These pedals are no different from any others as far as using spacers is concerned. That would place the pedals farther out from the crank arms. I have never found any need to use spacers (I am about 5'11" with a 43" X-Seam), but some riders feel a need to have them ... I know Matt Galat was going to try them, but I do not know if the spacers ended up working for him or not. Spacers or no spacers, still be very aware of the traction pins every time you get into and out of the trike! Yes, they will get your ankles farther away from the crank arms if that is what you need. Have you been using spacers on your prior pedals? If you try spacers with these Catalyst pedals, I would recommend keeping the spacers as minimal as possible because with these pedals, you end up placing more power onto the crank arms, and if a spacer is really long, that multiplies the pressure against the crank arm, which was factory designed to be used as is. steve

@@EZSteve thanks for your reply, I will try them without the spacers and if I do not need them, I will leave them off. The pedals look great, thanks for the videos, they are very helpful. Have fun and ride safe.

TerraTrike ha in genere realizzato trike rivolti a coloro che desiderano spendere meno soldi. Penso che questo possa rispondere alla domanda. Grazie per il tuo complimento! 😀 Steve

Hi George, That is unsettling to hear that your HP frame broke! HP is generally considered top of the line in quality and durability. I was very happy with mine, having no issues with cracks, breaks, or weld failures. My bodyweight is only 160 pounds, so that is a factor in my trikes never cracking or breaking in the frame. Heavier riders will naturally put more strain on frames and welds, but if the factory weight limit is followed, even heavier riders should not be causing frame failures (unless a violent road irregularity led to a catastrophic failure around a weld). I seem to recall that the post you reference showed cracks mainly in the area of the foldable frame, and around welds. I recall an ICE trike where the frame cracked where the suspension elastomers pressed against it (not the best design in my opinion), and I also recall an HP that broke near the folding region, on a weld I believe. I am sorry to hear about your HP breaking in the same region! First off, I would definitely contact HP directly through their website. I have found them to be very responsive to questions and problems, probably due to the fact that they produce a high quality vehicle with an excellent reputation, and they don't want to tarnish that perception. I would expect that HP might send you a replacement frame free of charge ... after all, that frame should NOT have broken with normal use! I know a Catrike rider who experienced a cracked frame (his bodyweight may have exceeded the trike load limit), and Catrike did send him a replacement frame at no cost (he had owned the trike for quite a while too, longer than three years. I know that If my HP Scorpion frame had cracked or broken, i certainly would have expected a replacement frame, especially since I am not a heavy rider, and I never hit any significant potholes or other obstacles that would have place unusual extreme stress on the frame. It is just good business for a high-end reputable company to replace broken or cracked frames because it is a minimal insignificant cost to them, and by not replacing a frame free of charge, they create a bad mark on their image! Regarding reference material for more info on these trike frame failures, I have no specific material or sources. At the time when I made that post several years ago, I just scoured the internet until I found several stories by trike owners. I found enough information that I felt it was worthwhile to write that post and share it with others. These were not cheap bargain brand trikes either! They were ICE, HP Velotechnik, and Catrike, so even the best companies have frame failures, which I remember really surprised me at the time. Best of luck on following up with HP directly. I would be VERY interested in what develops!!! I am hopeful that HP will come through, and would be disappointed if they don't make it right (assuming normal trike usage with no weight limit issues or extremely severe road impacts). steve

Here is a follow-up article I wrote in 2017 about another ICE frame weld failure at a suspension stress point: trikeasylum.wordpress.com/2017/08/03/ice-frame-failure-on-2017-tour-de-wyoming/ steve

@@EZSteve Steve thanks for this detailed reply, greatly appreciated. If any of your other subscribers are interested I would be happy to share photos of my broken Scorpion FS26 but don't know how to do this through RU-vid. I weigh 179 pounds and I ride mostly on a paved trail, so rider weight and road hazards should not have been an issue. HP provides a 10-year warranty on their frames and I assume they will send me a new frame, but my confidence in their quality control is a bit diminished. I'm trying to find a trike from a different manufacturer that is non-folding, since it appears to be a weld near the hinge that failed. Due to past bike accidents I cannot safely ride 2-wheels so I'm stuck with trikes. Anyway, your videos are great, love watching them and I learned a lot about trikes. Enjoy the new Sunseeker.

