I stopped going to church building 5 years ago (and don't miss it) and am learning more about home church. A short while ago my daughter hosted a women's prayer meeting at her home - and it was amazing sharing requests and talking and fellowshipping with each other. And it occurred to me ... THIS is the Acts church model! 😊It was wonderfully uplifting.
Church is for believers? excuse me?? The believers ARE the Church-THE BODY OF CHRIST! Get them saved, them put them under the law of works to maintain their salavation. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever joins a church, pays tithes, get's baptised, does good works and believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life, until he loses it. John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but the church will, and that the world through him might be saved. Not what Jesus said! WAS IT? Churches are "The Ignorant Brethren"
Pastor Partridge, you speak of house churches. However, you pastor a church in a nice modern building. I view this as inconsistent with what your videos are teaching. Can you explain?
Far far too many holdovers from the institutional church. Pretty much taken the failings of the institutional church, and made them smaller and bring them into homes....
Your not a charismatic, so you don’t speak in tongues like Paul and the house church in 1 Cor 14 You don’t have unbelievers but 1 Corinthians 14 chapter non-believers were present because Paul gave instructions concerning tongues interpretation of tongues and prophecy because unbelievers were present.
He also said tongues were for a sign, and the Jews REQUIRED signs, but the Greeks seek after wisdom. So are the Jews unbelievers. Well they still don't believe that Jesus Christ was their messiah. Believers don't need tongue talking. Also an unbeliever doesn't understand the common language?? So now you got to bust out asta-pasta-fruit-of-the-loomy, and now he's going to understand?? Please explain.
I wish I watched this earlier. I am sadly divorced. She was definitely mentally unwell. I think she Paranoid Personality Disorder. I think back and I see where I could have communicated better but it wasn’t easy with someone like this
Hi Dale, I keep hearing about this new NLT Bible for women, Every Woman’s Bible. Have you looked at it yet? If so, can you do a review somewhere online? I follow you here and on Instagram. Thanks!
How can I find a house church that follows Biblical model for leaders, fellowship, communion, and discipleship. I live near Wildomar, Murrieta and Lake Elsinore California. Do you have any leaders trained at your school who started a home church near here? I knew this movement was coming many years ago and expressed that to other believers, for church is the people, not the building.
It could take hours to timestamp and refute most all of the points made in this video. Approaching this passage from the view of a calvinist and non-calvinist perspective is really like two people standing on opposite sides of a number 9 painted on the ground, one person is asserting that it is a "6" from their perspective, the other is asserting it is a "9". Believe it or not, there are other ways of understanding these passages that fully defend God's goodness, His righteousness, His justness, His sovereignty etc, and are more consistent with the rest of scripture than reformed theology would teach. But to understand it that way, you have to read Romans from a 1st century Jew's perspective, and be very diligent in understanding all of the meaning in the Old Testament references (really go back and read whole chapters of those references for full context). Also you can really see these texts clearer if you remove the calvinist presuppositions first. Don't approach them just assuming that Total "Inability", or regeneration preceeding faith, or Faith being a gift, or unconditional election, or individual election, etc are all true... those doctrines were created after to try to put a deterministic lens over the text and make it all work philosophically, but they are not as rigorous as you might think. It would also help to try to fully understand the concept of "Judicial hardening" and how it applies in these passages. Once you see judicial hardening in the Bible, total inability just doesn't make sense anymore. If we are already deaf, dumb, and spiritually blind and unable to respond to the Gospel, then what is the point of God judicially hardening people. Is he going to make them more dead than they already are? Is he going to make the blind even more blind? Be diligent in really trying to define who is being spoken too, what is being predestined, what is being elected, and whether people are being chosen for service? Or for salvation/reprobation ? Also, a lot of biblical terms that Calvinists have defined in there doctrines (Foreknowledge, election, predestination, total depravity etc) may not actually mean what they teach that they mean, so that's why it's important to really try to define them in context as you read. If anyone reading this wants to hear some other really good biblical perspectives walking through Romans 9 I would look for Mike Winger's videos on Romans 9 or go to Soteriology 101 channel and listen to how Leighton Flowers walks through Romans 9. He has a book related to this passage as well. Even if you don't agree, you might better understand some other good biblical perspectives on these tough passages. God Bless.
