Cooling fan(s) question. I have an ‘86 turbo and slowly troubleshooting the cooling fans. I completely rewired the resistor wiring from under the dash back to the fuse box. The coolant temp sensor in the radiator is new along with an F9 relay (with diagnostics) so I can manually activate the low/high speeds at the push of a button (vs a jumper on the plug). Here’s what working: High speed fans kick on based on temp and manually Low speed fan runs for a few minutes after shutdown and then turns off BOTH fans never kick on at low speed though. The pass side one does as the temp rises but the driver side does not. I know the driver side fan itself is good because it operates on high speed. I can see the low speed light come on the relay as the temp rises so that tells me the temp sensor doing what it’s supposed to. Should BOTH fans be coming on LOW speed during normal operation vs just the one? The result is that the temp creeps up until the light comes on. The fans will drop the gauge back down but the light didn’t reset and turn off (maybe that’s a separate issue). The gauge hit the top line for maybe 30 seconds and then starting dropping down but the temp light and warning light stayed on. I even shutoff the car and restarted thinking it would need to reset. Because the one fan is coming on based on temp, can I rule out a bleeding issue? thanks Bob
@@bobd9868 There are a few things that are out of place here to me, first off the way the temp switch light works is similar to how the thermo fan switch works, at a certain temperature it grounds the circuit to illuminate the warnings on the dash, but below that threshold the light should come off. So there does seem to be an issue at the very least with your coolant temp sensor or instrument cluster. Second of all unless you vacuum bleed the system I would never rule out a bleeding issue causing weirdness with your dash readings. These things are absolute PAINS to bleed properly. Not saying that is your issue, but I am saying you definitely shouldn’t rule it out. Now as for your cooling fan situation, here’s how my fans have always operated between both my 83 and my 86 NA stock fans and aftermarket fans. Above first mark, low speed fans both sides should come on. At or above the thin white mark at the top of the dash is when the high speed fans should kick on and bring the temp back down rather rapidly. Then the fans will continue to cycle. Check your thermo fan switch and make sure you didn’t plug it in upside down or anything so that it’s giving power the wrong direction. Also you might want to double check you’ve ordered the correct temperature range thermofan switch, if it is not paired with your thermostat properly it can cause issues and even cause the car to overheat because the fans are cooling the fluid in the radiator and the thermostat is not opening even though the block is at operating temp. I’d double check your gauge readings with IR temps to see if when the light comes on the head really is at 100c Lastly, I’ll recommend you to Clark’s garage for the fans trouble shooting, there could be something i am missing since your car is a turbo so I would verify with them as a source. I hope this helps at all and if you continue to have questions let me know
@@evanduncan25 I feel you but once your car is cleaned up and all ready to go and if it’s actually in decent condition then it’ll still be worth more than you have in it. Also Jesus 6 grand to get it running? Did you rebuild the entire engine? 6 grand is like a full Lindsey racing head build with solid lifters a cam exhaust and engine reseal worth of parts.
@@TakeFlightGarage it’s actually in pretty good condition with no rust at all other than on the muffler. It’s just having starting issues but other than that it’s good.
@@evanduncan25 I’ve been seeing a lot of people asking questions about no starts, as well as rough starts, rough running etc so I’ll try to put together a quick guide for diagnosing all that stuff soon when I get a chance
I've been in need of a new car and I've been interested and doing casual research on the 944 the past year or 2 on em and just found a turbo for about 7.5k on fb marketplace it runs and has 120xxx miles on it but it definitely looks like its been stored in a barn for a while but seems to be in pretty decent condition I don't really have much experience on working on cars but I'd like to be able to have a car thats manageable and fun do you think this is a good beginner car? Or even possible to have it be a daily?