Hello George, Yes, folding areas on trikes are a weak spot from what I've seen. Suspension areas can also be weak spots. I am surprised that your frame broke considering your light body weight and the care given to your trike! If you want, you can email me photos of your frame, along with a story that explains it all, and I can post it on my Trike Asylum website so that other trike riders can be informed. Send to: bentrider at gmx com Might I suggest looking into what the Catrike company has to offer. I have owned a Catrike personally, and they are top quality trikes, on a par with other leading manufacturers. My Catrike was a non-folding 700, a single piece frame with the seat as part of the frame (not added on as with ICE and HP Velotechnik), so it is a very strong design. Catrike now offers suspended and folding trikes, so not all of their models are the one piece setup. The Catrike Villager has a non folding frame without suspension, but with an adjustable seat back so you can choose your angle of recline. Here is the Villager link: www.catrike.com/villager They also make a very similar model to the Villager, called the MAX, which is made with extra heavy duty components. It is designed for heavier riders, and has a wider seat among other things, but even though you are a light bodyweight, if you want the epitome in indestructible trikes, the MAX is it. Here is the MAX link: www.catrike.com/max I would not hesitate in getting another Catrike, a reputable manufacturer based in Florida, and they actually make their trikes right there in Florida (made in the USA). I doubt very much that you would ever experience a broken frame with either of these two models! steve

@@georgeboole1404 As a follow-up to the two Catrikes I mentioned in my other response this morning, here is a link to a comparison of them by a trike dealer called Utah Trikes: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5kn03qA_qWY.html

It's nice to have something actually made in this country, although some parts are made elsewhere. Catrike trikes are outstanding vehicles, quality second to none.

@@EZSteve Agreed, and not just because I own two of them, but I bought Catrike BECAUSE they are quality built American made trikes. Also, there is no import tax/fees that you have to pay on top of the cost of the trike. The VTX ICE is a exceptional trike, but it isn't cheap and with the added import fees, It really pushes the cost to the extreme. Plus...I don't like that the seat is separate on the ICE from the frame. Thus making it not as structurally strong as the Catrike 700 which has the seat tied into the frame. For touring, and adding a rear rack for panniers. The Catrike 700 is a much better trike for that purpose. I realize that 98% of people won't use these trikes for touring. However for the unique, strange and odd rider who does (former Trike Hobo and currently The Green Hornet), the Catrike 700 is much better for this. FAST and LIGHT approach to touring, and the NEED FOR SPEED!!!

@@The-GreenHornet The integrated seat that Catrike offers is superior in strength and design. The long standing Catrike "space" frame is very robust.

Yeah, this one is fun to watch because it shows the VAST range of how trikers do the long haul.

@@EZSteve One can learn a lot either directly or indirectly through carefully studying each recumbent trike tourists.. As soon as there is a break in the weather here. I will do a gear video on my new Catrike 700, The Green Hornet with all panniers/gear/ and water supply.

@@The-GreenHornet Everyone loves gear videos!

You're welcome my friend. Yes, this is a way that has worked for me on the trikes. It also works on bikes. Using hands and arms is not as powerful as feet and legs when it comes to stuck pedals. steve

Yes, I have noticed the AX is no longer available, but I do not know when they stopped offering it. This CX is 40 pounds base weigth, which is actually lighter than my previous recumbent trike by eight pounds, so I'm happy. steve

@@EZSteve I just couldn't get with the trike, and I had one for a year. Two wheels for me until I can't do it anymore.

@@bechtoea Two wheels are a ton of fun, and this recumbent reminds me of being on a Harley chopper! I love both recumbent bikes and trikes, and am a happy guy on either.