Well, if I should ever find myself in Prescott, AZ...I know where I will be going for church service! Thank you for your faithful preaching of God's Word.
There's just nothing quite like this in the area where I live, this man and his preaching and the work he is doing has got me on Zillow looking at homes in Prescott 😅.
Hi there, the definition of glory in 22:45-52 is similar to Aquinas’ idea that Grace perfects nature. This is not coming from a Catholic btw. I’m simply pointing out the parallel.
So MANY religious people absolutely HATE HATE HATE these truths. They attack attack and attack anyone who believes God's plans and WAYS. Leave calvin out--- they label us calvinist but FORGET calvin. WHAT is man????
I think it's sad that so many people feel compelled to reach down the food chain for emotional companionship with a lower life form, instead of adult members of their human peer group. Surely this is another manifestation of the unpacking of the judgement of God upon a deluded and reprobate population. May the Lord have mercy upon our souls.
Good content overall but Relearn seems to be a ‘for-profit’ company more than a ministry. Why do you have to pay for a subscription to read articles on the Relearn application?
I am a native Japanese Evangelical Born-Again Christian who lives in Osaka, Japan. My father who went to be with the Lord in 2001 was a PASTOR of an Evangelical church pastor. He accepted Jesus Christ as his personal Savior when he was in America as an exchange student during 60s. He was typical NON-CHRISTIAN before going to America, and in his second year in America, he had opportunity to hear clear gospel from Evangelical church leaders in America. Eventually, he accepted Jesus as his personal Savior in his entire life. After completion of his Uni. studies in America, he received his Evangelical theological studies at a Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas, Texas, USA from 1965 to 70. Later on, he became a founder of an Evangelical church pastor in Osaka, JAPAN. I have also received education in FL, USA from high school to 4-year-Bible college in Florida as well. I left Japan when I was 15 without knowing any English abilities. a week before I finally left Japan for high school education in Florida, America. I only knew English alphabet at all. I started my school education from being an AUDITOR. But because of God's grace and mercy, I eventually finished my high school education in English 4 years later. and entered a 4-year- Bible college in New Port Richey, Florida. at Trinity Collage of Florida under professors who graduated from Dallas Theological Seminary, Moody Bible or Trinity Seminary in Chicago. ----------- Speaking of house church, It is essential in Japan because there are not many Christians and Evangelical churches throughout Japan from South to North. At the same time, it is extremely expensive having a personal property for a church building in JAPAN. Furthermore, a size of Japan is very similar to that of California in America. This means geographically very small and not sufficient space like America. This is one of clear reasons having House Churches throughout Japan. If there are House Churches, we do have to concern about an expensive properties financially. There are a few house churches at my father's traditional church in Osaka. Its church is Non-Denominational Evangelical church based on Dallas Theological teachings and foundations. ----------------------------------------- In conclusion, It is very important to have House Churches with an Internet systems all over Japan. I am personally NOT too CONCERVATIVE about a style of House Church same as my family and a member of my father's church in Osaka. It is very unique to have various types of house churches: hymn only house church, modern worship and hymn house church, contemporary worship style house church. There are very wonderful worship songs composed by Don More. Some may use Internet worship service connect with a local Evangelical church for any biblical teachings on Sunday service. ---------- All I can boldly proclaim that we need to be careful not to be trapped by any FALSE TEACHINGS such as cults, heresy, liberalistic teaching, ecumenical, Legalism, or Prosperity gospel teachings etc. May God bless you. I am 47years old with a Baby Faced male who lives in OSAKA, JAPAN currently. very active and energetic for a name of JESUS .
I had heard of you with the ear but now my eye sees. It’s my belief Job is a story of salvation, a rich, religious man coming to true faith and that Elihu was the only true believer prior to God speaking. Not a common view but neither is Calvinism 😏 So tired of hearing people regurgitate the same line, that God never answered Job’s questions. Job had all his questions answered when God revealed himself. Other than that, amen.
