It's a combination of a few things. a - I plan my route so not to use fast straight roads. Mostly narrow low speed roads. b - I try to plan the trip so any uphill parts are at the beginning and I loop around and come back on flatter roads. c - I try not to use the brakes if possible. They scrub off too much speed and you have to accelerate again quickly which uses a lot of energy. I normally feather the rear brake only. d - When you're stopped or going very slowly, accelerate slowly to get up to speed. Don't twist the throttle full. e - Temperature, Anything over 25 to 35 degrees is the batteries sweet spot. After charging the batteries I use the bike immediately. If I can't, I turn off the circuit breaker and switch it back on when I'm ready to ride. If I could just pick two things from the above, I would choose lower speeds and slow smooth acceleration. But all of the above things help add to the extended range.
Am I correct that the current TC Wanderer is delivered with a 10A charger so no need to replace it or would a 15A do a noticeable better job. Would it be possible to use a 30A charger as well? Looking into the TC Wanderer for commuting (total daily ride of 25 kms) and I have to say, your channel is making all the difference! Thank your for these informative videos!
Thanks very much for the kind words. Yes, in Europe the wanderer comes with a 10A charger so no need to replace it. If you would like a faster time you could upgrade to a 12 or 15A charger from the same maker. To work out your charging time divide your battery ampere hour by the charging current. 32ah/10A=3.2 hours or 32ah/15A=2.1 hours. Add a little extra time for the BMS to balance the cells at the end but it’s roughly around those times.
Besides the poor metal quality, I think the very hard rear suspension helped contribute to the failure. Yes just a quick check every few months should be enough.
Thank you very much for the video! It’s a pleasure to use these footrests, I don’t understand, now the control has reached a new level, you no longer need to fight discomfort. I also note that on new versions the fastening will have to be modified, since the distance at the footrests fastenings has become smaller.
Have you checked with SuperSoco and are they going to do anything about it? Really concerned cause I got the exact same bike and I’m a six foot, 200lb person. 😬
It's out of warranty so it's up to me to resolve the issue. I recommend that you check your swingarm every few months. Your swingarm may have come from a different metal batch and not have the same problem.
0% SOC to full takes about 3.2 hours for one battery and 6.4 hours for two batteries. If you use the 12amp charger made by the same company you can expect around 2.6 hours for each battery.
Well, the short answer is no. I do however think about this every time I ride it. The problem is that the design is fundamentally flawed. A monoshock is not the right selection for a rear hub motor because of weight, rotational mass and down force for traction. A dual rear shock system is best for this configuration. My dilemma is, do I want to buy an expensive monoshock and get the same results or modify a dual rear shock swingarm from a petrol engine bike that will 100% fix the issue but lose some of the bike's visual design characteristics. I'm still undecided...
I am looking to get backinto bikes again after a 20 year break, had big ish bikes before and really interested in electric, super soca seems a bit too slow for what I want but the new one does 58mph I believe? That mght just be enough for me tbh for local riding, cheap and chearful and good way to get back into it, however I am very tempted to buy a used zero sr and have a LOT more power just because its fun lol. If my area was like where you are riding there I would be happy to ride a super soco though. Thanks for sharing , looked like a great ride out. I love my Ebikes that I built and the frey ex that I bought used for off road adventures. 2 wheels are sooooo much more fun than 4 right?
Thanks for watching my video. The new Super Soco (now called Vmoto) TC Wanderer Pro has a 5.2kw motor and has a reasonable amount of power on the flat and narrow curvy roads. This EV has a two battery option which I recommend strongly, one battery isn't enough. People that have never ridden a bike before will be quite satisfied with its performance; However, You have ridden larger petrol engine bikes. I think after a few months of riding especially up hills, you will find this bike underwhelming. I also have a Surron that I modified to 10.2kw. This is a fantastic bike to ride at this power range. I recommend you take the TC Wanderer Pro for a test ride (up hills if possible) at see if 5.2kw is good for you. Vmoto released a new model called the "Stash" it is very much like the Zero (not in the same league) but styling, range and performance are very good. That may be better for you. Finally in any brand of EV bike I think 10kw and a minimum of a 60ah battery is best. My TC wanderer has 64ah (Two batteries) and my Surron has a 70ah battery. I get 130km on the Surron and 100-110km on the Wanderer in summer. I hope this helps. Cheers and happy riding.
@@DistantSuns I have ordered a Super Soco TC-Max and it just arrived today. The stock tyres that came with my bike appear to be different than yours (90/80-17 front and 120/70-17 rear). I'm thinking of upgrading to the same tyres as yours (or something similar). May I ask what BRAND tyres are they? Thank you.
@@grandpabrogan No problem, They are Chinese made "Cordial" tyres that came with the bike. I don't recommend them because of the hybrid trend pattern they are very noisy. I recommend the Bridgestone Motorcycle Tire BATTLAX BT-39 Front 100/80-17 and the matching rear 120/70-17. You need to check that the 100mm front tyre will fit in your front forks and importantly not touch the inside of the front mudguard. Thanks.
