The current WR (which is around 5 seconds faster than my 39:14), uses the Psychological class. It honestly really surprised me that any other class was competitive with Biological but yeah Psychological and Biological are both viable. I think Biological has slightly more potential, but is more RNG-reliable (to get a really good run on Biological you would need both the 1/6 Unholy Runeblade on the first try and the 1/4 Emerald Death from The Hydra)

I do have a run here where I do a legendary run with all 3 classes ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ychauSLb8uI.html although this uses a glitch which makes the game quite a bit easier so thats probably not what youre looking for if you wanna see a glitchless legend run with all 3 classes, you can watch zabolec's run here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-92eqZGmhhvs.html he's very good at the game so I recommend giving it a watch :)

Thank you! I did do a run of all classes on heroic mode (basically all achievements), which includes a psychological run that goes all the way to zone 7. That run does use a bug though where you can basically get level 30 at the start of the game, you can find it here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ychauSLb8uI.html if this is what you were looking for

@@CreepyGar I got it, thanks, I already left a comment about that bug in another video.

I will try to work on it in the coming days!

Thanks man! :D

simplified formula with LVL 1 smash values IDKM = [Smash,1,0,1,0,15,0,6,8,1,Melee,0xFF0000,Attack,BOOM_SLASHORANGE,Full Damage,1,0,Smash,Hit3] IDKM2= [Physical,0,1.6,0,0,0,0,0,1,5,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,Attack the enemy for 160% of your total Strength and 5 extra points of Damage.,Costs 15 Focus. (CD: 6),1,0] PERCALK = (IDKC.PERU[IDKM2[0]] + IDKC.SPEEDU / 2) / (25 + 5 * IDKC.plevel) * 25; DEFCALK = IDKT.DEFU[IDKM2[0]] / (25 + 5 * IDKT.plevel) * 25 - (IDKC.plevel - IDKT.plevel) * 3; numberOutputInner1 = (IDKC.STRENGTHU + IDKM2[1]) * IDKM2[2] + (IDKC.MAGICU + IDKM2[3]) * IDKM2[4] + (IDKC.SPEEDU + IDKM2[5]) * IDKM2[6] + IDKC.FOCUSN * IDKM2[11] + IDKM2[9] + IDKC.DMG + IDKT.IDMG; coEFKN6723 = IDKM2[10]; perScript(PERCALK,DEFCALK,IDKM2); if(_root.perKSuccess) // this means crit { _root.GridShaker.play(); coEFKN6724 = 1 - (DEFCALK - PERCALK) / 100; if(coEFKN6724 < 0) { coEFKN6724 = 0; } } else { coEFKN6724 = 1 - DEFCALK * (1 - PERCALK / 200) / 100; if(coEFKN6724 < 0) { coEFKN6724 = 0; } } _root.DamageOutputKrinFinal = Math.ceil(numberOutputInner1 * coEFKN6723 * coEFKN6724 * (1 + IDKC.DMG2) * (1 + IDKT.IDMG2));

interesting things about crit: each battle generates random array of 100 numbers from 0-100. So if you get crit with this skill on turn 5 you would also get crit on turn 105 205 305 405...

Thank you!

Thanks!

if you press CTRL + Enter during a stage, it automatically makes the stage end in a victory for you. You can also use it to spawn a glitchy arena fight that instantly gets you to level 30 like I did later. This way of playing the game is kinda stupid because you dont even have to play any stages anymore except for the last one so a lot of my other runs ban the use of this glitch in battle

Flashpoint, I think it still can lag if your pc isn't good enough though, not sure but its definitely a lot better than on the armorgames site sometimes...

it's probably something specific to the way you are playing the game. Personally most of us play on Flashpoint where the shortcut is what it says. If you're talking about anything else (like the text put in before the "training" fight) then that's another thing, when I was testing I got different results for the same text input (sometimes sonny and all teammates would just die instantly at the start of the fight or stuff like that) so if that's the problem try to restart your file and do everything in the order that it's done in the video, that worked consistently for me. I'm assuming it's about the CTRL+Enter thing which as you might've seen you're not the first person to point out. If this is the issue maybe you can tell me what you're playing on and I can ask some other people what the equivalent method would be on that platform (my knowledge on what causes this behavior is pretty limited, I pretty much pieced this together by trial and error using tricks other people found).

