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At least 2 of these dudes are advocating for a theocracy with a straight face lol. I dont know about you but thats the last thing I would want to do....
Marriage is older than religion, older than jews and Christians snd islam . Im so tired of that argument. Religion stole Marriage and took it over. Even if I buy the marraige is religious argument, than Christians and jews can get married because they stole it from the religion god gave it to lol. Christians are so far out on the marraige argument ......
You know what lights me up? “You should be a priest” How dare you treat men like they are uncontrolled and incapable of self restraint without the subjection of communal control
Serving at church and not going my own way, that is my single mission. But overarching, cultic, obedience to another abusive machine is more of the same emasculation
I like how he says MGTOW isn't a necessary prong - when Andrew's beliefs have been in play since the start and have gained no traction, while just 10 years of MGTOW has shaken the system to the core. lol The only reason these dudes are getting views is because of the shyt storm all of the new players have kicked up.
The problem is that there are just so many diverging viewpoints today, to think there's going to be a return to a monogamy centered society, without some necessity for women to need to move it there is naive. Women select and men qualify when it comes to marriage.
Religionists (believers that ancient fiction writings are literally true) will never get it. Also their religious children will be mostly secular. Culture is all that matters and culture is less and less religious. It's not slaves (you and me) that determine culture, it's the powerful that have the levers of power that decide what the culture is or will be.
I stepped on a mine in church, which blew my world up. I decided to try again, and all of the women I approach say the same line word for word- "I have a lot going on in my life, and I'm trying to get closer to God" Time to get away from church!
Re the MGTOW: Unless they plan and prepare to live completely self-sufficiently until they fall over dead, who is going to supply the labour they need to keep living? Other people's offspring?
This guy on the bottom left lives in the land of "Should be" because he has (at least for now) a successful relationship and his attitude is, "It's not happening to me so not my problem! Men just need to 'man up"
I moved to south east asia. (Vietnam) Men out here are still "men" they do not behave in a way there every single action they do with fear they may even ever so slightly bother their wife. The problem is institutional. When you give women what I call "the invisible gun" of false accusation and divorce, *men* *are* *effectively* *castrated* Here in Vietnam, according to how it is practiced , nobody gives a shit about women in the sense they do not get special treatment. In the same way nobody gives a shit about men either. When women mess up, I see men arent afraid to confront their gf about the messup, in the "west" women can throw tantrums, mistreat men, even physically abuse men, and they have to stay quiet
It seems that every time I hear another man on a panel like this disagree with Paul Elam, it's ALWAYS a man who's never been through divorce. Would I be correct in this determination?
A truly great talk, and much to unpack. The key problem is one of Solidarity and Fraternity, and how doing away with such concepts has destroyed the nation. Women show tremendous solidarity and sorority. They will circle the wagons against even perceived attacks from outside. They will be proactive in fighting for what they want. Men, otoh, do exactly the opposite and think they're the noble ones. This is what I call the "Spirit of Adam" because Adam was the first simp. Andrew is right that we need to start small and build up groups of men to advocate for men. Action wins, not reaction. One of the through-points on all of this, though, is that there has to be something for the men, some small little tidbit of carrot instead of all the stick they normally deal with. This is where Solidarity and Fraternity were once the balm to the weary souls of the men in the community. In the early 1900's, when distances were great and travel was slow, as much as 25% of men were members of a local Fraternal Order. These men-only spaces were where the men of the community came together, commisserated each other, talked things out, made deals, and generally worked to keep their towns on an even keel. It was were the young boys learned by example and were guided into becoming young men who would one day take the reins of society. In every single culture in the world, there was never talk about how "women are born with inherent value but men have to go out there and earn their value". This is automatically demeaning to men, and is 100% gynocentric propaganda that's pretty easy to see when you actually stop to think about it. It's stating that 99% of men have no value and never will because they haven't achieved some arbitrary level of success.... even though as Pearl often references, 99% of men are doing the work that keeps society functioning. In other words, even if a young boy never becomes some millionaire, you still very much need him to be a garbageman, doctor, engineer, janitor, mechanic, miner, etc. You need him every bit as much as you need any girl born. They both have inherent value because one literally cannot exist without the other. Where we've gone wrong is in not honoring the men. What woman would want to be hitched to a "beta" when everyone knows that's a second-rate guy? How could we expect women to say they deserve something other than the best they can possibly get rather than "settling"? In my own life experience, and I know a lot of guys feel the same way, it's one thing to have 100% of the women automatically arrayed against you, but really exhausting to see that 98% of other men are also constantly demeaning and belittling you. There's attacks from all sides, and never a hand up. You get told all about how you're not "doing your duty" or whatever, but as Paul noted... who decides what this duty is? If there is a duty, why aren't other men helping me to do that duty? Why don't I get accolades and acceptance and appreciation for the duty that I am doing? Napoleon warned us of this when he rightly noted that, "An army marches on its stomach!" What he was pointing out was that while we all applaud the brave Cavalry and cheer for the proud warriors, we are blinding ourselves to the very real truth that those wonderful men couldn't do what they do if it wasn't for a long line of "unsung heroes" who make it possible -- the cooks, bottle-washers, drivers, tailors, cobblers, builders, etc. In every single culture throughout history, we've seen boys guided and trained to become men. There were always fraternal orders, apprenticeships, and such things because it was understood that some boys would be good hunters or trackers or warriors, but others were more inclined to making bows and knapping stone points and crafting pottery. It was understood that all of those skills were vital to the society. One was not held up as higher than the others, and none were demeaned and belittled, made to seem like they were second-class because they weren't the "cool" guys. I often point out that while I'm not as capable as a Green Beret, all those Green Berets can't do what I've spent a lifetime studying. And, when you think about it, we all need roofers and plumbers a lot more often in our lives than we do a warrior. I need the mechanic to fix my truck just as much as I need the cops who hunt down trouble-makers. You will need the nerdy computer tech to fix your laptop, but when's the last time you really needed a boxer to guard your back? Where Western Society has gone wrong isn't in uplifting women with a slew of false narratives, but in demeaning men with a different false narrative. We talk about how men have a duty to society, which I agree with, but we forget that with that duty society there is also a key point that society (other men) have a duty to the men in the society. You cannot constantly ask something of someone without also offering them something in return.