I think Rom 9 is where we see if we can do proper Bible hermenetics. When we see "it does not depend..." do we then ask what "it" is? Or do we assume it is about individual salvation even if that is not the topic in question? When we see the potter-clay analogy, do we read the Old Testament and see what the Bible teach about it, or do we import our own ideas of what we think it should mean? Finally, do we read on and follow Paul's reasoning all the way through so we get the whole flow of the argument? Do we notice that Paul says hardened people can still be saved if they do not persist in unbelief or do we asssume a hardened person cannot believe?
Even if Calvinism were true, this video is inconsistent and misleading. Why? Because if God predetermines everything, then whether or not I become a Calvinist is completely out of my control. Therefore, it makes no sense to make a tutorial on “How to Become a Calvinist” if the only thing that will make me a Calvinist is God predetermining me to be one.
He literally says in the beginning of the video that it's "tongue in cheek." Also, you saying "if Calvinism were true", is like saying "if scripture were true." A Calvinist is a person who simply accepts what the Bible teaches about salvation.
Thank you Dale for this sermon. I appreciated every moment (and agreed with all of it, too!). I cannot believe the amount of vitriol seen in the comments below.
Such a terrible misinterpretation of scripture in every breath of this video. Starts with absolute lack of context understanding, asks all the wrong questions of scripture at every turn, and concludes all the opposite things from the apostle. This is an abject bastardization of the text.
@@-RM- The short version is: Everyone Paul’s 1st century world held the belief, before Christ came, that God only loved and chose the Jews as his people, and that (this part is supremely important) that it meant the Gentiles were dog meat. Sub human. Of course, that’s a hideous thing to say, (ask someone around you to agree that your race is the master race and that all other races aren’t even humans, and see how that conversation goes) but they not only believed it, they taught it from scripture. Many of the quotes Paul pulls in Romans 9 are actually phrases that were used by Jews in defense of this holy racism theology, but Paul is flipping all of them on their heads. He’s reversing the identity roles. He’s saying, ‘ok, you Jews like to say “Jacob I loved but Esau I hated” because you think it’s God saying he hates anyone who isn’t you, well what if God does hate people, but it’s you that he hates? How would you like your holy-racism-theology if YOU’RE actually the Esau??’ That’s the short version. Paul is correcting the Jews’ doctrine of election, not establishing a new one. That’s why he says all the things he says in chapters 1-5, in places like Rom 5:18 and 11:32.
Not to mention critical passages omitted or cut off short. Most of these proof texts need greater context. People should really read Romans 8-11 consecutively to digest the whole message. I wish Dale would have read more of Jeremiah 18 when he referenced it. He cut it off just before Jeremiah tells the people to "repent" so that God doesn't shape them for a dishonorable use. This is a warning of Judgement (Judicial hardening) on those who choose disobedience.... not arbitrarily or unconditionally molded for reprobation and damnation.
@@joshuamyers34 Right. And the English translation is not incorrect, Paul is asking “what if?” in the beginning of his potter references because the Jews already believed this theology, but he’s asking what if it were true but the roles were reversed? How would you like it then?? Paul knows it’s not true to begin with, God does NOT predestined some to glory and some to wrath, but what if it were, and you Jews were the wrath vessels??
@@TheRomans9Guy well, when I read that part about God enduring vessels of wrath, I think of how God endured wicked rulers like pharoh for a time, in order that God's power and glory would be seen in the final outcome. Also the entire Bible points to the Gospel. Jesus had to endure the wrath and hatred of the Jews (from the same lump) who acted dishonorably and crucified him.
You know the dangerous thing about Calvinism , what if the very people who believe in it aren’t the ones who are elected and you cant question Gods sovereignty , if that’s his choice y’all just wasted your life just saying 😂🤷🏽♂️
There's just so many knots of misinterpreting scripture, missing the point, and false statements to disentangle here, it could take hours. I'm sorry Dale, I respect a lot of your opinions on social and cultural issues but these theological determinist viewpoints misrepresent God's character and are a real stumbling block for little ones not yet strong in their faith.