@@bechtoea I am just emerging from a two month experience with a benign inner ear nerve inflammation (vestibular neuritis), which really messes with being able to ride a bike because the vestibular nerve sends a signal to the brain that you are not stable, when in fact you are. I am 74 currently, and this has never occurred in my life prior to now (I hope it never happens again). steve

Sure, here are the links, but just now when I am accessing the webpages, there must be something wrong with the website temporarily because only text is showing, with no photographs. Normally, photos accompany each item. The EDGE wind fairing is made for the Sunseeker bikes and trikes, and appears on the "Accessories" page of their website. This first link is to the Accessories page: sunseeker.bike/collections/accessories And this second link is to the EDGE fairing page: sunseeker.bike/products/wind-fairing-247 The EDGE Wind Fairing costs $359.99. It is very high quality. I am happy with it. Hopefully, they will get the website photos to show again by the time you click on the links! PS: Below is a link to this same fairing, but on the Utah Trikes website, which they sell for only $249.99, quite a LOT LESS than what I paid! But, Utah Trikes is showing today that they are out of stock currently (bummer). Here is the Utah Trikes link: www.utahtrikes.com/PROD-11616002.html This fairing works for either the Sunseeker LWB recumbent bike like I have, or the company's SUN EZ Delta trike. Regarding attaching my two "Purple Sky" visibility flags, it was nothing fancy at all. I simply used zip ties and black electrician's tape to hold them to the two seat-back cross supports. I did it this way because this bike has no factory means to attach flags, so I had to jury-rig them. But it works fine, and the flags are solidly in place no matter what. I had to attached flags to my HP Scorpion trike using this same method. steve

I have actually done a total of nine videos on these pedals, including the first one when I had just received them in 2022. Check out my "playlists" page on this channel to see them (the playlist is called "Catalyst Full-Foot Support Pedals". I love these pedals because far more power can be delivered to the drive wheel, and going up hills becomes noticeably easier! The ONE THING that you must be VERY aware of when they are on your trike is the 18 pins per side per pedal ... The pins are the key to keeping your feet secure, BUT, if your shins come in contact with them when entering or exiting your trike, IT WILL HURT AND DRAW BLOOD, so please pay close attention when entering or exiting your trike!!! I learned the hard way, and have a scar to show for it. I learned to keep one hand on one of the pedals when exiting (when I smashed my left shin into the left pedal), which reminds me to take my time. Rushing when entering or exiting the trike is NOT recommended. But other than this single caveat, the pedals are extraordinary, and I am very glad I took the chance and bought a pair! steve

Riding over the Cascades on a trike is generally pretty easy, with wide shoulders much of the way, but there are also dicey sections that are not so rider friendly. It all depends upon a rider's tolerance for motorized auto and truck traffic. Some folks would be scared to death. I found it pretty relaxing for the most part. It is so hard to provide opinions on this or that route because of the differences we all have in what is acceptable for safety, and what crosses the line as unsafe. What is considered safe for one would be a nightmare for another. As with any road, there is the entire range of conditions. But one road is pretty dog-gone great overall, and that is US Highway 395, with HUGE shoulders most of the time, and very little really bad areas. Of course, the farther north you go on 395, it's tighter, but from Susanville to Victorville, it's smooth sailing, enough room in many places for two or three trikes riding side by side!! steve

@@EZSteve Thanks 👌. Yeah, I understand the variances of what people consider safe and unsafe. I was just wondering about the Cascades through the mountains. I know that 395 hwy is easy, from watching another bicycle tourist on RU-vid years ago. Big Wide shoulders. I don't mind riding on the side of roads, just as long as there's enough space for my trike or to bail out off the road if need be. No shoulder+guardrail or cliff or embankment is sketchy.

I have not done that, but I have heard of others who have, and yes, I am sure it would add some gear range. I would advise contacting Rohloff (rear internal hub manufacturer) to see if that is advisable. I really can't think of a reason such an idea would not work, but I'm no expert with the Rohloff. If they okay the idea, then it would be a fun experiment to try. The derailleur post is already there, so mechanically it seems within reasonable reach. steve

I also noticed your full fat in the video only had one sprocket up front with no e-assist…Did you change out a triple chain ring for a single….because you installed the Rohloff rear hub? On that note is a single up front w/the Rohloff rear enough gearing for the hills AND the flats? FYI…I have read that people have used (just fine) a Rohloff + a Schlumph drive up front + an eassist with some saying it’s fine within a specific sprocket range and others saying it voids the Rohloff warranty as others say the Rohloff is indestructible with a couple of sheer pins that protect the internals against over doing it. Just trying to sort it all out😂.

