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That’s my complaint, and I’ve been shot down many times for expressing it Lol. Most of the pastors/watchmen have the same attitude… They are right and everybody else is wrong. And if you don’t believe them, you’re either stupid, following false doctrine, being misled, not saved, or not being led by the Holy Spirit. I have unsubscribed to several channels for this reason. I like hearing everybody’s point of view, and then let the holy spirit lead me in the right direction. You are 100% right… Nobody knows the 100% truth. Only God does✝️
Rapture is a poor word to use. It's not in your Bible. It means 1st Resurrection to many but 2nd Death to others, both are covered in Rev 20. Rapture is used by the APOSTATE church to CONFUSE. Enoch (PROPHET)
Israel today means the "body" of Christ. The Jewish people play no part in End Days Prophecies EXCEPT they fulfill SEAL 3 of Rev 6, that's it. America is the land of End Days Prophecies. "Babylon" is Washington DC "Sodom" is Las Vegas "Gomorrah" is Salt Lake City "bottomless pit" is in NYC where the Twin Towers once stood. It was opened in 2001. "ALL KINGS" of Rev 17:10-11 are American "ANTICHRIST" is American (it's TRUMP) Enoch (PROPHET)
These Preachers are part of the APOSTASY. The ANTICHRIST of End Days was revealed in 2020. TRUMP is the Last ANTICHRIST. Today the ENTIRE CHURCH is APOSTATE. Enoch (PROPHET)
I have a few questions, you said that all these attacking nations will be united by islam but ethiopia is not an islamic nation, secondly these countries will come to plunder israel, it is well documented that modern day israel is relatively poor in natural resources.
The Rapture/Parousia is already mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:1. Thus, if you interrupt apostasia as the Rapture, you’re saying that the Rapture doesn’t happen until the Rapture takes place. Nonsensical.
Lee Brainard wasn't the first to write about apostasy or discover its etymological history and fingerprint. But he did do a good job reiterating and reenforcing it.
Please answer this: If there is going to be a great apostasy, "Meaning those who leave the faith", what exactly would that mean for those who fall away and were once saved. If you are referring to the church, those being saved, then those who fall away would have had to have been once saved....Are they still saved?
Eternal Security has been a subject of debate amongst the greatest of Church History scholars over the last 2,000 years, so you’re in good company. I fall on the side of believing that salvation is always secure in God's promise, as John 10:28-30 tells us: "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one." Jesus made it very, very clear that if we are one of His “sheep,” then we will never lose our salvation. - NJ
👑🙏✝️🕊🙌 "[HE WHO OVERCOMES] shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels." ~ Revelation 3:5 "[FOR WHATEVER IS BORN OF GOD OVERCOMES THE WORLD]. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-[OUR FAITH]. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?" ~ 1 John 5:4-5 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, [BUT HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN]." ~ Matthew 7:21 "[AND THIS IS THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME], that [EVERYONE WHO SEES THE SON AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE]; and I will raise him up at the last day.” ~ John 6:40 [GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS THROUGH FAITH] "But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. [BOASTING EXCLUDED] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. [THEREFORE WE CONCLUDE THAT A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH APART FROM THE DEEDS OF THE LAW]." ~ Romans 3:21-28 "If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, [YOU WILL BE SAVED]. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved." ~ Romans 10:9-10 For “[WHOEVER] calls on the name of the LORD [SHALL BE SAVED].” ~ Romans 10:13 "In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, [YOU WERE SEALED] with the Holy Spirit of promise, [WHO IS THE GUARANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE] until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory." ~ Ephesians 1:13-14 "For [BY GRACE] you have been saved [THROUGH FAITH, AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES]; it is the gift of God, [NOT OF WORKS], lest anyone should boast." ~ Ephesians 2:8-9 "He saved us, [NOT BY THE RIGHTEOUS DEEDS WE HAD DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY], through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit." ~ Titus 3:5 "And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, [HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES, HAVING WIPED OUT THE HANDWRITING OF REQUIREMENTS] that was against us, which was contrary to us. [AND HE HAS TAKEN IT OUT OF THE WAY, HAVING NAILED IT TO THE CROSS]." ~ Colossians 2:13-14 "I have been crucified with Christ; [IT IS NO LONGER I WHO LIVE, BUT CHRIST LIVES IN ME]; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. [I DO NOT SET ASIDE THE GRACE OF GOD; FOR IF RIGHTEOUSNESS COMES THROUGH THE LAW, THEN CHRIST DIED IN VAIN].” ~ Galatians 2:20-21 "Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you-[UNLESS YOU BELIEVED IN VAIN]. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: [THAT CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES], and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures." ~ 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, [THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE]. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. “[HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT CONDEMNED]; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." ~ John 3:16-18 "[AND I GIVE THEM ETERNAL LIFE, AND THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH]; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; [AND NO ONE IS ABLE TO SNATCH THEM OUT OF MY FATHER’S HAND]. I and My Father are one.” ~ John 10:28-30
If the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Heb. 13:20, why would anyone think God wants a return to the Old Covenant system 7 years before the Second Coming of Christ?