@@xoxo_dumbgirl2198 it’ll be a lot of work to get any 944 especially a turbo up and running, but once you catch them up on maintenance they can be extremely great and fun cars to daily. A turbo for that price if it’s not got any rust is definitely a car worth at least going to look at, but it will be a little more difficult/ expensive to bring back to life, but it is certainly doable. If you’re really new to cars and just want something to wrench on specifically to just dive in and learn, I recommend getting started with an 8 valve NA car. It won’t be fast but it will be a great way to get your feet wet with with learning how to wrench and because the NA isn’t as desirable as a turbo, for that same 7.5k you could probably get a really solid condition car depending on what area you’re in! If you want to see what a lot of the work is like I recommend you check out Edredas and nc944er here on RU-vid, they both make excellent videos on showing what it’s like to work on these cars. Now if you are gonna start with a car and go ground up on it anyways and want something boosted then turbo all the way ;)
One other thing to mention though, if this is a car you want to go crazy with modifying, the turbo will give you waaaaay more opportunity to modify and make faster, where the NA is much more difficult to bump the performance on in which case if you’re gonna spend that amount you might as well go for the turbo to begin with. It all really depends on how you want to own the car, what you want to do with it, and most importantly how you intend to drive it
@TakeFlightGarage honestly, I mostly want to restore it, and have it be reliable if I wanna upgrade/boost performance somewhere along the way it'd be pretty nice to be able to do that down the road depending on the condition the one I'm currently eyeing is in of course 😅
@@xoxo_dumbgirl2198 turbos always complicate things because they add so much more heat to the equation snd that’s really what you have to deal with degraded plastics rubber hoses sensors all that kind of stuff gets added to the list of things to stay ontop of belts and clutch and ofc turbo. It just all boils down to what you can afford and how much time you have. I’d still go look at the turbo just so you can see one up close and maybe ask the owner some questions etc. as long as your up front about your intentions ususally 944 owners will be cool with helping out like that
@TakeFlightGarage Damn. I'm in Tucson and I am wanting to have the windows tinted on my 1987 Porsche 944. I can't find anyone here that will even attempt the rear hatch.
@@donaldclary846 That was the EXACT problem I had. Been searching for 8 years before finally coming across these guys and they did a great job. It may be worth the drive but that’s up to you. If you do decide to contact them tell them Jake with the Red 944 recommended them! They will be able to answer any questions you might have
Yo what??? Are these brights or dimmed? If that’s the dimmed setting I might have to upgrade… my normal lights are like using my phone flashlight to see 😭
@@TakeFlightGarage bro okay i definitely need new lights then, I’d be better off without them on… I have watched your other videos about the headlights!! I’m going to try find some without those rings and perhaps a more yellow colour just for the more OEM look yk
@@ireiaandHands down your first mod should be headlights hahahaha. Life changing! I think these guys make models without the rings, but there is a big difference between projectors and reflector housings etc. plus with all the Chinese brands no two products will perform the same so just make sure you do a lot of research before you choose a set!
That red interior in the S2 with the pasha is awesome hahaha… maybe I’ll put it in my car and somehow save the original leather on the sport seats I have
I cant tell you the last time i saw one of these in person. And the last couple i saw were ragged out. Its good to see theres still some clean ones out here. Maybe i didnt completely miss my window for one.
@@mcgoo721 definitely not there’s been a resurgence of love for these cars and prices have actually come back down. You can get a very clean example with under 100k miles for an NA model for less than $20,000
Must be cold in your part of Az, looks like your IAT is -22degrees!!!! One of the main reasons I wass going to get the OBD2 version was to test IAT with cone vs stock filter (on a turbo) but now seeing it not work...can't wait for the follow up video.
@@davidkaehele8910 lol definitely not BUT I did film this back in January or February so who knows maybe the car pulling vacuum drops the temps 😂 My guess is maybe it has something to do with the MAF conversion
@TakeFlightGarage Probably. The IAT is normally in the AFM, I believe, so when you replace it with a MAF I assumed the MAF would also have a provision for IAT that would use the same resistance values. Maybe since you are using a LR MAF (if I remember correctly) this is calibrated to the F9T MAF that uses different values?
