"it worth it?" Depends. For 20 bucks, sure, it could be a foundation for a useful little linux-based mini server. Anything above it: absolutely not. 1151v1 is predestined to be an 4C/8T platform not to mention that Windows 11 does not support it officially.
I know it is picky and requires two drives connected to the M.2 slots. From the specs the MT does not seem to have two M.2 drive slots so it may not be supported.
for people who put 2 drives in these machines and install proxmox and then create ZFS raid0/1, should know that zfs will eat bunch of ram, multiple gigabytes in fact, so using hardware raid is a good option to save that memory.. (but lose zfs features)
Thanks for the video. It didn't work for me. I tried to put an i7 9709f in an Elite Desk 800 SSF G4 and at the beginning I got 3 short beeps and 5 long ones and I couldn't boot.
Nice video! In my experience with the Optiplex micros, I've found that the lower end models have cheaper VRM, and fewer IO options. I wouldn't be surprised to see HP doing the same.
Crazy. I was surprised that part surfer still had it. I first thought $13 was high on eBay and then saw it other places for $60. On place had it for $9 but wanted $10 to ship it.
Great Price on that pickup. Love the different models you find, and feature on here. I've been looking at HP thin clients that are interesting, the thicker ones actually have an internal riser, and PCI-E slot. That would be a neat series if you run out of DMs Material :) I'm interested in the 705 series of EliteDesks as well. They seem to be excellent emulation machines with the Vega Graphics.
I was tempted by those thin clients too. Every review of that add on GPU for the 705 has not been too glowing. I did have one for the 800 G4 but I couldn't get it to work.
@@handmedowntech I wonder if it is the refurb people who pull the heatsink to repaste. or the ones who sell the barebones take them out and forget to put them back.
I've always seen 4.62 for the 65w units. Even older generations. Check out the pics for this listing. www.ebay.com/itm/176573864151?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=nn4BN22YR4O&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=AkrMEZQLSEC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY it shows the 4.62. if you've seen differently please let me know. Thanks for watching the channel.
Excellent video, last year I bought a second-hand HP ProDesk, it is a Prodesk 600 G6 SFF, and I have the same problem, the motherboard does have an M.2 port for an NVME disk, but sadly it is not bootable either. I can't find it anywhere, could the tutorial be extrapolated for my type of HP? I say this because the command to copy the BIOS may be heavier, or may be somewhere else in the memory.
Thank you for nice review! One thing if you test it with original hynix 128g m2 ssd, you will notice terrible write performance, i guess hp saved money to put absolutely crappiest m2 drive available. firmware upgrade wont help, so add extra $ to total cost to purchase another ssd.
@@handmedowntech I just found your video on the windows key from 6 months ago and was about to delete my question. Thank you though!! Great channel as a resource. I quit HP after a elitedesk 800 g2 sff. no m.2 and no windows key plus some really weird stuff to me as an old HP model user. Towers were my thing from the core 2 duo through the z series workstations. 1 desktop made me a hater almost lol. I just started with minis.. but Dell and Lenovos only so far. but looks like i will binge your all HP mini channel and learn what I need and what to avoid. awesome job!!!
Brilliant series of videos. I binge-watched a bunch of them the other day (2x speed). I acquired an HP 800 G3 with Win11 licence pre-installed. 1. If upgrading the M.2 2280 SSD from 256GB to 1 TB, should it be possible to clone the old drive and retain the complete Windows installation? Is it worthwhile upgrading RAM from 16 to 32GB? 2. Lacking imagination beyond using the unit as a second computer, I'm curious to learn from you (and/or other readers) a range of practical applications for these minis. For example, as part of a security system, network for remote sensing (eg. temperature, humidity), NAS etc? Any direction/guidance would be appreciated. I might want to use/access mine in another country, so vPro would be useful/essential?
Thank you for watching and watching 😉. You can look into clonezilla. I've used it before to increase the size of the drive I was booting from. These units are great for things like proxmox and playing with virtual machines. This allows for experimenting with different Linux distros. I also use one as a backup NAS via external USB drives
The 32gb would definitely come in handy if using proxmox. I've used the extra memory when installing things like trials of Windows Server or full blown Linux versions of SQL Server or MySql. You could check out RAID Owl or Hardware Haven for more ideas on actual uses of the units.
There are some environments where a USB dongle is either not supported or not recommended. Plus if you want or desire an Intel chipset for networking it is near impossible to find a USB tingle that uses it.
You could use link aggregation with 2 adapters however it requires a managed Ethernet switch to divide the traffic. I don't think it's supported in plain windows maybe server but it for sure works in Proxmox. There are reasons you could want a PC on 2 LAN for sure. If you could find a 2.5gig or 5gig adapter that fit in there that would be awesome. This would make a cool pfsense router but would be a waste of resources unless it was an old i3. My original plan was to do this for my home router however I liked the small PC's for other things even replaced my desktop at office with one. I hated to chuck a good elitedesk on a shelf and forget about it. I found Sophos routers on eBay for like $30 with 4 Ethernet ports which makes a better solution. You can find instructions to install pfsense or opensense on the sophos router which is totally awesome. The Sophos has a yearly subscription to be useful so folks chuck them and get something else once that bill comes. Ths sophos is a x86 pc with 4-8 intel interfaces and will run any operating system that runs on intel once you break the proprietary firmware loose. These little boxes are so much fun.
