The irony being that Jacob bringing the candidiates to the Island after hearing about them in the past including Sayid is the reason Ben being so corrupt sfter behng shot by him and healed by the water/MiB. Lol
This scene made me realize something crucial about Ben and Juliet's relationship. They were actually kindred spirits. They were the both sides of the same coin. They were one of a kind. Just like Juliet, Ben was battling with self-esteem issues. He's spent years following Jacob's orders and doing unforgivable things to his service to the island. But in the end it was all for nothing because his loyalty was never respected. He felt Locke was trying to take his place as the protector of the island so he came to resent Locke for that. The truth was Ben knew more about the island than Locke. So thoroughly Ben felt betrayed. I believe the real reason why Juliet came to hate Ben was because she saw herself in him. She could relate to him. She's always felt inferior and receiving any kinds of a appreciation or respect for her loyalties. That's why Ben became obsessed with her because he saw himself in her too. Plus she also reminded him of that blonde woman who worked at the motor pool at the Barracks before he was shot by Sayid in 1977. He remembers Juliet from 1977.
Ben's story arc ties into what Jacob told Richard almost 2 centuries earlier about wanting the people he brought onto the island helping themselves. It was all meaningless if he stepped in. MiB found that loophole with Richard and it took him that long to carry out his brother's death. Every candidate had mental, psychical, or psychologically problems but Ben had a metaphorical defect, the blind worshipper. Ben was used and even the island tried to step in when it refused to heal him, que Jack's introduction to the Others.
Jacob doesn't want to have to convince anyone to do the right thing, even if that is often not the best idea as shown here. It's also possible that Jacob wanted to die.
Bro Ben is a savage. Dude killed some pretty damn powerful people. Keamy is a super solider. Widmore has tons of power and sway in the world. Jacob is an ageless protector of an endless energy source. Ben is just some fucking nerd and he dominates the island I love it
My theory: Jacob deliberately goaded Ben into stabbing him. Since Jacob and MIB were both bound by “the rules” to not hurt each other, the only way to kill MIB for good was to get a new protector not bound by “the rules”. And for that to happen, Jacob had to die.
Kinda just realised that Jacob actually chose to get killed here, he is 2000 years old and as we have seen before he is very good at fighting, but he didn't even try to resist, he just stood there and took the stabs, kinda even deliberataly triggered ben into doing it. Because he somehow knew it was the only way to make this endless curse finally end.
@@exiaR2x78 He set up every single event. He ignored Ben and treated him that way all those years specifically because he knew MIB would try to manipulate people into killing him. He created the rift between him and Ben so that Ben would be someone MIB would look to manipulate, but it was all part of Jacob's plan. MIB even knew this somewhat, but he also hoped that Jacob would make a mistake that would allow him to win despite Jacob's plans. A lot of the things Jacob did to set things up, was actually after he was killed here. Even though he was dead, for a time, his spirit was free to time travel, and that's the Jacob you see every time he meets someone off the island before they ever even came to the island. He visits them to set the chain of events in motion. He might even be able to go back and change things if they don't turn out like how he wanted, so killing Jacob was never a useful thing to MIB, because Jacob always had the ability to go back in time after being killed. Which means he could tweak how things went, to get a different outcome, and MIB could have had him killed a dozen different times in a dozen different ways by a dozen different people, with MIB not realizing that Jacob was always able to go back and tweak things regardless of what MIB did. For Jacob, it was merely finding the right tweak of events to get the outcome he wanted. So Jacob was essentially in a time loop after he died, but one he could control, not the type where you're destined to repeat the same events over and over.
Jacobs response was perfect, exactly what a weasel gamma like Ben needs to here that your not the center of the universe boy.....Jacob true alpha dude for sure, I love Ben to just being honest. This also helped Ben to finally man up down the road to.
In retrospect, the scene makes very little sense. Jacob was perfectly capable of defending himself as he proved with Richard and he knew Ben was there to kill him and the MiB couldn't intervene. He should pummelled Ben, or at least disarmed him as he easily did with Richard.
