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David I would love to see you talk to a muslim in a conversation. Also a Hindu and Buddhist would be interesting. I liked your talk with spirit man he by the way has been on a hunger strike I think someone needs to check in on him
I have been a member of the church of Christ since birth and attended David Lipscomb College in Nashville, Tennessee (a church of Christ College). I agree with the similarities and would be a member of the Orthodox Church today, but live where no Orthodox Church is available and can only attend a local church of Christ. The similarities are many and those are the similarities on which I can live my life. Several years back I lived in Riverside, CA and visited St. Andrews Orthodox Church where Father Josiah Trenham is the current Priest. I knew his mother well and remember the conversations we had when I was once able to visit St. Andrews Orthodox Church.
Protestants were invented in the 16th century or so, and not at any time before. There were other Christian movements prior to that time, but they were not Protestant.
Hello, Mr. Harry. Perhaps you can help me with a few issues I have. Like others that you mentioned in the comments of your stream, I was in the Church of Christ. (I only say that so you know where I am coming from as far as theology) I'm not an egoist, and admit when I'm wrong as soon as I see it, like with Iconography. I was told that it was wrong, it's idolatry, graven images, etc, etc. But when I researched the early church, some examples of underground churches in Jerusalem, I saw iconography painted on the walls. So I admitted I was wrong about that, and was taught wrong about that. I have been studying the Orthodox faith only a few days, so be gentle. lol I still have an issue with intercession though. In all the examples I recall, the intercession in scripture is from the living on earth to The Father. Like someone is asking me to pray for them, or a family member, etc. I can ask you to pray FOR me, and not pray TO YOU to do so. To 'contact' Mary, Paul, etc, I have to pray TO them. And I have an issue with that, because I see The Trinity in prayer. I pray to The Father, in The Spirit, through Christ. That is the Trinity in prayer. If I take out The Father and put in someone else, the Trinity is broken. It seems to me that prayer is worship. It is 'a petition to God' as the Greek would define it. And perhaps I'm wrong, but I do not recall anyone in scripture praying to anyone but GOD. I understand the concept in the Orthodox Church about it, how Saints are made aware of what is going on, and that prayers of the righteous carry more weight, but I cannot see it in scripture and that is an issue for me. Maybe you can help me understand this, I'm sure this is a topic that Orthodox people get a lot from people like me, as is another problem I have... Calling a Church leader 'Father' is a problem. Of course you will know I am referencing Matthew 23:9. So is it obligatory to call a Priest 'Father'? And why was the word 'Father' used? I used to be told it was their (the Catholics) way to 'thumb their nose at scripture', which I do not believe, but I still do not understand why another word wasn't chosen. Thank you,I subscribed and plan to continue to look into the Orthodox faith. (On a side note, I looked into the Catholic faith too, but already eliminated them from consideration. Any faith that says Christians and Muslims worship the same GOD, and can be reached either way, in my opinion is borderline demonic.)
The Catholic Church isn’t demonic look again. We don’t believe Muslim and Catholics are the same again look again please keep searching into the Catholic faith I guarantee you’ll will find different answers than you found at first. And spoiler alert the orthodox and the Catholic church were the same church! Until they split in 1054
Stupid question and I am a protestant. but I still do not agree with talking to dead people and Mary being the queen of heaven. I enjoy church and love all the saints of God very much
Honest question; why is the Orthodox church not called "protestant" as well? It is in protest against the Catholic church just like other protestant organizations. The only difference is that the Orthodox church has an Apostolic history and was in it's core founded by Jesus but it split itself off from the Church. The Orthodox church does have all the sacraments and the actual spiritual authority that was passed down from Jesus and His apostles. This is something that the protestant organizations (Orthodox is not an organization but Church) don't have, they are merely organizations that were instituted by men and not Jesus. Thank you in advance for any reply!