Got a HP Elite Mini 600 G9. Do have problems with it overheating. Replaced the thermal paste (cpu grease for us oldies!!) and it seems to have stabilized. Anyone else have these problems? Appreciate the video. Thanks for the pointers. I just hope mine is going to stabalize.
The overheating will be due to the turbo. looking at some specs. Intel® Core™ i5-12400T is 35w and 74w at max turbo. Intel® Core™ i5-12400 Processor is 65w and 117w under max turbo. So under turbo, that a lot of heat to try and get rid of, if the CPU is under a sustained turbo load. Even the I3s are toasty boys for 12 Gen. Even with a copper cooler like previous 65w generations, the lastest CPUs are too hot for the constrained space of a one litre chassis. There is not enough mass or space in the cooling system, for the size of the case. The best you can probably do it limit the CPU frequency in software.
Amps x Volts = Watts if not labeled that is how you know. (19.5V X 7.7A = 150.15W) (19.5V X 4.62A = 90.09) etc IF processor is 35W + 2x 1.5V Dimms + 5 volt 2.5" HDD/SSD etc etc obviously a 35 or 45 will not work. AND how confusing they make it sometimes using Volts Sometimes AMPS and sometimes watts for those that dont know how those relate. Sometimes no boot and error code , sometimes a CPU throttling happens putting it in Limp mode at around 0.80 MHz. a 65W or even a 90W should fix this. using a 130W on a machine that only NEEDS a 65W to run is fine more is available but the unit will only draw what it needs .... dont worry about frying the unit because of an over sized brick. the brick does not PUSH 130 W into a machine needing 65 W thus burning it up. some people freak out about that. it is having a power brick with not enough capacity to give the machine what it is calling for. also if your killawatt shows under load you are drawing say 52W on a 65W brick... you are not maxing it out, but you are making it work up close to its capacity and maybe running hot. I would recommend just bumping up to a 90W adapter and letting it max out at just over half capacity and run cooler and last longer. You can always do math or guess but if you must know, go to the OEM page and look up the model and see what size came with the unit. If you are brand loyal and have multiple like this creator does, I do recommend LABELS in BIG letters to easily tell what capacity each is. I know for SOME that dont use this math a lot it gets confusing. it is essentially the same at home though. your house has 110V Power in the USA. your dryer may use 220V though lol its just 2 - 110V lines you will see a 2 space breaker is all.. but a portable heater on the box tells you it 1500W soooo uhhhh. same as a hairdryer. but the microwave is 1150W. so you go check the circuit panel and it says its a 20 AMP line WTF? lol they dont make it easy that way. Again AVW A x V = W and at your home 110 V is constant value. Each breaker tells you max across each circuit in amps So 110V x 15A = 1650W so the heater or hair dryer will work but if anything else is on that circuit, it might trip. and 110V x 20A = 2200W so on a standard single breaker 2200 watts is MAX total for that circuit. you cant run the heater and the hairdryer at full power together which is 3000W. Not talking down to anyone, just want to take some guess work out and show that once you learn how to do the very simple math, it works from house circuits to small computer stuff. it works the other way also... going FROM WATTS just DIVIDE will your 1150 W microwave work on a circuit? 1150W / 110V = 10.45A on a 20A breaker is fine even a 15 A BUT you have to add the other things on the same circuit and total them to see if all can run at same time. JUST LIKE one the computer with a CPU RAM HDD/SSDs video card etc. again not talking down to those that know this stuff and dont feel bad if you dont. I just helped a neighbor with this formula and MADE him on paper do the conversions in front of me until I saw his lightbulb go off. lol he had overloaded several circuits in his OLD house on old panel and just couldte figure out all the circuits tripping when something turned on while something else was running. we traced and labeled everything, ... well started labeling appliances but as we were he got very comfortable at figuring out what each value was that he didnt need to. in just a couple hours he was ballparking each value in his head.
I can tell you from experience that a i5 9500t worked and a i7 9700k, the over clocking CPU, did not work. So if you have access to a free 9700t then give it a go, or if you're willing to take a chance and buy one then please let me know how it turns out since others have also asked about it.
@@handmedowntech after contemplating the possibility, I think I can get away with replacing i5 8500 with i5 9500 as it is almost identical in terms of cores and threads. But I don't know if it will be any difference in Mini comparing to my SFF though
Here’s a boomer take: These retro pc tech channels are my version of ASMR videos. It’s comforting and enjoyable to see folks doing these projects. And yes, even as a retired engineer, this is my version of ‘working on old cars’ just the same as our host here. Nice job.