"if we first understand the grammar"????? I don't mean to be disrespectful, but you have absolutely no idea about the grammar! You completely ignored the conditional element in the text ..... ἐὰν μὴ of 2 Thess 2:3. Your exegesis is misguided and deceptive. God bless you both
I am confident that many traditional Christian interpretations and teachings of eschatological things will be found to be incorrect. Interpretations made years ago on the information and evidence available at the time, accepted, adopted and taught for generations, have now embedded themselves into our paradigm and we are blind to them. Cases of unintentional 'predictive programming'? Everything will become clear when we are looking back ... or down.
Andy Woods states that the "apostasy" is the DEPARTURE, however something is then revealed that replaces salvation by grace. (for example UFO Aliens could be accepted/baptized by the Roman Catholic church)
The Holy Spirit will be upon the tribulation saints not in them because some will still take the mark. Salvation is allways by faith. God does not change. Here Andy made a mistake since he confused the judgement of nations for survival due to the relationship with Israel with the personal judgement of the tribulation saints. Amen
A BREIF LITTLE CLIP OF THE FULL PERSPECTIVE YOU GAVE ON PROPHECY WATCHERS, MONDO. ANYONE INTERESTED IN THE FULL DETAIL SEARCH THERE. THIS WAS JUST A LITTLE TASTER... IVE STUDIED BOTH VIEWS AND IM NOW CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THIS PASSAGE FROM A JEWISH PERSPECTIVE. EVERYONE IN THE COMMENTS WHO IS CONDEMNING OTHERS NEED TO LOOM IN THE MIRROR PLEASE, ITS DISGRACEFUL AND SHRIVELLED FRUIT... MARANATHA
WHICH IS THE PHRASEOLOGY THAT THEYRE SCARED OUT OF THIER MIND? I WANT TO KNOW THIS PLEASE... I WAS STUDYING THE KOINE GREEK ASPECT OF THE WORD APOSTASY WITH LEE BRAINARD SIMILARLY AS NOT A PHYSICAL FALLING AWAY...
I think we are. And we have to make sure that we're not going to fall away, too. In the parable of the sower, it's persecution because of the word that caused those who received the word with joy, _that is those who fell on rocky places,_ to fall away.
The problem I find with the apostasia being a gradual departure from the faith is that Paul uses it as a sign post in 2nd Thes as to why the Thessalonians were not in the day of the Lord.
The apostate church has been growing exponentially by the day, the NAR, Gospel of Greed, the Transchurch, etc. The faithful remnant is proportionally diminished and so it goes. Anyone engaging with popular faux Christian music MUST be extremely discerning with the knowledge of biblical doctrine, as the lyrics and the spirit are EXTREMELY INSIDIOUS!
ZAK SPIROS WRETCHED WATCHMAN HAS RESEARCHED THE NEW AGE-TYPE INFLUENCE ON CHRSITIAN MUSIC AND ALSO THE THRREAD TO THE MEGA CHURCHES VIA MONEY... VERY INNFOMATIVE AND CHANGED MY MIND IMMEDIATELY TO ELIMINATE THESE ARTISTS FROM MY PLAYLIST.
@@fabbrofamily7038Zak teaches grace plus works their by nullifying grace. This is evil and wrong. He is a false teacher. He will loose all rewards if he does not change. Amen
No one knows that time when the completion of the bride of Christ is fulfilled but GOD our Father! That moment is referred to as the "fullness of the Gentiles". Romans 11:25. At that time we (Jew and Gentile; Christ's bride) immediately are called up by Christ to go home to heaven. "Raptured" " For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in". Obviously "Jacob's trouble" ( 7 years of ever increasing tribulation) cannot begin until all saved (members of the bride His church from Pentecost) occurs, referred to as the "rapture" and thus this has taken place. John 14:1-6. May GOD richly bless dear brother Nathan even more! We appreciate your ministry.