BTW is it a Euro 4 exhaust or euro 3? i mean does it have a catalytic converter inside the damper? I was wondering cause i saw the EVO 4 model does have it. I hope it will not give any problemens with the standard tuning of the ignition :O?
Thanks for the question. The actual GPR muffler is a "slip-on" at the end of the factory Honda extractors. The original catalytic converter and O2 sensor remain untouched. The Honda is actuality Euro 5 complainant.The exhaust gas emissions are the same with the GPR muffler fitted.
Actually It comes with two db killers, one at the base and one for the end. You can choose both, either end or none. I chose the db killer at the base. It's a good balance between sound and volume. Deep sound, happy neighbors 🙂
No problem, Green is the Negative wire. Apply +12v to the following wires... Brown = 6 LED running lights. Blue = Bottom low-beam LED. White = Top Hi-beam LED. I have my running LEDs (brown wire) wired so when the ignition switch is on they are always on. The Hi and Low beams are wired through a switch. Hope this helps, Cheers and safe riding.
Thank you for sharing this pinout. Can I ask where you sourced it? As I have a Street Hunter Pro that I will need to work on and I was under the impression that it uses CAN instead of rs485 for communication. Thank you.
No Problem, I made the printout myself. The wiring harness under the seat has labels for each of the wires. The communications labels have 485A and 485B printed on them. Thanks for watching my videos
I am glad RU-vid recommended your video. As I am doing my research on Surron Light bee L1j and was wondering if I can do any modifications to it. my main purpose of getting the bike is to do some long range in and around Yokohama. I am not planning to do much modification just replacing the mud guards and switching to read tires. may I ask where I can get the large batter here in Japan? It will be much helpful if you can guide me as I have no knowledge on any modifications. Thank you in advance. And also subscribed to your channel.
Thank you for subscribing, much appreciated. Your bike (the L1j) is a little bit difficult to get batteries for because of the 50.4V / 20.3Ah system that model runs. Firstly there are no Surron battery makers in Japan. I ordered my battery from chibattery systems in America chibatterysystems.com/collections/sur-ron-60v/products/gladiator60touring a few years ago when the Japanese yen was strong against the US dollar. My Surron is the L1e and uses a 60v 32Ah battery (from the factory) I first upgraded my battery to the 70Ah for more range and later my controller for more power. I think it might be possible to upgrade your bike to an L1e spec (keeping the 50cc number) by replacing the battery and controller to a 60v system. You would be looking at a price of about 30,0000 yen. What is your budget?
@@DistantSuns Thank you for the reply, still have not made the purchase, I also want L1e but I am stuck with the L1j as I only have car license. I also do not have the fixed budget yet, but 30,0000 yen is as close as the bike price. I think I might go with the stock for some time and then upgrade slowly if I feel the need. the other option I had to solve my range issue was Honda Cross Cub 50cc. what are your thoughts about it as I see on your channel you have a good experience with variety of bikes. Also, I found many videos where people in unlocking the bike by Surron controller programming by pressing the break combinations or by cutting the green/black wire, will that work on Japanese models?
@@sujitchachad You can programme the bike from the brake levers, I have the settings in a file somewhere. You won’t get any range increase however. My guess is @ 20Ah you would get about 30km (15km each way). If you get a Honda cross cub with its 4.3L tank you'll get at least 300km. The power is slightly down on the Cross cub but it has gears (4 speed) to make up for it. I recommend you buy a second hand (used) Cross cub for about 20,0000 yen. In the future get yourself a 125cc license because there is a much wider range of 125cc class bikes in both EV and Petrol engines.
An electric moped that looks like a real motorcycle but only goes 40 km/h and takes three hours to reach another city 100 km away, requiring two batteries each costing 1000 euros... I'm not very convinced about this one. It seems poorly designed with high costs to get anywhere, and so slow that I would fall asleep halfway there! People have told me that if you hold in the brake handle, you can make it go faster, like 65 km/h... but if you do that, the batteries drain so quickly that Super Soco decided to remove this feature on the new models because people didn’t want to buy new batteries every year. Is there no way to make it go faster? Is this information really correct, or is there a way to improve its performance so it goes faster and the batteries still last? Anyone with a workshop that can do this with a Super Soco? Thanks!
Hello there, I think you may have inadvertently mixed up the Super Soco models. The TC Wanderer has a 2.5kw hub motor and can cruse quite happily at 65km/h. Depending on your road conditions you can achieve 50km with one battery or 100km with two batteries (64Ah). The Super Soco TC only has a 1.5kw motor and does around 40km/h; it also has a slightly smaller battery. If you’re interested in more speed then the new TC Wanderer Pro maybe worth a look. It has a 5.2kw hub motor and a much faster cursing speed. You can also look at the TC max with a centre motor, its 5.2kw also and it has lots of aftermarket upgrade options on Aliexpress. I recommend you have a look at some of my other videos about the Super Soco TC Wanderer. I have done all sorts of different testing. Thanks very much.