@handmedowntech is any software to control the fan speed curve of any of the HP EliteDesk or Prodesk machines? Looking to put the fan to zero when the system is idle, which never happens, even if the system is pulling 2 watts from the wall. Specifically the HP Prodesk 400 G4 DM
I know earlier units allowed for setting the fan speed in the BIOS. I know I tried running speedfan on a G3 or G4 and it couldn't see the fans. I'll see if anything turns up.
I've had my g1 since 2013. Upgraded to 16 GB of ram and added (3) Sandisk Extreme SSD 2TB units. Not one problem in all of these years! THX for your videos!
@@handmedowntech I have a 240W brick for my Dell Precision laptop. it has higher TDP CPU and 4 RAM slots, 3 drive bays, an MXM video card on board and so many ports for additional devices, so it would come with a 180W or 240W . also for your HP line I just picked up a 200 W HP adapter for a HP elitedesk G1 USDT. a 130 worked with a pentum and a laptop drive, but I put in a 2.5 and a mSata and a video card and max memory plus max CPU. damn thing just beeped at me. thought I bought bad parts... turns out I went over the 130 W capacity. the 200W made it happy again. I dont like angry PCs or girlfriends. just give em what they want and make em happy!! lol
YES. the brick CAN give as much as 230W but if the machine is only drawing 70 or 90 or 120 under load and say 42 at idle, then than any adapter rated higher than your max draw will give it what it wants. a 230W does not push 230 into it and fry it if that is your concern.
@@tumirin4625 its not a 1L micro. old ultra small desktop. used an MXM style laptop GPU. getting a heat sync was a pain and I did all sorts of illegal and immoral things to wire up a fan for it. and duct tape. lol
Nice Thumbnails! Wanted to ask you if you ever had a bad SO-DIMM Slot? I appear to have one on my G1, it is the top Slot. I have cleaned, and inspected it, but can't see any damage to the pins. Using 8GB DIMMS, they both work on DIMM-1, but not 3. Even in Single Channel Mode. So I have a G1 running on 8GB Max. Not sure if I'll try to source a replacement board or not.
Your channel inspired the change 😀. I've been lucky in that regard. No bad slots so far but I did have bad memory. Made the fan spin crazy fast until I killed the power. Have you tried different RAM?
@@handmedowntech That may be worth a shot. Didn't think I had to see that the 8GB worked in the first slot. Maybe there is a compatibility thing with Dual Channel, its been awhile since I used to study this stuff :)
@@handmedowntech Glad I was able to inspire :) Your channel is great. Just cleaned up an oddball G3 705 A10 9700E AMD. Four Cores, and an SSD drive, with get this 2 petabytes of storage written to it...what the heck ?! 13% life left. This thing was used hard. Still works...but I'm not putting it anywhere near mission critical stuff.
@@handmedowntech I saw a video of a person having trouble with their G1 DM, but they said by just moving the Dimms around it worked. So I took mine and began testing it again. Found out it was indeed a bad module, not a bad slot. I must have mixed up the two while testing them. The bad module did not work in either slot, while the other worked in both.
I've had good experiences running windows 11 from the G1 all the way to the G5. In a future video I hope to cover the issues with windows 11 and older units.
Hello! How did you get to install Windows 11 Pro without a problem on a 6th generation CPU? Did you use one of those tricks to install Windows 11 for unsupported hardware? Which one? I have an i7-6700 HP SFF and it passes all the requirements except for the CPU. Microsoft says supported hardware are those with 8th generation and higher Intel CPUs.
I actually just use the same SATA drive when I do my testing of new units I buy. Windows will even pull down new drivers based on what it sees on the machine. I recently created a second drive and had no issue doing the install. Unfortunately I can't quite remember which machine I used though 😉. My advice would be to grab the latest ISO for Windows 11 from Microsoft. Create a bootable USB drive or better yet look into using Ventoy, which I use. Use the drive to install a fresh copy onto your NVME or SATA drive.
Just make sure you are getting what you need. Lots of them are missing components like WiFi. And there are sometimes different port configurations on the back.
I picked up a 35W model a few months ago. I installed a 512GB SSD and Linux Mint Debian Edition, and it flies. Really nice machine if you can get a good price.
When I saw your question I realized you grabbed it from the part of the video where I show the underside of the top cover. I decided to test the system by installing Windows 11 - the system grabbed the internal license key and I now have Windows 11 Pro running on the 260 G1
I just fired up my G2 and it has TPM 2.0 - you may need to use the HP TPM Configuration Utility to upgrade from 1.2 to 2.0. I tried looking for a link but I think HP must be doing maintenance today because I keep getting the "We're Sorry" page with a gal looking at mockups of a magazines or something. Hopefully they'll fix that.
The 260 G3 does have some good going for it - the front looks different than the other HP G3 minis and it comes with a M.2 slot on all the units - plus the innards look much like an EliteDesk. I'll keep my eyes open for a deal.
@@handmedowntech I got an additional offers, so, now, I need to choose among elitedesk 800 g3 mini 4gb ram 320gb hdd vs prodesk 600 g3 8gb ram 500gb hdd vs hp 260 g3 4gb ram with no ssd/hdd, all with same price 🤦♂️😂 Which one is the best in your personal opinion?