@@relearntv the implications of this determinist philosophical systematic misrepresent God's Character by: 1. making God to be the author of evil, reprobating most of humanity to hell without them having any ability to do anything about it, and for no apparent reason. 2. Making God and Christ appear to be deceptive, dishonest, and duplicitous... telling people to "seek the Lord" and to "believe" in him, and not wanting any to perish but all to come to salvation etc, when clearly that is not his desires under this systematic.
I believed the gospel as soon as I was old enough to understand it, resting in His promises and mercies enduring forever. Then I learned TULIP and that salvation rested on my performance, feelings and knowledge. I grieved for decades almost to death. Now, I know which seed they would judge that I am. But I could never deny the Gospel of Jesus Christ the only means of salvation and peace to all men. But…Calvinism? I can’t believe two incongruous gospels.
@@-RM- Of course. But when Romans 9 is read with zero understanding of the context, it can lead to one coming up with terrible interpretations. Especially Calvinism. It would be the same today with something like the “MAGA” slogan. If someone heard that slogan but had no idea of the context behind it they could, and most likely would, come away with horrendous misunderstanding of the actual concept behind it. That’s what has happened with Romans 9.
@@TheRomans9Guy True. We serve a different God. You serve the god of the Jews who believed yet taught faith plus works. The god of Pelagius and his semis- the Roman Catholic Church, Arminius, the Wesleyans and the vast majority of modern day “christendom”. To be honest, the same god of islam, hinduism, and all the other cults with a “synergistic” soteriology.
@@Jmoffit22 If you accuse me of worshipping a God whose rule is that his followers earn glory through works, you demonstrate you know nothing of my thoughts. And in not bashful in describing them. There isn’t any synergism is salvation. There is God’s great grace and mercy. He forgives all men all by himself, with no input from us. There is man’s humors and surrender. Man can surrender, but only because God gave him the power to do so. Then there is God’s granting of eternal life. No synergism there either.
If you don't have involvement in your salvation then you don't have involvement on the special gifting of becoming a Calvinist so this sermon isn't needed.
That's a philosophical argument. It's not a biblical argument. Are you who fight against the doctrines of grace even believing in the bible as highest authority? Seems that most of you believe more in your own philosophical reasoning than in God's word. Dale argued in this sermon with the Bible over and over again! You didn't reference scripture with that kind of arguing and you didn't answer his biblical arguments either. That tells a lot... That's why Dale is absolutely right with what he said in the introduction (4:09-5:09): Most non-calvinists are not careful interpreters of the word. I see it in the comments section all the time. Non-calvinists lean to be philosophers, not exegets. The problem with it is that even our thinking is by nature depraved by sin (Eph 4,17-18; Rom 12,2-3). That's why we should believe more in scripture, than in our depraved philosophical arguments. Please Stop! You don't fight against Calvin. You fight against five points that Jesus and the Apostles taught (f.e. in John 1+3+6+10+15+17; Acts 13+16+20; Romans 3+5+7+8+9+11; Ephesians 1+2+4+5). Did you ever studie these chapters carefully? If you didn't, do it! I love all of you, everyone of my non-calvinistic brothers and sisters in Christ. I just can't agree with your soteriology.
@@Jesus.is.my.saviour do you realize your biggest accusations of non-Calvinists (not being careful interpreters, or doing proper exegesis, applying extra philosophy, etc) could also be said of Calvinists? The reformed perspective is not the only perspective of scripture that can use scripture to support itself. You ought to be diligent in fully understanding opposing arguments.