@@CreepyGar I'm talking about the code copy and paste and yeah I'm playing on flashpoint too

@@zekrom129 did you make sure to exit out first and go into PVP arena, select your new file for both characters and then exit the pvp arena before you do CTRL+Enter and paste the text in the enemy slot? Otherwise the trick wont work

@@CreepyGar i followed your steps exactly, but it keeps sayings the character data is incomplete. I even named my character "l" like you do in the speedrun. kept the class and even the settings you picked, the exact same. currently my record for no major glitches is about 3 hours, but I'm having trouble resetting the game to no achievements on flashpoint

@@zekrom129 as far as I know there is no way to reset achievements on Flashpoint, which made it a bit tricky when I did my All Achievements run but each achievement can still be verified. As for the flash manipulation Im afraid Im out of knowledge to help you, as I said I found this through trial and error so I dont know why it works or why it wouldnt. If you want to ask people that know more about the game though I suggest asking in the speedrunning discord (look on the forum for Sonny on speedrun.com for the link), I hope those people will be able to help you

it is pretty precise but yeah this does save a trip to Spiderweb Island, you can do it from the left side as well which can be a bit faster but the zombie that keeps respawning there makes it really annoying to line up on the correct pixel

thought it does use an exploit to get to level 30 at the start of the game, I also have a run of that, you can watch it here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iu44eBUAhG0.html sadly I don't know of anyone trying to do a speedrun of heroic mode without this exploit :(

Thank you so much! Important to note though (idk if you were implying this so sorry if my assumption is wrong) that the 1P WR is 5:21:36 by hardcore as shown on the splits, it's just hidden on SRC because of his faster 2P run, but again thank you so much for the kind words

(copied from my all achievements run) Aside from everything that's obvious in the video, a couple of things must be done to get the fight to work correctly (this took me like an hour to figure out even with the knowledge I had so it's very tricky and I had some times where the buggy fight wouldn't work and I still don't know exactly why, so if that happens to you make sure to restart a save file and do exactly what I do in the run). Firstly the way you reach this menu is by pressing CTRL + Enter while in the overworld. This is the frame advance feature but for some reason it causes this menu to show up. Using it in battle also causes the battle to instantly end in a win for your team, and counts for advancing the story (which is why the category is specified as no stage skips). Afterwards we want the training fight to be as easy as possible. This was really tricky to figure out, since it's not really obvious how we can import either a weak or a buggy opponent. In the end though, the data I found to work is exactly the text: START_!&!%,*$*,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,*$*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,*$*,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,*$*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,*$*,7,*$*,!&!%_END make sure there are no extra spaces at the end! if you get a message saying something along the lines of "make sure the data starts with START and ends with END" that doesn't mean it won't work but most likely just that you didn't post it correctly! If you still can't get it to work you can join the discord (link on speedrun.com) and we can work things out there :) if you paste this into the import character screen, the fight should end in a win for you as long as sonny is not the only one entering the battle. There are some other weird features this whole fight has that I can't really make sense of. For example: in the run I always select my newly made file twice while setting it up in the pvp arena since I don't want to use any files made before the start of the run (this is even banned in the rules). However let's say you have a fight played up until the end of zone 5 that has Sonny, Veradux and Roald as your party members and you select this file as the second player, while still selecting your new file as the first player. Even though you will still overwrite that save data with the text pasted above, after ending the same buggy fight for some reason the game will max out roalds level as well, even though you won't have even unlocked him yet. Another key thing I should mention is that I save and quit to title once more after the buggy fight is done. This is because when you go into a fight like this, for some reason the game will replace the enemy in the middle with a buggy copy of sonny like the one you fought in the buggy fight. Not only is this not the pure way you'd play the game, but your sonny will also still die after the first turn, just like he does in the buggy fight. Reloading the save file is the only way I found that resets this behavior back to normal. A similar trick also works in sonny, although there you won't gain infinite exp even though it says NaN because exp gain is capped to the next levelup in that game (leveling up there would also be kinda bad since leveling up greatly reduces your piercing in sonny 1 only) I hope that explains everything, it's pretty fun to play around with so if you have any more questions feel free to ask!

​@@CreepyGar Wow, didn't expect a reply. Interesting that after all these years, there are still techniques for speedrunning. Also that Sonny 1 piercing reduction is just _memeish_ lmao, Krin is such a troll. Anyways, might as well give it a try -since Sonny 3 doesn't exist- , thanks once again!