😡 Ne mettez plus ce genre d'image horrible. Pensez que ça peux rester coincé dans la tête d'un chrétien qui n'a pas demandé à voir ça. Après pour s'en débarrasser ???!!! 😡
Trying to understand the rapture? Paul spells it out for us. 2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, ...by our gathering together unto Him.... 2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. ...day of Christ... 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; ...that day (when we are gathered to Jesus/day of Christ/rapture)... will not arrive until the apostasy happens and the man of sin be revealed. He even warns you not to let any man deceive you in these matters. Peace, PTT
@@pmt7335I AM happy and hopeful and allways exited about the imminent rapture rescue because Jesus is going to evacuate all believers and smal children BEFORE He destroys the earth! God's character is Love and He will always help everyone as much as possible for good. THAT IS THE TRUTH. You are allways sad, hopeless and in fear about a judgment for unbelievers that does not concern you. THAT IS THE LIE God gets all the Glory! Humans are just dust. Amen
@@fabbrofamily7038 the signs have been happening for 2000 years. Like birth, began very slowly, start, stop, start again, long stretch without anything happening, right? Now we're at the end, one pain after another, faster & more intense. Does that help? 😊
Matthew 24 isn't in chronological order. But you can see all the events. Last days signs, the rapture, the tribulation, ( Jacobs trouble) rise of the Antichrist, the new Temple, abomination of desolation, his persecution of the Jews, their flight. You can see He meant the Jews bc #1, only Jews would be honoring the Sabbath at the temple, #2, Jews live on top of their roofs as well as below. then the 2nd coming. That helps my understanding a lot. God bless! ❤
This business of a 'rapture' is the most debated thing since the birthplace of Barak Obama and it's just about as confusing. Jesus (Himself) was asked about His return and the end of the age and he began his answer by saying, beginning in Matt 24: 25-31 .... GO READ THIS FOR YOURSELVES. Immediatly AFTER the Tribulation of Those Days....and then a little later He continues to say that two will be in the field, one taken, one left, two will be grinding, one taken, one left, and the He issues this warning: Watch therefore, for you know not what hour your Lord doth come. If you gents want to strain at gnats and swallow camels over the writings of Paul and others, while the words of Jesus Himself are there for your edification then have at it, but your various notions are tied to your interpretations of timelines of Biblical events that you believe line up with your ideas from your own éxpertise'. I don't believe that your opinions can be counted of any value when only God knows and God decides when He will act for those who love and trust Him.
Greetings, this message is sent in love. "Being taken" is war language from the Old Testament. It is the last thing you want to happen to yourself. For your consideration: 1st Thessalonians 4: when was this book written, to whom, and what does it say? Written circa 52 A.D. to a church that was present in 52 A.D., this letter was not written to you, inserting yourself into the text makes the letter fiction. In every chapter Paul/Silvanus & Timotheus (authors) tell the church members that Christ is coming, in their lifetime, six (6) times in chapters 1:10, 2:19,3:13,4:15-16,5:23, please read your bible, please. This is the second coming/ revelation (Peter & Johns' term)/ resurrection (Pauls' term, because Christ said, "I am the resurrection")/ the gathering/ the restitution/ the reformation, Yom Kippur/ the last day/ the last trumpet, Sukkot, final harvest, John 6. If you received a letter telling "you" that the Lord was coming in your lifetime, 6 times, what would you believe? Matt 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Christ said he would return and that all written prophecy would be fulfilled in the lifetime of the audience to whom he preached, Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Per his own testimony, Christ returned in the first century, fulfilling the rest of the law, fulfilling the final Yom Kippur, Hebrews 9, ending the old covenant, 8:13, destroying the last enemy death (2 Cor 3, please read, please & Gal 4 elaborate). Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him. He did. Daniel tells us Rome would be in power when the everlasting kingdom would be established: Daniel 2:44, 7:14, 9:24. First century, that lasts forever. Christ quoted from Daniel and told "them" (his audience to whom he was speaking) when "you" see the abomination, not us: Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) The Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem, desolation ensued. The entirety of the New Testament authors all tell their immediate audience that Christ was coming, in their lifetime. Christ, Paul, John, James, Peter all say the same thing, it will happen in your lifetime. Christ was not making a joke, while bleeding to death on the cross when he said: Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. He told them wrath, Matt 23:35, was coming on them, same wrath John the Baptist told the priesthood to run from, Matt 3:7 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 The church members are obviously concerned about what has happened to their members who have already died, physically, verse 13. Why? Paul had already told them 4 times in this letter that Jesus Christ was coming. They were looking for the revealing of Christ in his power/righteous judgment. In verse 14 Paul is telling them that God will also gather them, the ones who have already died physically; they were concerned that they would be left out of the gathering. If you die a believer, where do you go to reside? Heaven, this is your final abode. Where does Abraham, Isaac and Jacob live? Moses met Christ at his transfiguration, he was not lying in the ground, for 1400 years awaiting a so-called rapture. Neither was Abraham, who Christ said saw his day and was glad; neither was he lying in the ground for 2,000 years awaiting a so-called rapture. Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Almost all of the prophets talked about the "last/latter" days, this is where the New Testament writers get their doctrine. Peter unequivocally says he is living in the "last days". The last days are defined as the "last days" of their covenant, per the prophets, especially Moses. The saints in heaven are not leaving their abode; they are simply included in the "gathering", which is the resurrection/restitution Paul preached. In verse 15 Paul tells this church, that they were going to "be alive", breathing, when the Lord returned. And obviously they would not precede, go before, the saints who physically died and were already in heaven. The gathering/resurrection/restitution was for all things in heaven and earth. Verse 16 the dead in Christ (a believer who physically died and is now residing in heaven) will be resurrected/gathered first. Why? Christ was sent from heaven by his Father. If you live in heaven, then you obviously will participate in order first. Verse 17 then we which are alive and remain, we (these are breathing Thessalonian church members) Paul told "them" that they would see the coming of the Christ, 6 times in this letter. To "meet" the Lord, this word meet is apantesis. What does this word infer to a first century person? This word is used for a formal meeting of a dignitary. Everyone in antiquity knew this word meant that a dignitary was coming to your city. They knew this meant that you would send out a welcoming party and usher that dignitary into your city, where they would remain. It never refers to someone coming to your city to get you and take you to a different location. The second coming/resurrection/revelation that Paul preached has been accomplished by Christ. Paul tells us in Acts that his doctrine on the resurrection/revelation comes from Moses, the law and prophets. The song of Moses is sung in Rev 15 about the old covenant ending, it did, at the destruction of the temple, the "last day". We are living under the new covenant, within the New Jerusalem in the new heavens and earth, prophesied by Isaiah 64 - 66 and confirmed in Hebrews 8 - 10, which lasts forever. This message is sent in love, your friend
Greetings, this message is sent in love. Men teach doctrines of men. Christ said he would return in the lifetime of the audience to whom he preached, establish the kingdom, and that all written prophecy would be fulfilled in their lifetime, his words, his testimony. Thus, a so-called rapture (another man-made doctrine) would d have to come after all written prophecy has been fulfilled. There is a reason that no one has seen or heard from a prophet of God for nearly 2,000 years. Christ accomplished what he was sent to do, it is finished. this message is sent in love, your friend
@@markmoore3530 Your last dissertation is far too long to be read in a few minutes so I will not reply to it. TMI, sorry. I don't believe for a second that you are correct with your statement that Jesus said He would return during the lifetime of His audience. He was referring to a time in the far future, the time when He returns to judge the earth for His own purposes. And if that audience somehow, as you say, believed He was talking about returning to establish a Kingdom after His resurrection and before He ascended into Heaven, then I believe they were mistaken. Consider, if you will, that He has not returned to rule and reign. I do share your thought that the Rapture is a man made doctrine. It sounds great and believers say the doctine is based upon Scripture but with all that is said and done to promote the idea I cannot find any reason to trust any of it because I don't consider it a doctrine of Jesus. The Jews, who are well known to be God's Chosen People have undergone tremendous trials of faith and Christians have likewise. But the vast, vast majority of modern Christians most certainly have not and I believe that we will also receive a trial by fire of some kind. I think it is arrogant for men to preach doctines of the rapture as if they actually know what they're talking about. They mislead many without any caveat that they might be completely wrong in their beliefs.
Greetings, this message is sent in love. Christ told the apostles he would be back before they finished taking the gospel through the cities of Israel, Matt 10:23. He told everyone that he would return in their lifetime, Matt 16:28. He told the priesthood they would see his return, Mark 14:62. He said all written prophecy would be fulfilled in his audience's lifetime, Luke 21:22 Christ was sent to fulfill the law. He was not sent to set up an earthly kingdom, he actually said the complete opposite. If a person does not know the law, the statutes, the ordinances, then they will never understand why he was sent back and what he was sent to accomplish. A short read for you, Hebrews chapter 9. The entire chapter is about Christ , as the High Priest, about to fulfill the final Yom Kippur, feast. The last feast, per the law, is Sukkot, the ingathering, the final harvest. Christ told the apostles to fish for men, they did. The gospel made it to the known world, and then he returned, Romans 10:18,16:26, Col 1:23. this message is sent in love, your friend
When I hear pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib,... I hear: division, division, division. I'm going to stick to what my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, I tell you- WATCH!