it is a good question. the primary thing is the church was kind of split for hundreds of years, and when they tried to get everyone back together, they realized there were some differences between both east and west. the east kind of said we have sorta already been separated without a pope, and we don't need one. Their argument came from tradition. (over simplified) Protestants actually left trying to reform the church, telling the church to change to what they saw was right they were a protest against the church. and with their rejection of tradition, they could not make friends with the orthodox. so anyone considered a protestant is someone who is part of a church started during the protestant Reformation, 1517-1648. this is why mormons Baptists pentecostals seventh day Adventist and Jahovas Witness and a few more are not considered protestant either. however, using newer definitions to be a protestant, you have to reject the Catholic church and believe in sola fide and sola scriptura, so by both definitions, the orthodox do not count as protestant
@@_dpharry no. perhaps I didn't write clearly. it's their perception of hericies and not real hericies, if they were opposed to real hericies they would be Catholics
You call Yourself a Religious Studies Scholar. You Then make a Video on The Church Of Christ Protectant Denomination and can't even Get the Name Right. It is Actually The Churches Of Christ, not Church of Christ. They are Also Not a Protestant Denomination. They are a Restorationism Church that Rejects One of the Two Protestant Distinctives, as They do Not Believe They are saved by Faith Alone. They are Also Not a Denomination. A Denomination is a Smaller Division within a Greater Whole. The Idea of Churches as Denominations Began with The Protectant Reformation when The Protestant Movement Splintered. The Diverse Churches Continued to Recognise Each Other as Valid, and Understood Themselves not as different Churches Proper, but as Different Divisions within the same Overall Church. The Churches Of Christ do Not Recognise Any Other Church and are Not a Smaller Division within the Greater Whole, and are Thus No More a Denomination than is The Catholic Church. The Actual Position of The Churches Of Christ is Not that The Early Church was Protestant. Their Actual Position is that Over Time Christians Accumulated a Series of Traditions and teachings Not Justified in and often Contrary to The Plain Teachings of The Bible and that They reject those Accruements and Return to Primitive Christianity. This is Why The Restoration Movement is Also Known as Primitivism. If You cannot get Basic Facts like This Right, then You are Not Really Deconstructing the Claims of The Churches of Christ, You are simply Attacking Them in an Attempt to Rob Them of Legitimacy by Polemic. You Claim to "Steel Man" Their Arguments, but You Clearly made No Effort into Understanding Them since You Repeatedly call Them a Protestant De nomination even While acknowledging They do not Regard Themselves as Such,. You also call Denomination a Title for Some Reason. Am I Really supposed to Think You Steel manned The Churches Of Christ Position when You say You Looked at Two Videos from a Prominent Church of Christ Pastor, named B. J. Clark. The Churches Of Christ do not have Pastors. The Churches Of Christ do Not have Any Ordained Clergy at All. It is a Defining Feature of The Churches of Christ that All Baptoised Men have the Shared Responsibility of Running the Church, and There is No Single Man in Spiritual Authority over a Congregation. If You didn't Know that, Then How on Earth are You Responding to what The Churches of Christ Believe? You even say They don't have Priests They have Pastors, and discuss how Confusing it is to You that Some have Permeant Pastors whilst others Rotate and the Like. Its Not Confusing. There is No Such Thing as a Church Of Christ pastor at all, and Any Baptised Man can Preach. Usually One Man is Selected to serve as Preacher on a Regular basis but He has No Greater Authority than Anyone Else. There is No Real Prominence to the Role at all. So when You say The Church of Christ has Pastors, not Priests , it Really is Proof that You Out no Effort into This. The Churches Of Christ also do Not have Parishes so They have No Parishners. And what is The Point of Saying The Wisdom of Sirach discusses The Incarnation? That Alone would Not mean it is Divinely Inspired, which is what would be Understood as Making it Part of The Bible. I am Not Arguing Specifically for The Churches Of Christ Here, but Really You Ignore the Real Beliefs They have of The Biblical Cannon and Act as if it is Purely on what The Books Talk About. You compare it to Methodists and the Like, and Never Try to Understand it on its Own Terms.
They are one of the most boldly ignorant denominations that I've ever interacted with. I had my name put on their membership role after I let them baptize me in college, but I didn't know they were going to claim me as a church member
You call Them One of the Most Boldly Ignorant Denominations You have Encountered. In Reality You are Ignorant. The Churches Of Christ don't have a Membership Role. They are also Not a Denomination. Also, The Catholic Church qualifies All Baptised Persons Catholic. You do Know that, Right?
@@iggyantioch - If You don't Know what The Churches Of Christ Believe about "A Great Apostacy" Then You don't Know what They Teach at All about Church History.
Protestant is a Catholic term. Any group can make a claim that they base themselves on the origins of Christianity. The faith obviously had to start somewhere. For all of us.
Mere origins does not address the question of what the fundamental elements are for salvation - otherwise the Jews would be the true children of God despite most of them turning from the Messiah
@yeahnah3erter you would be right if there was another Prophet that came after the Messiah, there for giving more details on Salvation. However, we know that the Messiah was the last One sent, and that there will be no more (until the return of the Messiah). There for, those who are oldest and kept the ways of the Apostles and thus the ways of Christ have a greater claim at how to achieve salvation than the newer branches of Christianity
And there are terms we use today that a Protestant terms for Catholics what is your point you can’t skip completely over Catholicism like most Protestants want to do. We were the early church
34min in; not quite accurate description of Catholic confession. The priest acts in persona Christi. Forgiveness is not based on his authority but Christ’s alone. As I under the Orthodox priest also performs something like what Catholics call absolution. This is probably another instance where poor history and intentional word choice is the real block to East/West unity.
@@kellyprell3206every single religion has abuses. As for non-biblical teachings, it's quite ridiculous for people (such as, protestants) to even assume they're the right ones without ever asking "Could I be wrong?"