@@davidkaehele8910 Joe explains how it all works on the forums in rennlist. From what I remember him saying the MAF needs to basically do a computation that outputs the proper signal the DME is looking for. I also wasn’t running the MAF firmware mode so that could explain it to. This is an outdated version of the software btw at this point now like 2 versions older. I won’t know what’s really going on until I’m able to sort out a solution for being able to run the OBD either to a display within the car or building a dedicated test setup in the garage for it. (Couple hints for what’s in store for future projects 👍🏻)
This is meant to be an EXTREMELY crude look at what some of the features of the OBD Software is capable of. A very fast video just to show you what the user interface is like, and an idea of what type of data this AMAZING product offers you real time access to. I’ll be doing an in depth explanation and review now that I’ve had time to live with it in future videos. If you don’t want to wait for something like that here’s my take after nearly a decade of owning 944s. This is hands down the greatest aftermarket product that has ever been developed for the 944. Period.
This is helpful. I’m early in my Porsche 924S journey. This has been a struggle but this video helped me. It isn’t the end of the world at all. But I can feel - and relate - to the emotional part Thanks for posting 😊
@@ireiaand Made me happy to see a guards red early car with cookies for sure hahahaha. Gonna edit all the clips I took of all those cars so keep an eye out!
Great video great car and one of my future plans to own one, But I think it lost the classic look with the halo headlight, Look up for retro bright by holley they look classic with modern LEDs, I used it for 2 of my cars and they work great.
@@drswigermd I’ll always appreciate open and honest feedback and you certainly don’t have to like it. However, last I checked my name is on the title of this particular car, and not yours so I think I’ll spec my car to my taste. If you don’t own one already I highly encourage you to pick one up and restore it however you see fit.
@@ireiaand Nope! Thankfully I haven’t had to mess with these carpets, but I did however dye the dash cover. If you go back and watch some earlier videos you can see just how horribly faded it was from the sun out here, there actually should be a dedicated video I made on restoring it that you should be able to apply to your carpets!
@@TakeFlightGarage hmmm okay I’ll have a look for that! Not sure if I should use the liquid dye for clothing sorta things or like some automotive spray on dye, I’ve heard the spray on can make it sorta rough. What did you use?
@@ireiaand I used one of the duplicolor spray dyes and it did harden up the fibers but I think for something like the carpets you would never ever notice the change in texture
@@rrassoc check out the description for a breakdown of all the components. If anything your S2 will sound even better because of the dual valves per cylinder
@@TakeFlightGarage haha yea I suppose uh 40 year old rubber isn’t going to be the best but me too that’s pretty awesome! Apparently the prior owner using the original air compressor was able to inflate mine again too!
@@ireiaandthat’s so awesome hahahhaha. I have my compressor too but I’m scared to use it I don’t want to break it 😂 I love all the little extra stuff about of people kept with the cars.
I don’t know what the proper operating temperature of the coolant or cylinder head, but I know that water boils at 100C (212-214F). But depending on your coolant mixture, that will affect your boiling point. Sorry, can’t help you much. Maybe try another sending unit, test two sending units for comparison? By the time you get this message, hop you’ve figured it out.
@@glow9999 I appreciate your feedback. Since this video I decided to completely overhaul the entire cooling system on the car with upgraded modern components, and i actually filmed a series documenting the upgrades on my channel. A year later and the car has been holding up to 115 degree heat
That's amazing! I've been wanting to somehow swap my cluster for individual gauges but I have no idea how to make the individual gauges work , but this is a big help at least for try the setup.
@@artkapana the nice thing about a lot of these custom gauges is that they really only require ignition power and tapping in for the lights. Specific things like a tachometer can be tied into the ignition coil for the signal, and similar after market sensors can be installed for oil pressure/ coolant temperature etc. The next thing I need to try to teach myself is how to design a circuit board. If I can make an adapter that the factory plugs can plug into, with all the proper leads to feed the gauges that would be amazing. The only thing I need to come up with is a way to preserve things like the seatbelt warning, the parking brake/ idiot light, and a couple of other message lights within the cluster.