1st Thessalonians 4: when was this book written, to whom, and what does it say? Written circa 52 A.D. to a church that was present in 52 A.D., this letter was not written to you, inserting yourself into the text makes the letter fiction. In every chapter Paul/Silvanus & Timotheus (authors) tell the church members that Christ is coming, in their lifetime, six (6) times in chapters 1:10, 2:19,3:13,4:15-16,5:23, please read your bible, please. This is the second coming/ revelation (Peter & Johns' term)/ resurrection (Pauls' term, because Christ said, "I am the resurrection")/ the gathering/ the restitution/ the reformation, Yom Kippur/ the last day/ the last trumpet, Sukkot, final harvest, John 6. If you received a letter telling "you" that the Lord was coming in your lifetime, 6 times, what would you believe? Matt 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Christ said he would return and that all written prophecy would be fulfilled in the lifetime of the audience to whom he preached, Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Per his own testimony, Christ returned in the first century, fulfilling the rest of the law, fulfilling the final Yom Kippur, Hebrews 9, ending the old covenant, 8:13, destroying the last enemy death (2 Cor 3, please read, please & Gal 4 elaborate). Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him. He did. Daniel tells us Rome would be in power when the everlasting kingdom would be established: Daniel 2:44, 7:14, 9:24. First century, that lasts forever. Christ quoted from Daniel and told "them" (his audience to whom he was speaking) when "you" see the abomination, not us: Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) The Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem, desolation ensued. The entirety of the New Testament authors all tell their immediate audience that Christ was coming, in their lifetime. Christ, Paul, John, James, Peter all say the same thing, it will happen in your lifetime. Christ was not making a joke, while bleeding to death on the cross when he said: Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. He told them wrath, Matt 23:35, was coming on them, same wrath John the Baptist told the priesthood to run from, Matt 3:7 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 The church members are obviously concerned about what has happened to their members who have already died, physically, verse 13. Why? Paul had already told them 4 times in this letter that Jesus Christ was coming. They were looking for the revealing of Christ in his power/righteous judgment. In verse 14 Paul is telling them that God will also gather them, the ones who have already died physically; they were concerned that they would be left out of the gathering. If you die a believer, where do you go to reside? Heaven, this is your final abode. Where does Abraham, Isaac and Jacob live? Moses met Christ at his transfiguration, he was not lying in the ground, for 1400 years awaiting a so-called rapture. Neither was Abraham, who Christ said saw his day and was glad; neither was he lying in the ground for 2,000 years awaiting a so-called rapture. Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Almost all of the prophets talked about the "last/latter" days, this is where the New Testament writers get their doctrine. Peter unequivocally says he is living in the "last days". The last days are defined as the "last days" of their covenant, per the prophets, especially Moses. The saints in heaven are not leaving their abode; they are simply included in the "gathering", which is the resurrection/restitution Paul preached. In verse 15 Paul tells this church, that they were going to "be alive", breathing, when the Lord returned. And obviously they would not precede, go before, the saints who physically died and were already in heaven. The gathering/resurrection/restitution was for all things in heaven and earth. Verse 16 the dead in Christ (a believer who physically died and is now residing in heaven) will be resurrected/gathered first. Why? Christ was sent from heaven by his Father. If you live in heaven, then you obviously will participate in order first. Verse 17 then we which are alive and remain, we (these are breathing Thessalonian church members) Paul told "them" that they would see the coming of the Christ, 6 times in this letter. To "meet" the Lord, this word meet is apantesis. What does this word infer to a first century person? This word is used for a formal meeting of a dignitary. Everyone in antiquity knew this word meant that a dignitary was coming to your city. They knew this meant that you would send out a welcoming party and usher that dignitary into your city, where they would remain. It never refers to someone coming to your city to get you and take you to a different location. The second coming/resurrection/revelation that Paul preached has been accomplished by Christ. Paul tells us in Acts that his doctrine on the resurrection/revelation comes from Moses, the law and prophets. The song of Moses is sung in Rev 15 about the old covenant ending, it did, at the destruction of the temple, the "last day". We are living under the new covenant, within the New Jerusalem in the new heavens and earth, prophesied by Isaiah 64 - 66 and confirmed in Hebrews 8 - 10, which lasts forever. This message is sent in love, your friend
I have actually researched all three positions fairly thoroughly. There is scriptural backing for all three positions🤣 You could fight about it all day, and nobody would win. I’m just looking forward to getting out of this hell hole at the first opportunity… Whenever that is. Gods decision✝️
Evangelical support and idolatry for a thrice married convicted felon, adulterer, and rapist presidential candidate that's never asked God for forgiveness examples apostasy.
So, who are you to judge? From the way I look at things DJT hasn't sinned against you so you should just zip your yap and pray for your own salvation. And BTW, the Lord is free to use whomever He might choose for His purposes.
We’re not voting for a pastor but a strong leader to lead us out of a communist takeover by the left. If they win or steal this election you’ll lose your freedom to worship and speak about your faith let alone child sexual mutilation, open borders and economic collapse. At least he doesn’t support these policies. Have you checked Harris’ past?
One reason that I find this discussion confusing is because they are calling "the day of Christ" the same as "the day of the Lord." I may be wrong, but thought that they were different; day of Christ being the Rapture, and day of the Lord referring to the Second Coming.