Poor Ben this might actually be the most relatable speech of all time. "What was it that was so wrong with me?" That is a truly haunting question, and if anyone ever has to ask it you know destiny has decided to be cruel to you.
Jacob was a selfish, self-righteous asshole who believed he was the good guy and brought people to the island to show to his brother, the man in black, that humans weren't all as bad as his brother said they were. The man in black knew the nature of humans, was wiser than Jacob, was smarter than Jacob, hell, he was even older than Jacob. He and Jacob were never supposed to be on the island, but their pregnant mother was shipwrecked and they were born on the island, and the previous guardian immediately killed their mother selfishly, in the hopes of raising the two boys up to one day take the guardian's place as the new guardian. The man in black, Jacob's brother, knew they didn't belong on the island, knew the guardian woman wasn't their mother as she lied about, and was just trying the entire time to go back home, to go back to where he belonged, and ASSHOLE Jacob wouldn't let him. Let's not forget that Jacob tried to murder his brother and ended up instead accidentally turning him into the smoke monster. How can people not realize this? The good guy was THE MAN IN BLACK! The bad guy was JACOB, all along! Self-righteous pretentious asshole with a god-complex vs. normal brother just trying to go home to his real family.
To think Cuse and Lindelof were going to write out ‘Henry Gale’ after a handful of episodes. I’m glad they saw Emerson for the uniquely talented actor that he is.
That's insane. Ben is one of the most instrumental characters on the show. Without him, the story would have had to go in a completely different direction.
@@RunstarHomernot really, they likely would’ve just gotten a different person to play Ben, who would’ve been different than Henry Gale. still i doubt they would’ve been as good at playing it as Emerson
The guy waited 25 years to see Jacob, got ignored at every turn does a really sad speech and all Jacob answers is "What about you ?" I would have stabbed him too lol
"What about you ?" meant "Your actions define you". What Ben was about to do would tell him everything he needed to know because only someone’s choices matter. That’s what Jacob was trying to say. Unfortunately, Ben didn’t get it and thought he meant he didn’t give a shit about him and his hurt feelings.
The pha king gal and hubris of Ben. He's killed people out of pettiness. Condemned the freighter full of Oceanic survivors fleeing Keamy's assault team to get blown up. He lied and cheated and manipulated for power. He beat and tortured James and made Kate watch just so Jack would do the surgery, making Jack see Kate and Sawyer together, knowing Jack loved Kate...only to break Jack's spirit. Ben possessively controlled Juliet, displaying Goodwin's dead body to her to make her feel trapped with him. Ben shot Locke and left him for dead in the ditch with the rest of the Dharma bodies...only because Locke heard "Jacob". They kidnapped Walt to get Michael to free Ben and bring Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley to them, so they could torture Sawyer to get Kate to beg Jack to do the surgery on Ben. Ben has some serious gall and temerity to expect a private face to face session with Jacob after all that!
Ben lied, manipulated, killed, tortured, abused, beat etc., to stay in power...to remain as the leader of the others. Ben didn't care if all the Oceanic survivors or the folks in Dharmaville got killed. He was only out for himself. WHY WOULD Jacob want to see someone like HIM!
There's one thing about this that always was weird to me. The MIB and Jacob have this rule where they can't kill each other, right. So MIB's grand plan that's taken him centuries to figure out is just to let someone else kill Jacob. That's probably the very first solution you'd think of if you were the MIB. And it's not like it takes someone super tough or special; Ben was able to kill him with a pocket knife. He surely would have been able to talk one of the dudes on the Black Rock in to shooting Jacob with a musket.
billygowhoop and the other funny thing is.Jacob was still alive after getting stabbed..it was getting burned alive that killed him when MIB kicked him in...MIB actually killed him
"What about me?". Who among us has not had a girl in our lives who made us ask that question. Or "what was it that was so wrong with me?". Two very relatable lines
Does anyone find this scene similar to the one from The Leftovers when Matt confronts God (David Burton)? They both claimed being loyal and sacrificing their lives for the greater good, soon to be realized all they did they did mostly for themselves although in different fashion.
