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I don't have a problem with companies that want to use a subscription model, you can choose to use it or not. However I have a huge problem with the way Reason Studios treats it's customers specifically the perpetual license owners that bought reason, owned a license and invested huge sums into the Reason Eco system (i.e. Rack Extensions) only to be shat on as soon as the company decided they wanted to go to a subscription model. Not only that their support is terrible, they treat you like a criminal despite spending thousands of dollars legitimately on their products. Reason Studios is a huge no from me, I owned Reason from version 1 through to 11 and every iteration in between and bought hundreds of RE, then get treated like shit when it came time for license upgrades all because I didn't want to go to their subscription model. They can get in the bin. There are plenty of decent DAW's out there where the company doesn't treat you like crap.
My last upgrade was reason 11 suite exactly when 12 came out, so my upgrade to 12 was free. I upgraded when it was.worth it to me. Im only missing 5 device's and i dont need any more.
It wasn't fair for me to vent my annoyance at you in your last video, honestly thought you were a paid shill by reason. I apologise for that. I did buy Reason 12 and yep I just bought the chord sequencer. Very underwhelmed by the fact that to have something that I feel is worth it I have to forget that I've already paid out a large sum of money and go subscription to basically buy it again plus some other stuff. I can't believe they don't do some sort of crossgrade from perpetual to subscription. no way I'm going to buy any more rack stuff as I know they are going to stitch me with less and less each upgrade. I wish Robotic Bean would release Step Sequencer for vsti format.
They are way too precious with their walled garden with buy or subscription-in the Reason DAW at a minimum. Even if you just want to use their devices as a plugin in another DAW you still need to pay for Reason. There's money to be made if they would sell their devices outside that requirement.
Although I'm not an FL Studio user, I like their business model. They offer free lifetime updates to the software and offer a subscription only for there plugins. I hate Reason Studios' business model and slow development of Reason. I still can't fathom why they removed favorites for devices from v13.
I'm tired of the subscription BS companies trying to push on users! Too many subscriptions and all are designed for a single purpose: to milk more money out of customers! Subscribers more often than not will forget to cancel subscriptions in time when they don't need them and that's one of the main takes of why companies convert to subscriptions! The whole charade with the devices you're not getting on a perpetually paid upgrade evaded my since I have these REs already but that looks like a very scummy way of getting users to switch to subscription! Shame on you RS!
I paid for a year of Reason Plus. As soon as you cancel, you lose access to all of the combinators that you download through the subscription. You also can’t open songs that you made with the latest version of reason with your older version. So you pay for a year but then get nothing in return. It would be better if they let you keep the sound packs or if they had some type of rent to own model that credits you towards the full license.
I've had the perpetual since version 2.5. I dont like the subscription model and the $200 upgrade for a synth, delay, utilities and a floating browser, while losing favorites, is not ideal for me. I love a larger % of what Reason does but this upgrade is not ideal for me.
yes, it's always only half-finished and implemented...and it takes an eternity until something is integrated...if at all. I always wonder what they do all the time... not much comes out of it... always just the absolute minimum... we don't need any new effects and synth... there are 1000 and much better ones. I've been using version 2.0 for a while and at the moment I'm still on version 10.0. I won't update either. Maybe it's time to change the DAW
Perpetual is the way to go. I use Akai promo codes to get Reason+ free for 6 months and then wait for upgrade sales. FL cloud is the only subscription I would consider as they don't charge for upgrades and I want to support this brilliant Belgian company
Hi. I am a Reason user since v 6.5 and and i put a lot of money in each a every upgrade. I think it is not fair for old users the price they charge for The upgrade and lack of feactures compare to The subscrition. Shame on them. Best regards from Portugal
I'm new to Kontakt. I'm now on Kontakt 7, v 7.10.5. But if I want to get Komplete 14 standard, a $200 upgrade, I'm going to need to buy a $100+ external hard drive.
