treat the Soviets as a less interesting anonymous bad guy.
@Cold_Warmaster what was so fascinating about it? the only really fascinating thing about soviet army was how much resources it got and how incompetent and neglectful it was. and of course the amount of pollution it left. i lived near one of the western border airfields. after soviets left people were going to the airfield to dig a hole and the hole was full of jet fuel in a short time. The soil was literally full of jet fuel. not to mention various dangerous metals and oil products were simply thrown out next to the airfield for decades
@historyisawesome6399 its hard to describe in a few words. it was something so special that non soviet ppl simply cant understand how it would even be possible in a sane world. The whole military was so decayed everyone knew it was only paper army with unlimited human resources ready to be sacrificed. long story short too many things were fake. from the most common stuff up to the high tech stuff. nothing worked as it should have. every single time something was broken. so broken that any simple usage was complicated or impossible. low quality, not enough resources and capabilities to fix properly. i suggest to watch papersky to have a basic idea with examples. some of his videos are about soviet aviation and what a joke it was. btw aviation was top in resources in military. one of the best videos of soviets keeping one of their worst military planes in service just because it used vodka as a cooler and nobody even in top command didnt want to cut this opportunity for pilots and personnel to get free vodka. not only to drink but as a good for trade. everything u could theft from factory or military had an value and were traded for everything else stolen from factories and military. like vodka for theatre tickers or paint for nails or fabrics for motor oil and so on. too many things were impossible to buy in shops most of the time so they were stolen and traded between ppl who btw were extremely poor. and yes vodka was top level currancy like cigaretes in jail. everyone top priority was about how to make misrable life a little bit easier by stealing not about how to defend teritory
BTR-60s following T-80s... I am a little preplexed myself, that and the lack of T-64s comes as a bit of a shock. I know the BTR-70s were not exactly blessed with favourable reliability or desirability but the 60s are an odd one.
@@Cold_Warmaster right, T-80s didn't filter through much till the T-80BV and T-80U. The initial sans suffix and 80Bs weren't fully seen as improvements and the ERA was thought to be too heavy for the 64s, after that got proven otherwise the 64AV and BV still were surprisingly strong in numbers.
Theoretically shouldn't the 82nd airborne appear as within 7 days 2 brigade's of the 82nd would be deploys In Europe(the entire division could be deployed within the timescale of the wargame of they were put on increased readiness)
I was with 7th Corp from April 88 to June 90. Was with 3rd Infantry Division and primarily stationed in Schweinfurt. 2/30 and 5/15 Infantry . Our AO was between Coburg and Hof if anything ever went down. Was bizarre to be there especially when the wall fell.
@@albemonta8591 No. They form the base of the system I have built and are mostly on the backend, which I will handle. I am also working on rules documents for the command staff.
I served in 2nd Bgde, 3rd Armd Div (AD) stationed at Coleman Kaserne, Gelnhausen from Dec '86 to May '89. Early in '87 the two armored battalions, 1 Bn/33rd Armd Rgt and 3/33 Armd transitioned in name only to the 3rd Bn/8th Cav and 4/8 Cav respectively. We kept the same armored battalion TO&E which was the M1-IP with 105mm gun. In Dec that year we re-equiped to the M1A1 with the 120mm. Rumor was 3rd AD was to be rotated back to the States, and we were to become 1st Cav Div (33 Armd Rgt is a historical unit with 3AD, as 8th Cav Rgt is for 1st Cav Div,) but this never happened. Again, for all intents and purposes we remained Armor battalions, and never took on Cav squadron organization. Around mid 1988, the scout platoons of the Armd Bns received Bradleys as did the entire 1st Bn/48th Inf. The name transition 1/48 to 4th Bn/18th Inf occured after I left in May '89 but before all of 3AD was pulled out of Germany for Desert Storm. I can't provide documentation, but I lived it, and hope that helps clear up some of the questions re: unit names and equipment. Also, the Cav Bn stationed up in Buedingen still had M60s and were organized with the mixed platoons of 2 tanks, 2 M113s, and 1 M113 with the 120mm mortar until the transition to the M1A1 and Brads. I don't think they kept the mixed Armd Cav Plt org at that point.
I was with 1st Bde 3Ad at Ayers Kaserne in Kirchgoens from 86 to 88. We were still fielding the M1A1 (105mm L7) at the time with 113s for the Inf bats although we were slated to receive the Brads at some unspecified date in the future. Plenty of M901s in the to&e which suited us fine as our AOR was the Eiterfeld Bowl through Bad Hersfeld region. We would deeply then wait for the 11th to get done with covering force operations then execute a passage of lines with us (what was left) and then it'd be our turn. Largest combat brigade in the whole Army at the time. Probably last a day...maybe, is what we thought.
@@Mechanized85 then we must have been running stock M1s. I remember the discussions during our wargaming exercises about the adequacy of our 105s to defeat the T80s that we knew the 8th Guards Army units we were facing especially as the intell showed them deploying reactive armor on them as well. Ahhh well, we were going to do what we were going to do regardless.