Thank you! :)

Thanks! Aside from everything that's obvious in the video, a couple of things must be done to get the fight to work correctly (this took me like an hour to figure out even with the knowledge I had so it's very tricky and I had some times where the buggy fight wouldn't work and I still don't know exactly why, so if that happens to you make sure to restart a save file and do exactly what I do in the run). Firstly the way you reach this menu is by pressing CTRL + Enter while in the overworld. This is the frame advance feature but for some reason it causes this menu to show up. Using it in battle also causes the battle to instantly end in a win for your team, and counts for advancing the story (which is why the category is specified as no stage skips). Afterwards we want the training fight to be as easy as possible. This was really tricky to figure out, since it's not really obvious how we can import either a weak or a buggy opponent. In the end though, the data I found to work is exactly the text: START_!&!%,*$*,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,*$*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,*$*,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,undefined,*$*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,NODATA,*^*,*$*,7,*$*,!&!%_END Make sure this is the exact text and that there are no extra spaces or anything added at the end! If you get an error message saying something along the lines of "Make sure the data starts with START and ends with END" it most likely means the text was put in wrong, so try a couple more times with some adjustments, maybe post the text somewhere else and then copy it again. If you still can't get it to work then you can join the sonny discord (link on speedrun.com) and ask us there :) if you paste this into the import character screen, the fight should end in a win for you as long as sonny is not the only one entering the battle. There are some other weird features this whole fight has that I can't really make sense of. For example: in the run I always select my newly made file twice while setting it up in the pvp arena since I don't want to use any files made before the start of the run (this is even banned in the rules). However let's say you have a fight played up until the end of zone 5 that has Sonny, Veradux and Roald as your party members and you select this file as the second player, while still selecting your new file as the first player. Even though you will still overwrite that save data with the text pasted above, after ending the same buggy fight for some reason the game will max out roalds level as well, even though you won't have even unlocked him yet. Another key thing I should mention is that I save and quit to title once more after the buggy fight is done. This is because when you go into a fight like this, for some reason the game will replace the enemy in the middle with a buggy copy of sonny like the one you fought in the buggy fight. Not only is this not the pure way you'd play the game, but your sonny will also still die after the first turn, just like he does in the buggy fight. Reloading the save file is the only way I found that resets this behavior back to normal. A similar trick also works in sonny, although there you won't gain infinite exp even though it says NaN because exp gain is capped to the next levelup in that game (leveling up there would also be kinda bad since leveling up greatly reduces your piercing in sonny 1 only) I hope that explains everything, it's pretty fun to play around with so if you have any more questions feel free to ask!

@@CreepyGar Thank you again for you guide , it works smootly . Now I can enjoy the game even more and maybe get to the zone 6 and 7 that I never reached and even know about them .

this is the type of clickbait mastery I need in my life

did you notice green orbs so? xd

Thanks!

Happy to hear that! :)

Old comment. But in case you haven’t played it yet, you should. Best replayability in the series by far.

Thank you! There are still a lot of improvements possible and the run is far from clean but pushing any further with the early game RNG hell would probably drive me insane :/

Thanks! This route does seem a lot better and more reliable as I also always find the Cpt Hunt kill incredibly awkward to set up with Veradux and Roald just kind of doing whatever they want, and an extra level of shadow blend should definitely make that a lot easier and probably save a turn. While reading about this I had another potential use case for it that came to my mind (might even be possible on the current route). I noticed I had 2 ability points left unused after leveling up to level 9 and thought that maybe getting disrupt early and using it on the frost lord turn 1 can allow you to consistently skip him going for any healing abilities. Avoiding reconstruct like that is easy of course but since Recuperate only costs 7 focus he would have to not go for Auto Swing the first turn (a 75% chance) for it to really help since otherwise he would just get the focus back anyway, not to mention one of the other 3 moves is mind freeze which might be annoying to deal with I'd actually already come up with a strategy of trying to avoid it on the current route with some luck, since there's a 50/50 for him to go for one of his regenerating moves between 85 and 50% health. The idea was to attack with destroy first turn and hope he doesn't go for it first turn, then stun him and pray that Roald silences him fast enough, once that has happened and you've regained focus you can then also use immobilize to get another free turn which should hopefully be enough. This strat is incredibly scuffed and I don't think I've ever fully gotten it to work but with the help of disrupt and the extra firepower it might work, only issue then is that you might already be faster than roald at that point so you can't use immobilize to get a free extra turn, but maybe with the right equipment on veradux your party still might be slower, or maybe it's not necessary at all. I'll definitely test that and the other things you suggested out as they sound very promising!

@@CreepyGar with the strat, you are faster than roald at level 9, yes (because you intentionally *make* yourself faster by switching stuff with roald and sometimes even unequipping stuff from him). But early disrupt still sounds like something that is worth testing. Very looking forward at whether and if yes, how you are gonna incorporate those ideas into future attempts!