I only use the RRP so Reason 13 will be an absolute hard pass for me. I have way too many other VST's to begin with. I really like the Reason Players and the synths, so I will run Reason 12 for as long as I can. Thanks for all you do for us!
We don’t think you’re a shill man. We know where to go for that. I don’t think most people begrudge you for getting some “free” stuff while you’re busy covering the constant flow of new releases. The fact is, no one would do this if there were nothing in it for them. You always broach the question “is it right or not for you?” and I believe your sincerity shines through. Keep it 🆙
I hope nobodey came down harshly against you personally Jeff. You've allways been clear that you dont want anyone to spend $$ on anything they dont need or isnt right for them. You give good well intentioned reviews and tutorials. Not your fault these companies are moving further and further away from what people want, and more towards pushing customers into shelling out a constant stream of money to them.
I don’t think most people realize how little money there is to be made from RU-vid videos for the vast majority of creators. If one would calculate it as an hourly wage, it would be minuscule. So without getting free stuff, many creators probably wouldn’t be able to afford to get the stuff they showcase or review. An added complexity is, when creators get a fully loaded deluxe version of a product, and often have to make their videos before the official release. So they may not have easy access to knowing what is not included in lesser versions. Or even what the final prices are. So RU-vid creators/influencers as well as their viewers are a bit between a rock and a hard place in trying to figure out, if something is worth their money.
Great! I just installed Cubase 13 Artist and got NI M32 + Komplete Select 14, so this video is very handy! Grabing popcorn right now to watch it thoroughly. Thank you! 🙂
In 2022 I bought Reason+ for a year for $99 on their black Friday sale. My goal was to subscribe to Reason + for a year and see if I wanted to buy it because subscribing to a DAW is not acceptable for me as you have to maintain a subscription to open your old projects even if you decide to switch to another daw in the future. And when I saw everything that wasn’t part of Reason 12 and had to be bought separately I stopped using it because $500 for the base software plus all the extras I wanted would have cost me almost $900. And even at that price you don’t have everything you have on Reason +. This makes Reason way too expensive for what it is if you choose the perpetual license. The same things go for plugin subscriptions, I don’t like it. The only subscription I have is for samples libraries because if you unsubscribe, you still have access to the samples you downloaded, you don’t have to maintain a valid subscription to open your old projects. A subscription for a DAW is moronic IMO because all your music is in a format that requires a subscription for you to have access to. With plugins, you can still open your project and with a little work you can replace the plugins you no longer have access to. But with the daw itself you are fucked if you want to unsubscribe.
There is a comparison page linked when you select "What do I get when I upgrade to Reason 13?" in the FAQ that lists what's included in Reason 6 to 12, Reason 13 and Reason+, but it's not VERY easy to find from the home page. My issue with the subscription is there is only one option. I think many more long-time users would consider subscribing if there was a cheaper option that includes everything except sound packs, which could be available separately allowing you to buy only whichever ones you want. The cost of the subscription, for the first time you subscribe at least, should also be discounted by various amounts based on which devices you have already paid for separately. In terms of what's new in 13, I think there's been too much emphasis on new devices in recent releases and not enough new or improved features. I'm still undecided about upgrading, though that's partly because I'm not making music full time. I've used Reason because I prefer its visual style to DAWs where everything looks exactly the same. But I don't enjoy editing in it. They really need to bring Reason up to par with other DAWs if they want to regain market share. It's a shame they're sticking so steadfastly (unreasonably?) to what many users say is a bad business model. And not offering the same 20pc off upgrades for a limited time gives a clear message to perpetual users just how much we mean to them.
I upgraded Cubase Pro for 1/3 and they also gave extra free 3rd party plugins on top of it. As a rack user $200 is a bad joke. R15 maybe, if it is still possible to buy, but that will not be until 2027!? Good Lord, Reason really push the R+ so hard we all gonna leave... For new buyers it is $500, but then the most interesting devices are not included, so it will be $1000 to get it. Yeah, that is way off in today's market... And nothing for years of loyalty, just R+...