thank u Lori for all of your support for the everyday housewives (like U& me and many others who chose this loving, caring & devoted field of giving life & caring for those we gave life to Amazing mothers,grandmothers! As opposed to what some women think is better nowadays(career’s) these women are cold calculating sharks distrusting & Butch🤨having to buy a fake penis🤭I’ll have the real thing thank you👍
I have become a fan of Aaron for being such an quiet intent listener. He presents himself well. I will subscribe. I admire Paul and Pearl very much. Andrew and Tim seem to have a bit of tunnel vision. They push the religion route too much. I have to wonder why no one ever mentions that, on average, women have 10% of the testosterone of males. This would account for a lot of human behaviour and interaction. Another important facet that seems to always be ignored . Lastly, no one addresses the people who choose not to have children at all.
There just is no real solution to the question: What if there are WAY too few women who are "marriage material"? It is true that mankind will die out in the long term BUT the only "solution" the christians come up with is for men to pick horrible women and suffer. Society will not change and women will have privileged status for a LONG time no matter how they behave. So for the good of mankind or for the good of god men MUST marry these women and suffer. Pure INSANITY. Unless women change and become less delusional only a stupid man will get into the hornets nest...
We need to get laws passed, we need pro marriage laws that incentivize financially for people to get married. And we need to heavily socially stigmatize single motherhood and financially disincentivize single motherhood and stop giving them money from the government
They are so wrong on demographics that it's laughable. There's no outbreeding the rampant immigration into this country, and you must understand that unfettered immigration will be the Democrats new forever policy. They will always push for it because they understand what demographics mean as well. The demo argument assumes that just because Massachusetts Democrats don't have many kids, that somehow means that they'll eventually run out of progressives. They don't need 1,000,000 Harvard liberals; they just need to keep bringing in 85 IQ Third Worlders who will offer undying loyalty in return for free money and access to the country. Who they are told to vote for, they will vote for; they'll do all the breeding they'll need, and they'll teach their children to vote for them as well. The demographics race has LONG been lost. The smart Gen X'ers I've seen have already understood that they will retire out of the country and are buying land in South America and the Philippines. America will be hell on earth for middle-class legacy Americans in 30yrs. These dudes are fucking delusional.
MGTOW isn't fatalistic; it doesn't assume that we'll automatically lose. MGTOW acknowledges the huge risks involved with marriage; it acknowledges that, in the event of divorce, a man will have his life destroyed; and MGTOW avoids those risks. It's that simple.
Andrew Wilson, always on point. And... there's talk of canceling no fault divorce. This is truly the key. And cohabitation is bullshit. Marry without licensure. Simple
51:05 "for how those men should act in society" Oh, I have an answer. I write computer code for my fully remote job, live minimally, pay a mortgage and watch my brokerage account grow. It's not that bad.
interesting talk. one point that is missed is the fact that many supranormal men opt out of marriage and children because they want to utilize that energy for creativity. Most of the creators and thinkers of the past have been single men. Einstein, Davinci, Tesla, the wright brothers to name a few. society benefits from these supranormal men.
I enjoyed this conversation. My 2 cents, this is a nation under Gods judgement. I pray for repentance. The American church lost its way over 100 years ago and is largely at this point apostate. Repentance is our only way out. Not politics, money or lobbying.
No men are reporting they are not happy because they can’t find a “good” woman. Not that they can’t find “a” woman. To Arnons point there are many married men who are in miserable marriages. Also to Pearls point a man who is miserable being alone would be even worse off if he was with one of these terrible women who are not marriageable.
I completely disagree with trying to lead a woman who doesn’t want to be led. No woman has to force me in anyway to be a good man and take care of my responsibilities so why do I have to treat her like a child and lead her to act correctly and cooperate with me? No work with me let’s solve these problems together. I’m not taking on the world and then taking on my wife when I get home. Also yes those of us who can afford it are going overseas to find good women who still live in a society where they are respectful to men and cooperate with men. That’s exactly what I did. Married to a woman from the Philippines. Happiest I’ve ever been.