You are nearly correct. The day of Christ is the Rapture. The day of the Lord are contextual the seven years of God's wrath culminating in the second coming of Yeshua. Amen
1st Thessalonians 4: when was this book written, to whom, and what does it say? Written circa 52 A.D. to a church that was present in 52 A.D., this letter was not written to you, inserting yourself into the text makes the letter fiction. In every chapter Paul/Silvanus & Timotheus (authors) tell the church members that Christ is coming, in their lifetime, six (6) times in chapters 1:10, 2:19,3:13,4:15-16,5:23, please read your bible, please. This is the second coming/ revelation (Peter & Johns' term)/ resurrection (Pauls' term, because Christ said, "I am the resurrection")/ the gathering/ the restitution/ the reformation, Yom Kippur/ the last day/ the last trumpet, Sukkot, final harvest, John 6. If you received a letter telling "you" that the Lord was coming in your lifetime, 6 times, what would you believe? Matt 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Christ said he would return and that all written prophecy would be fulfilled in the lifetime of the audience to whom he preached, Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Per his own testimony, Christ returned in the first century, fulfilling the rest of the law, fulfilling the final Yom Kippur, Hebrews 9, ending the old covenant, 8:13, destroying the last enemy death (2 Cor 3, please read, please & Gal 4 elaborate). Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him. He did. Daniel tells us Rome would be in power when the everlasting kingdom would be established: Daniel 2:44, 7:14, 9:24. First century, that lasts forever. Christ quoted from Daniel and told "them" (his audience to whom he was speaking) when "you" see the abomination, not us: Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) The Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem, desolation ensued. The entirety of the New Testament authors all tell their immediate audience that Christ was coming, in their lifetime. Christ, Paul, John, James, Peter all say the same thing, it will happen in your lifetime. Christ was not making a joke, while bleeding to death on the cross when he said: Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. He told them wrath, Matt 23:35, was coming on them, same wrath John the Baptist told the priesthood to run from, Matt 3:7 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 The church members are obviously concerned about what has happened to their members who have already died, physically, verse 13. Why? Paul had already told them 4 times in this letter that Jesus Christ was coming. They were looking for the revealing of Christ in his power/righteous judgment. In verse 14 Paul is telling them that God will also gather them, the ones who have already died physically; they were concerned that they would be left out of the gathering. If you die a believer, where do you go to reside? Heaven, this is your final abode. Where does Abraham, Isaac and Jacob live? Moses met Christ at his transfiguration, he was not lying in the ground, for 1400 years awaiting a so-called rapture. Neither was Abraham, who Christ said saw his day and was glad; neither was he lying in the ground for 2,000 years awaiting a so-called rapture. Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Almost all of the prophets talked about the "last/latter" days, this is where the New Testament writers get their doctrine. Peter unequivocally says he is living in the "last days". The last days are defined as the "last days" of their covenant, per the prophets, especially Moses. The saints in heaven are not leaving their abode; they are simply included in the "gathering", which is the resurrection/restitution Paul preached. In verse 15 Paul tells this church, that they were going to "be alive", breathing, when the Lord returned. And obviously they would not precede, go before, the saints who physically died and were already in heaven. The gathering/resurrection/restitution was for all things in heaven and earth. Verse 16 the dead in Christ (a believer who physically died and is now residing in heaven) will be resurrected/gathered first. Why? Christ was sent from heaven by his Father. If you live in heaven, then you obviously will participate in order first. Verse 17 then we which are alive and remain, we (these are breathing Thessalonian church members) Paul told "them" that they would see the coming of the Christ, 6 times in this letter. To "meet" the Lord, this word meet is apantesis. What does this word infer to a first century person? This word is used for a formal meeting of a dignitary. Everyone in antiquity knew this word meant that a dignitary was coming to your city. They knew this meant that you would send out a welcoming party and usher that dignitary into your city, where they would remain. It never refers to someone coming to your city to get you and take you to a different location. The second coming/resurrection/revelation that Paul preached has been accomplished by Christ. Paul tells us in Acts that his doctrine on the resurrection/revelation comes from Moses, the law and prophets. The song of Moses is sung in Rev 15 about the old covenant ending, it did, at the destruction of the temple, the "last day". We are living under the new covenant, within the New Jerusalem in the new heavens and earth, prophesied by Isaiah 64 - 66 and confirmed in Hebrews 8 - 10, which lasts forever. This message is sent in love, your friend
I happen to agree with Andy Woods on this issue. I believe Paul is saying the same thing in three different ways. 2 Thessalonians 2:1 Paul describes our gathering together to Him, 2:3 actually says that the day of the Lord will not come unless the falling away/apostasy comes first and the man of sin is revealed, 2:7-8 says only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way and then the lawless one be revealed. In all three instances, something happens first, which I believe is the rapture described in the 3 verses, then the son of perdition is revealed, then the day of the Lord. To me, it's undeniable that the apostasy is a single event/rapture.
@jesusisthelivinggod1791 Thank you for the kind words, but I am unable to take credit for my understanding. God's Spirit is who leads me. I firmly believe that if all we have is the commentary from the people of God from days past, then Daniel's prophecy can never come to fruition. The book is sealed until the end, and if we are at the end, there has to be a better understanding of God's word. God bless and Maranatha Lord Jesus
@tonybaker9651 YOU would be contradicting two thousand years of church teaching. Apostasia is the Latin word used in this passage and NEVER has it been translated as the RAPTURE.
@heavenbound358 Prior to 1611, the word used was from its root word, meaning departure. Again, the book has been sealed until the end. Since we are in the end, we should expect a better understanding of God's word. God bless
How can it be meaning the Jews when they are already Apostate? Sorry, it makes the most sense that it's the physical departure of the church happening first. But maybe that just means that there won't be a long interlude between the Rapture and the Tribulation like some speculate and the Rapture kicks off the Tribulation.