I have R12 and will stay with it. I was on the last round of Beta for R13 and aside from the things you mentioned there were no groundbreaking advances. The sticker shock of $199 for the upgrade did me in. I may wait till the newness factor of the release subsides and they have a Black Friday special and drop the price. That Polytone synth though was sweet. But then so are the 100 others I have that do the same thing.
Problem with the subscription is that they don't release instruments or devices enough to justify it. When they released Reason 11 Suite back when, I bought it, and I bought Friktion and most of the other REs. I'm on Reason 12 now. So other than the instrument and the delay in Reason 13, the only thing I don't have is Objekt. I might buy Objekt. I'm gonna skip Reason 13 and catch up with it' when it's a more valuable offer. Reason+ only makes sense if you didn't buy perpetual licenses for years and don't have most of what they offer in the subscription.
The value for Reason just isn't there considering FL Studio has lifetime free updates and there point updates are bigger than full versions of Reason. I'm glad they've updated their sequencer, but there are so many better options comparatively.
I invested a whole lot of money into the Reason ecosystem for each and every update of the perpetual license and each and every rack extension be it from Reason Studios or from 3rd party developers. With the constant pressure of pushing people towards the subscription based model, Reason 12 was the last time I payed for an update. With the release of Reason 13 I left this train not willing to support this business model anymore. I do this with a heavy heart because Reason was always my weapon of choice but I can no longer justify spending money for a product where I no longer agree with the product strategy of the company. Thanks Jef for doing this video.
Yep with you on that, I feel stupid having put money into the paid version and only use it now for the Robotic Bean Step Sequencer. If they ever bring that out as a vst then I'll stop using Reason altogether. I'm not paying £199 for an update that is so meh that it should have been given away.
Jef, you're DEFINITELY not a shill. Thank you SO MUCH for all of the amazing work you've done for us. Reason Studios is heading dangerously close to the direction AVID/Protools went. They are behind in their offerings yet believe that they are somehow entitled to subscriptions while very vague regarding their languages on offerings. Reason Studios has always been a relatively cool solution. HOWEVER, I (and likely many others) are exhausted by having to parse through all of the "offerings" details, as though we are contracts attorneys who love to subject ourselves to punishing & exhaustive reading, to assure we aren't getting screwed over. If they don't want to provide us what is current when we purchase the perpetual license... then I refuse to buy it. Therefore, they'll get NO money from many of us... which they seem to disregard. Somehow so much focus is on repetitive payments, that they are blinding themselves toward 1x payments. And that's ok. They don't want my money... then I won't force them to take it. Thank again, for ALL you do for us.
I understand why people don't want to subscribe. I still use Reason 10 and only bought the chords player. I've gotten hundreds of hours of enjoyment from this software and I'm considering paying to upgrade it. I don't think $200 is too much to ask for all that's included in this upgrade. Considering the amount of time I spend using it.
I think the point here is that many people have invested for years into the Reason ecosystem, buying Rack Extensions and version upgrades and feel like Reason Studios will eventually try to go subscription only, leaving those behind who are already invested. Also, the upgrade price of $199 (US) is way to steep for what they're offering, when it used to be $129 iirc. So, unless you've already accumulated a lot of extensions, the upgrade is not worth it at all. It does become cheaper however if you skip a version (or a few) and then upgrade. I'm still on 11 suite and will wait till v14 to upgrade (unless they offer a discount).
Seems like a good time and place to add my chorus of simple distaste for the upgrade pricing. That’s all that is on my mind with reason. Cuba’s upgrade price is so much nicer.
You are great and I appreciate the information and transparency. They, however, are asking $199 to upgrade (I own v12) or the monthly sub and they haven’t updated their marketing materials (that old chart you had to pull up) to show their value. If I were doing their marketing, I’d want to show what they have to offer and why upgrading is worth it. That they haven’t, takes away some of my trust.