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Kinda contradictory, ain't it? Protestant is to protest, so did the early Church protest against itself?? 🤔 Moreover, with several early Church Fathers having non-reformed theology kinda leads me to follow the ancient mindset of Christianity rather than the contemporary ideas of Protestantism.
@@Sageman101 it was always both. You have messed with modern semantics of what an institution is and think of it as a bad thing, but understood correctly Christ himself instituted his Church. It's "both and" not "either or".
@@jackross5698 Yes Christ is the head of the church per scripture. Yes, Christ instituted his Church. I think every single subset of the faith readily admits this. The principle division lies in authority. "Protestants" (Any Christian who isn't Catholic) accepts that the RCC established a "headship" that isn't Christ. They believe that is a direct defiance of scripture. So from the get-go, we have a problem with the whole system.
@@Sageman101 it's just the CC, RCC is a specific rite of the Catholic Church. Be that as it may, you can scruple over authority in Christ's Church, but you can't claim there wasn't an established authority handed down by Christ - which has been handed down to successors to the present day. You can't deny that. You can argue over who has maintained that authority, but you can't deny there is (or was) an established authority. You wanna have that conversation go right ahead, but both in scripture and in other historical evidence there is an established visible Church of Christ that binds and loosens the faithful.
@@jackross5698 I can definitely argue Apostolic Succession. It wasn't a practice. It was a retroactive application of authority that the Apostles themselves did not practice. The Bible's examples never create a hierarchy beyond local congregations and their local elderships. There is nothing in scripture that extends the hierarchy. The Apostles also insured that no one would ever bring any new material to Christian philosophy past the point of their influences and those that would travel with them in mission work. We defer to Galatians. 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. 10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant[b] of Christ. The Apostles knew later generations would seek to incorporate new ancillary material to the faith. There was already much of it then, like the Judaizing Christians.
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The 19th century was a theological disaster in church history, including the Restoration Movement, amongst many other heterodoxical and heretical movements. I rank it among the top five worst centuries for the church, just below some of the early Christological and Trinitarian controversial eras. I teach Church History from a Protestant perspective, and even I recognize this fact. And I get the CoC's whole argument that they are not Protestants. I've been to several CoC church services, and I've never walked away from there thinking that their worship was a reflection of the early 1st-century church, with the exception that they sang A cappella. Unironically, the very thing the CoC aimed to do was unite the church; instead, it split it into two separate entities.
Close but the earliest Christians obeyed the Pope, as seen with the Corinthians, a greek Church, asking for the Holy See to settle a matter with their clergy in1 Clement which was written as early as 67AD, and how the dating of Easter was settled in the 2nd century.
Until it came to the Chair of St. Peter ;) much love for my Orthodox brothers! Always! There is more to unite us than to disperse and divide, and I'm happy to have the Orthodox stand with us in this day and age.
@@gabrielgabriel5177 Exactly. I don't see how anybody can say they are the same. The traditions are nice and they have a long history, but they don't go back to the very beginning.
@@skwills1629 I have to be very sure. Because people will often assume if you mention the first "half" of the name. But that's why I was asking the person who claimed it was a nightmare.
When I was a teenager, it seemed like the C of C was more about what they were against than what they were for. Nadab and Abaihu were very popular in churches I have attended. The thing was they were splitting every hair as finely as possible. As a result, God didn't seem like someone you wanted to know.
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This symbol the "Cross with 4 crosslets" the "Jerusalem Cross" was also the insignia worn by the "1st Catholic military order of the First Crusade', the "Order of the Knights of the Holy Sepulcher of Jerusalem" founded in 1099 under the Frankish knight Godfrey de Bouillon ... the Knights Templar would Not be founded for another 20 years in 1119 AD, the Knights Templar wore the single red cross (the Cross of Saint George) ... The Knights of the Holy Sepulcher of Jerusalem, founded in 1099 the 1st and oldest Order of the Crusades still wear the insignia of the Order the "Jerusalem Cross", after 925 years the Order is still in existence today... the 4 crosses represent the "Four Marks of the Church" ... the "Nicene Creed" recited during every Mass ....
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Had a new train of thinking of these symbols. Threre is a geometric pattern to the alchemy I the stone. Explanation of light and life, and space, is needed knowledge. I see how theses patterns move, and where anchor points are drawn. There is more that one kind of fixed point, if not infinitys, then the shapes. It's really a door way. Our world isn't one way in, one way out, but we were set up with a default method, if you know what i mean
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So I have an idea for my comic based on this. I have Frankenstein’s monster-like creatures as a race. They were created to hold a god. Now that I know what a Rebis is, I have a term for the reason these beings were made. These Stitched as I call them were made to be Rebisai, and one of the protagonists holds a god. So ye this video was eye opening thank you!
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It’s “evil” because people died. People dying is a bad thing in most cases, and just because something is bad, doesn’t mean it points to an omnipotent deity.