@@DistantSuns the Wanderer, I do not see it on the Swedish websites… they got Max but that is not a moped but a motorcycle here that need motorcycle license… the Wanderer, is that a moped or a Motorcycle? Thanks for getting back to me!
@@SimplicityForGood The TC Wanderer and TC Wanderer Pro as well as the TS Street Hunter and Pro versions are all classed as 125cc. In Japan 50cc is classed as a Moped and you can use your car licence. 51cc to 125cc you need a limited motorcycle licence. This is different in many countries. Many countries allow up to 125cc with a car licence. I don't know about Sweeden.
@@DistantSuns I see! Unfortunately Sweden changed the laws now so only 50cc is allowed on your car license, my parents car license however let them drive heavy motorcycles 😂 but they never rid one in their lives!
Hi, I would always ensure you plug the mains into the charger before connecting the DC to the battery, otherwise you get a large current draw from the battery back into the charger to fill the output smoothing capacitors which can blow a fuse or even trip the bms if your batt is very low.
Thanks for sharing ! I was waiting for this video ! So the connector is the TC/TS round pin plug ! I wasn’t sure about that as it has less small pins, but as you clarified very well, these are not needed for the charge except the one that goes with the negative. Thanks again
Nah that is an annular eclipse actually as there was a 'ring of fire' at maximum eclipse. You don't get that with a total solar eclipse, come on use your common sense if you have been born with any that is!
“Close to a solar eclipse but not total”, buddy, you clearly have not been educated. A solar eclipse is either partial, annular, total, or hybrid you doughnut
Is the handling better ? Did you feel that the bike is lighter with only one battery ? I would be grateful si you could share with me the aliexpress links for the connector and the 17S charger you bought. I am having hard times to find these, especially the new super soco connector for the wanderer/street hunter.
Thanks for taking the time to watch my video. Yes, the bike feels lighter but the more noticeable difference is the front suspension. It does make the ride less harsh over bumps. The rear suspension remains the same (still appalling). With that said I would still choose the two battery option because of the 80~100km range. Regarding the power supply, please wait a week, It hasn’t arrived yet and I want to test it first before recommending it. I also need to explain the connector wiring and pins for charging activation.
Yes, that’s right, 45 miles with two batteries. I’m just uploading a new video showing the true range with one battery. Please watch this when you get a chance.
Hi! I myself just recently acquired a TC Wanderer here in the Philippines! Was wondering about doing drives in this country as well, eventually doing a nationwide/length drive. Aside from the Insta 360 cam, what other devices do you use? Hoping to do a drive with ya one day there in Japan. Lemme know if you’d wanna drive here! And how do I give you my contact details without it being all public like this comment? Thanks!
Thanks for watching my videos. Firstly about the gear I use, I have an old iPhone 8 that I use for 4k low light and close up videos. Its video quality is far superior to the Insta360. I use a Moman C2 Wireless Microphone System for the iPhone audio. For my motor, engine and voice, I use two Zoom H-1n audio recorders. I’m very happy with the results. Regarding contact details, let me think about the best way and I’ll get back to you. Safe ride and thanks
If you go to my video on how to install the foot pegs, I left the link in the description. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-e53-WBViuhI.html thanks very much
Hi , thanks for watching my video. Fully charged the battery s 69.2v I just double checked. Normally the battery should be 71.4v 17s configuration, however, Super Soco battery's BMS cuts the charge at 69.2v to prolong battery life. In other words, the battery is never quite at 100% SOC.
Crystal clear ! Thanks again One last question please : how both batteries are plugged and managed ? Are they plugged in parallel and both have the same tension ? Or is it a different kind of system that is managed by the controller ? The dashboard shows the battery status from each one, so they should be independent but I dont know how the switch is operated between the batteries.
@@Med-Amine Both batteries are in parallel and both batteries are discharged at the same time. The display shows a battery 'A' and battery 'B'. This is set by the smaller battery terminal pins (see link below) and is used for display purposes only. wiki.voltgaraz.cz/index.php/Battery_connector#Gen_2 Running one battery will give you 32ah and 64ah with two. thanks very much
Hello nice video i'm thinking about buying this motorcycle but the question is how is you range? in these hilly conditions i want it for traveling to work which is around 20 km but it's also hilly way thanks for response
Hello Martian, I live in a very hilly area too. My TC Wanderer has 2 batteries because you really need to keep it in 'Mode 3' (most powerful setting) to climb the hills with other cars. With two batteries you will have an 80km range (30km each way) before the bike goes into low power mode. It’s not a very powerful bike and perhaps you should look at the new TC Wanderer Pro with a 5kw motor. Please watch my Video about riding the Wanderer to work everyday. I think my ride to work and your ride is very similar. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-thi5nL3CUJg.html
Thanks very much. The Wanderer isn’t very fast off the mark, I’m sure it could be with a new controller but it’s like a 125cc feeling. The telemetry data comes from these guys goprotelemetryextractor.com/telemetry-overlay-gps-video-sensors Thanks!