1st Thessalonians 4: when was this book written, to whom, and what does it say? Written circa 52 A.D. to a church that was present in 52 A.D., this letter was not written to you, inserting yourself into the text makes the letter fiction. In every chapter Paul/Silvanus & Timotheus (authors) tell the church members that Christ is coming, in their lifetime, six (6) times in chapters 1:10, 2:19,3:13,4:15-16,5:23, please read your bible, please. This is the second coming/ revelation (Peter & Johns' term)/ resurrection (Pauls' term, because Christ said, "I am the resurrection")/ the gathering/ the restitution/ the reformation, Yom Kippur/ the last day/ the last trumpet, Sukkot, final harvest, John 6. If you received a letter telling "you" that the Lord was coming in your lifetime, 6 times, what would you believe? Matt 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Christ said he would return and that all written prophecy would be fulfilled in the lifetime of the audience to whom he preached, Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Per his own testimony, Christ returned in the first century, fulfilling the rest of the law, fulfilling the final Yom Kippur, Hebrews 9, ending the old covenant, 8:13, destroying the last enemy death (2 Cor 3, please read, please & Gal 4 elaborate). Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him. He did. Daniel tells us Rome would be in power when the everlasting kingdom would be established: Daniel 2:44, 7:14, 9:24. First century, that lasts forever. Christ quoted from Daniel and told "them" (his audience to whom he was speaking) when "you" see the abomination, not us: Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) The Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem, desolation ensued. The entirety of the New Testament authors all tell their immediate audience that Christ was coming, in their lifetime. Christ, Paul, John, James, Peter all say the same thing, it will happen in your lifetime. Christ was not making a joke, while bleeding to death on the cross when he said: Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. He told them wrath, Matt 23:35, was coming on them, same wrath John the Baptist told the priesthood to run from, Matt 3:7 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 The church members are obviously concerned about what has happened to their members who have already died, physically, verse 13. Why? Paul had already told them 4 times in this letter that Jesus Christ was coming. They were looking for the revealing of Christ in his power/righteous judgment. In verse 14 Paul is telling them that God will also gather them, the ones who have already died physically; they were concerned that they would be left out of the gathering. If you die a believer, where do you go to reside? Heaven, this is your final abode. Where does Abraham, Isaac and Jacob live? Moses met Christ at his transfiguration, he was not lying in the ground, for 1400 years awaiting a so-called rapture. Neither was Abraham, who Christ said saw his day and was glad; neither was he lying in the ground for 2,000 years awaiting a so-called rapture. Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Almost all of the prophets talked about the "last/latter" days, this is where the New Testament writers get their doctrine. Peter unequivocally says he is living in the "last days". The last days are defined as the "last days" of their covenant, per the prophets, especially Moses. The saints in heaven are not leaving their abode; they are simply included in the "gathering", which is the resurrection/restitution Paul preached. In verse 15 Paul tells this church, that they were going to "be alive", breathing, when the Lord returned. And obviously they would not precede, go before, the saints who physically died and were already in heaven. The gathering/resurrection/restitution was for all things in heaven and earth. Verse 16 the dead in Christ (a believer who physically died and is now residing in heaven) will be resurrected/gathered first. Why? Christ was sent from heaven by his Father. If you live in heaven, then you obviously will participate in order first. Verse 17 then we which are alive and remain, we (these are breathing Thessalonian church members) Paul told "them" that they would see the coming of the Christ, 6 times in this letter. To "meet" the Lord, this word meet is apantesis. What does this word infer to a first century person? This word is used for a formal meeting of a dignitary. Everyone in antiquity knew this word meant that a dignitary was coming to your city. They knew this meant that you would send out a welcoming party and usher that dignitary into your city, where they would remain. It never refers to someone coming to your city to get you and take you to a different location. The second coming/resurrection/revelation that Paul preached has been accomplished by Christ. Paul tells us in Acts that his doctrine on the resurrection/revelation comes from Moses, the law and prophets. The song of Moses is sung in Rev 15 about the old covenant ending, it did, at the destruction of the temple, the "last day". We are living under the new covenant, within the New Jerusalem in the new heavens and earth, prophesied by Isaiah 64 - 66 and confirmed in Hebrews 8 - 10, which lasts forever. This message is sent in love, your friend
The early English versions from Tynedale to the 1599 Geneva bible have "departing" in 2Thessalonians 2:3. It was only the Bishop's bible which went to "falling away".
Regardless; if we dont read ourselves into being the removed restrainer.. the apostasia (from the root word apostasy ie a perverted faith following) would straight up mean that falling away / departure from Christ to the Antichrist. Wouldnt it.
