The post processing trick is nice, but it does not work when the water is shallow enough that you can crouch to get your head under the water surface... I don't understand how Valve can make such a huge oversight to not include proper functionality for water...
While I understand the criticisms of the ports being poor, i dont feel so strongly about the idea that these were "stolen". Mapping in CS has always been somewhat loose, at least on other gamemodes. Lots of assets and design choices are shared between maps and ive always seen it as closer to homage and resourcefulness than theft. People will do remakes and remasters all the time, hell about every other jailbreak map is some version of electric razer. Granted, maybe posting their banner everywhere in hopes of free advertising or deterring others from using their port is a bit in poor taste.
i think what you said is fair. Plenty of maps take assets from each other and one could say it's similar to "fair use", which i think is cool however, these maps are 1:1 ports that were very poorly made. The mapper was not even credited properly in some of them. Added to that, many, if not all of those maps were dmca'ed at some point but they somehow managed to fight all of them (idk if putting the maps as unlisted can do that)
@@ReDMooNTVV I'm curious to see if any of the original mappers have responded to this. I didn't stop to read all of the Discord messages you screenshotted, but my impression was that this was a visceral reaction from the community on behalf of the mappers. As someone with 5k hours in hammer, having made maps and managed servers, myself, and the mappers I worked with seemed to feel that publishing your map was the same as releasing it to the aether, any time it was seen on another server or reworked in some way, that was a good thing, more people got to enjoy it or felt inspired by it. If someone really wanted credit, it was up to them to add that to their map itself. Likewise, whenever something on our servers was broken or we deemed that it should be reworked in some way, we did just that and slapped it back on the server. I think maybe this paradigm is a result of how servers on CS:GO worked: maps were hosted directly by servers, so there's nothing you could do but mald if your map or some bastardized version was hosted by someone else. Now maps must be published to the workshop - which I suppose some could see as an attempt to take credit, despite it's necessity to CS2. I don't feel particularly strongly either way about this, but it is interesting to see this seeming perspective shift, definitely caught me off guard.
i am not aware of any mappers reaching out to xplay personally (most of them are not active). However, had they ported maps from more active members (such as spider1), there would've probably been private messages exchanged between them. This exact scenario happened when cybershoke did it i understand where you're coming from though, but keep in mind that most of the people commenting on discord had the cybershoke precedent in mind, including me
also i dont believe in "if someone wants credit, they should put that in the map". If i am porting a map that is not mine, i will make sure that i try to do a good job and preserve the author's intentions/visuals/gameplay and say that it was made by them. If we go by the quote, then anyone could just yoink any map that doesnt have the name of the author in it. I am mostly saying what i personally think here. I guess to each their own
i also forgot to mention that this is in the context of KZ. In csgo kz, maps that were approved for competitive play depended on the workshop. Vital information such as map size all depended on the workshop page of a map. There were rules prohibiting map makers from making any changes to the .bsp after approval
see the pinned comment. There is a checkbox at the bottom that allow you to see more of them. I forgot to specify that in the video and that really annoys me. Sorry!
@@ReDMooNTVV no not like that, the block used for the water is like only a few units thick, not the entire space. When i do that, the texture below the brush is black and norhing else. Is there any work around other than importing my own textures?
so it is black under the water block? this shouldnt happen. Maybe you didnt turn it into a func_water? also i do not get notifications on replies somehow. Maybe you need to @me
@@ReDMooNTVV i tried many things but the built in water shaders just dont seem to work properly in this case. i added my own textures instead. thank you alot for your help still!
It’s so silly, networks like cyber shoke and especially xplay have such an opportunity in there hands to get a head start in building up the new cs2 kz community into there own servers but are sadly doing it the wrong way atm, with house of climb not as prominent as it was atm etc, xplay should really be doing a lot more to solidify themselves as one of the top kz servers for cs2, getting mappers and asking permission should be the easy part, hopefully it will all work out someday and we will all be kzing on a top tier server!
xplay has got to have one of the worst surf map ports i've ever seen. cybershoke is better but id rather play on high fov but there isn't an option there.
W video, these companies are lucky that they can pay people to make mods and that valve hasn’t unlocked the game for the community to make everything as it should be
im pretty sure xplay did this with some surf maps as well, surfing is still fucked because edgebugs haven't been fixed yet but the porting on a lot of the old maps on xplay servers is horrible. it wouldn't surprise me if all these companies are stealing maps
looks like they give players the chance to receive drops (skins) when they complete daily challenges, which can comprise of stuff like - complete X map in KZ. You can buy their premium to earn more drops and stuff I guess what they get out of it is eyeballs on their sponsors?? I dont know how else they would make money. I guess that getting in KZ early woud mean having the exclusivity and the potential to build a small but strong player base
oh yea ive seen a guy say something along "damn im the only one gambling as part of an xplay challenge/quest" (on the gambling site chat)... so they are in a way bringing new people to the gambling website
Both of these server networks also did the same with surf, but to a lesser extent. Cybershoke ported surf_mesa_revo quite badly and slapped their name on it. Not much later, a community member contacted the original mapper and proceeded to port it himself just out of spite. The cybershoke port ended up never getting used by anyone, including cybershoke themselves. Meanwhile xplay had many ports that were fine for the most part, but at some point for whatever reason they decided to unlist most of them so people are cautious of using those ports.
If I was a server owner during these times I would've shut down my servers and wait until the plugin is at a reasonable state and a good amount of maps have been properly ported or made for the new engine
they probably have different ideas in mind such as finding more players to earn money... just regular business (which i respect), but it just couldve been done differentlt
I'm sorry to hear that you are unsatisfied about the freelance work i did, currently i am not porting anything, so you can relaxe and maybe start work on new and innovative projects that fit the cs2 standard. That is at least what i plan on doing instead of regurgitating 10 year old content.