@@joshuamyers34 Yes brother, you are right, at least in some sense. Of course: Calvinists use philosophical arguments too and "not all" calvinists are careful interpreters of the scriptures. I didn't say that and didn't meant it. First of all my comment was an answer to another comment of a person who wasn't refuting Dales biblical arguments and arguing with philosophical ideas instead. But let me be clear: Calvinists are "on average" better exegets, have more scripture knowledge and and use less philosophical arguments. That's just true. Like Dale said: If someone was writing 700 pages on three verses of the Bible, it was mostly a puritan (calvinist). These guys took the Bible seriously, more than others. The puritans were the best theologians ever! But also true: Some people who have a great bible knowledge are not Calvinists. I'm sure most of them they are lying to themselves because I was lying to myself, too... I was reading through romans 9 and many, many other passages and I already knew deep down that it teaches calvinism, but wasn't able to accept it for months, like many before me. Careful and honest exegets can't oversee calvinism in the Bible, because it's there! Total depravity, unconditional election, irresistible grace and the preservation of the saints are clearly in the Bible (and the 3rd point too, but not as clear as the others)! There are really hundreds, maybe over thousand bible verses that teach calvinism, it's really everywhere!
It bears noting that Rom. 9 is fundamentally about God’s purpose in election of saving gentiles through faith by grace through Christ in His exceeding mercy. Answering the charge of “unfairness” that might be made by those who by works and tradition and lineage would argue God’s purpose ought to be another wise NOT creating a systematic bulwark for the L in Tulip. The concept described here is adjacent to the parable of the workers paid the same wage for only working a fraction of the day. Mat. 20:1-16
Thank you, and I think in historical-context there was intense persecution; however, the contextual war on our generation is the attack on Gods original design. Our governmental policy in Canada was to increase migrant immigration because our own culture is not have families. Im praying for breakthrough in this area. I know so many that are told their singleness is a gift and they are grieving not being able to have children or increase their legacy with family. Im praying for breakthrough and legacy would increase again on our land
I used to be an anti-feminist, advocating for fathers/men’s rights…until now. I’m still not a feminist (and never will be) but I’m at least at a place now where I can understand what made them that way. Trauma is real. And it makes you angry. Very angry…
Great sermon!! The 'predestination' is because of the 'promise' - of blessings and curses. But the choice to choose is still each His own. I make the choice... but it is the Lord that applies the pressures that would cause me to choose. And no mystery why those who show up wanting to have a relationship with Him are 'broken'. As for your unsolved mysteries? Give me a shot at that... Isaiah 52:15 has been fulfilled.
God has ALREADY decided... in accordance to His word... as in, "the Lord has (already) spoken. There are conditions for election. The conditions are already set - but the choice of which way it goes is to each his own, or else Joshua could not have said, "choose this day."
I would add that God knows what we are going to do BEFORE we do it. This is why Nathan (a gentile prophet? Guiding the King if Israel?) said, "You have already been forgiven."
That verse 9:15 is not quoted correctly and makes it appear as if God can do ANYTHING He wants... which could not be farther from the truth. God has a stricter set of rules than we do. The verse should say I will have mercy on whom I WILL have mercy. So as to say that if it is a persons WILL and their 'will' is God's 'will'... then that person will show mercy, and thus will also be shown much mercy. Jacob was a wreck, and even helped by his mother (uh oh a woman!) to deceive her own husband and so on. The reason Jacob is renamed is because he refused to 'give up' unless all of his 'troubles' could become a 'blessing'. This is why the battle goes all night and MUST end before the 'new day'. Jacob being save OUT OF his trouble DOES NOT mean saved 'from' his trouble. And right now? Israel is in BIG BIG trouble. 😔
11:28 “the anticipated response…” No it doesn’t. Paul is telling the unbelieving Jews that God CAN have mercy on the Gentiles, something they did not believe. That’s why they objected so strenuously to Paul. If Paul was teaching what you suggest, that Hid only chooses some people, they wouldn’t even object to that. They already believed that. They believed the chosen ones were them! The only reason why they object is because Paul is NOT teaching Calvinism.
8:34 Paul isn’t offering the OT stories to support the idea that God elects some and not others, he’s presenting those stories to prove that if God really did elect some AND CAST OUT THE OTHERS, then it would be the Jews that were cast out. He’s reversing the roles in each of the OT stories in chapter 9. All of them. Moses and Pharaoh, Abraham and Sarah, Isaac and Ishmael, Jacob and Esau. When he says Jacob I loved but Esau I hated, you need to be asking who is Jacob? And who is Esau? If you’re not asking these questions you’re not going to understand the chapter.