The man of sin, the son of perdition: 2 Thessalonians 2 Greetings friend, this message is sent in love. Revelation was written circa 65 A.D. and fulfilled 66 -70 A.D. Rev 17:10, the "one is" is Nero, reigned 54 - 68 A.D. Almost every prophet talks about the "last/latter" days of the Mt.Sinai/Mosaic covenant. The "last days" are defined as the last days of this old covenant. Daniel gives the dates when the new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-43) would be established, chapters 2:44, 7:14, 9:24,12:2, while Rome is in power, the 4th empire, this is the second coming/resurrection (Pauls' term) revelation (Peter & Johns' term) that all of the new testament writers told their immediate audiences they would witness, in their lifetime. Christ was very specific pertaining to his return date. Matthew 16:27-28. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Christ told the priesthood standing in front of him: Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. In the lifetime of his audience, this generation, Christ returned, to fulfill the law, per his own testimony. Please read your bible, every word, every sentence, all of it. Pertaining to the man of sin, read Jocephus, whom was an eyewitness to the revelation of Jesus Christ. Wars of the Jews book 4, chapter 3, section 7. The revelation that Peter told his audience they would witness, 1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ, because Peter told the whole world that they were living in the "last days". Ananus was the high priest in the first century A.D. when the song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32) was being fulfilled, "latter days", being sung in Revelation 15. He was murdered by the Idumeans and replaced with a "false" high priest named Phannias. There is a possibility that Phannias is the man of sin spoken of by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Obviously, the Thessalonian church members knew who was holding back the man of sin, (Paul said they knew him). 2 Thess 2:5-6 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. The Thessalonians would have known the priests in Jerusalem. They would have known that Ananus was the high priest, until he was murdered. Thus, Ananus was holding back the man of sin, Phannias. John also told his audience the antichrist was coming, it is the last time (he repeats this statement twice). 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. And follows with verse 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. Letting his audience know that they are about to witness the revelation/resurrection of Jesus Christ. At the end of Johns gospel, John 21:18-24, we find Christ telling Peter he was going to die a martyr and why does it matter to him if John is still alive when he returns? Christ returned, destroyed the temple in judgment, fulfilling the law, the last Yom Kippur, Hebrews 9. Most Christians and Jews are still looking for a Messiah, that the scriptures teach has already come and established his kingdom. Again, this message is sent in love, your friend
Come and see! - 1 Timothy 4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Colorado Springs is nice in the summer months. Use to haul loads of 40,000lbs of red bull from Geodis in Baytown, Tx a thousand miles through old Comanche Territory right up there near Pikes Peak. Remember the church, not even hundreds of nonkingdom gentile doctrines of men denominational divisions churches of gone back in ones are the Faith. Our Faith is a Kingdom Faith. Christians have abandoned being New Covenant Kingdom builders. Separation of the church from her proper Kingdom estate as antikingdom apostate christian outlaws build up a secular humanist new world order of the deceiver of the nations being prepared as if a bride of the coming Anti-christ of anti-christs is not very wise. They call good evil and evil good concerning the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. Pop culture Christianity that loves the false gospel of democracy has moved away from the Kingdom towards democracy&capitalism that is now moving towards socialism and then full blown communism & all those things and more shall be gathered together into the one world government of the man of lawlessness (Against the Kingdom because CHRIST the KING of kings of Christendom took back the power that Adam&Eve even original sin gave the deceiver of the nations.) so the best hedge against those things is for Christians in America, the New World, at these end of New Testament times is to Build a New Covenant Kingdom no of the world that succeeds where old covenant Israel and old world Christendom failed. Sow pray,"Thy Kingdom come to America. Thy will be done in America as it is in Heaven." Understanding of what,"Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at Hand!!!",prior to the man of sin being revealed like when the 2 witnesses are killed would be good for they descend before they ascend as the LORD of Hosts did as well. Kingdom hermeneutic perspective is far superior to the watered version of what the church means and theologies that remain in the great apostasy against the Kingdom. But since Eve the woman has desired to rule over the man and the church bride has done that to the Kingdom Body of CHRIST that she should call master like Sarah called Abraham. The context of the New Testament was indeed unity of the two but 2000 years later the church is as far away from the Kingdom as Israel was at the first coming of the MESSIAH and that was the great apostasy that led to Israel being rejected as a bride like so many churches now. Religion is dependent on the Kingdom that is Eternal and most of what is thought to be the church is passing away.
INTERESTING THOUGHTS, WITH THEOLOGICAL ERROR BUT INTERESTING. ALL EYES ON ISRAEL BROTHER, PROPHECY IS UNFOLDING BEFORE OUR EYES AND THE RAPTURE IS IMMINENT AND FAIRLY IMMEDIATE TOO AS A RESULT
@fabbrofamily7038 Well as a man who has a scar on the palm of my right hand that makes a little cross from the day of my baptism as a child 37 years ago I look forward to hearing the words,"Come Up Here",prior to the rapture and if you have never died then you have never really lived so you can look forward to that because it will help you learn a few lessons about Kingdom authority, obedience, & humility. Amen.
@@jesusisthelivinggod1791 i am curious if I misunderstood. I like Mondo, and really enjoyed his videos on the observatory. I got the feeling that this interview was rushed and a more in depth explanation would have helped me.
@@DaisyFinsThen you are ripe to listen to Dr. Andy Woods because he really takes his time! I never have seen such a patient and humble teacher. Andy is correct that in 2. Thes. the Departure (apostasia) is the Rapture. Lee and Mondo are wrong. Amen
@@DaisyFins MONDO HAS EXPLAINED THIS INTERPRETATION ON PROPHECY WATCHERS, SEARCH THERE FOR IT. AND TRULU NO NEED FOR SUCH CONDEMNATION (ABOVE) IN A THEOLOGY CONVO MARANATHA.
@@jesusisthelivinggod1791 THO WOODS' TAKE WAS VERY DETAILED AND THOROUGH IT IS STILL VERY DEBATABLE, AS THE LIST OF SCHOLARS WHO DO NOT HAVE THIS VIEW IS VERY LONG.