@@user-wo2rv2kv9d My ICE Full Fat came as shown from the factory, with a single ring in front (about 32 teeth). I like the setup because there is no front shifting needed, and for me, the Rohloff was sufficient with its huge gear inch range. Regarding a Schlumpf up front with a Rohloff in the rear, my friend Matt Galat (the JaYoe! RU-vid channel) has used this exact setup you talk about here. It worked for him. He could answer your questions from first-hand experience. Here is his website: jayoe.com/ Here are some videos with the Schlumpf: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lv8L8EjFaDw.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sucR42stNL0.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-g-Te18F2DkY.html I have also heard about the potential for voiding the Rohloff warranty, so only a call directly to the company with the questions would say for sure. steve

The price is certainly right! I hope all is well with the trike, and you have loads of fun on it for all time! steve

These Merrell shoes are great for many activities, and I see a lot of people wearing them everywhere. I like them for cycling because they are a robust shoe that really protects the foot if the foot hits something. steve

Thanks for the information Ralph. For some reason, the Kent website provides very little specification information, which requires potential customers to call the company (most trike companies list the full specs on their trike webpages). steve

I just checked the Kent website, which has been significantly updated since I published this video, providing much more information than before. Here is one of their new improved pages: kent.bike/products/24-kent-nova steve

Hi Patricia, You'll actually have to call the Kent company on the telephone to get that question answered. Try this number: 1-800-451-5368 Also, Kent has updated their website information since I published this video, so check out this new page, which has a lot more information: kent.bike/products/24-kent-nova steve

It seems to be a good design based on the sheer longevity of this great recumbent. The current base price is up to just over $1700 now, but still it's worth the value for what you get. I have just over $2400 invested in this one with the accessories, not including the shipping I paid to get it here. Want a backup you say? Well, just make me an offer, then come and get it ... I always love getting my next three or two wheel recumbent, always fun to get a new toy 😃 steve

@EZSteve lemme get tha family discount 🙃

@@larenzohayes4453 Okay, family discount sounds good to me. I love buying and selling bikes and trikes, "easy come easy go" is my motto. I never turn down an opportunity. By the way, in answer to your question about the bike having a chain guard, no, it does not come with one. It comes just as pictured here (not counting my upgrades and the accessories like the panniers). steve

Good points Kelly. I've had four bikes and four trikes in the past 15 years, and what you say is accurate. I love riding both styles of recumbents! steve

Yes, most definitely! My garage has a rather hollow sound, even with the stuff I have on the wall to help. My older camera has no remote microphone ability, so I am talking through the air rather that on a mic clipped on my collar, as many people with newer and more expensive cameras have. steve

Yes, starting out just takes a leap of self confidence because these definitely feel different than standard diamond frame bicycles. But after that first time, it feels great, and you realize all is well. The steering takes the most time when it comes to confidence and ease of use. steve

Thanks Ray! Peace and health are indeed very critical aspects of living! steve

I just looked on the Sun website at all their bikes and trikes, and the only model I can locate with an "AX" is a delta trike. No bike the company displays on their website has the "AX" designation that I can see. Regarding this bike, I don't mind the CroMo frame at all, still very light, can pick up the entire bike with one hand and move it around with no problem. The components on it seem like quality items from what I can tell. If Sun is offering another bike like this but with an aluminum frame, they are doing a great job of keeping it a secret, haha. If you have a link to the bike you are describing, please let me know! I'd be interested in seeing it! Thanks. steve

@EZSteve OK maybe they discontinued the AX version? The Easy Sport does ride nice! I am LWB fan, again ENJOY!👍😁

@@outandaboutontherecumbents So far I like it, but LWB bikes do require a learning curve to ride compared to standard bicycles. It's almost like learning how to balance on a bike all over again (practice makes perfect) because the steering is what I would consider "floppy" compared to a normal bike. steve

Hi Gary, Yep, Schwalbe Marathon PLUS tires are absolutely unbeatable based on my experience on my trips ... never have had a single flat with one so far! To do a comparison of faired versus non-faired, I'd have to do a speed trial without the fairing, and then duplicate it with the fairing. For me, I don't have a desire to spend my time doing that, so I'll just be content with the thought that windscreens make a difference. How much really doesn't matter to me because I'm not one of those techno-junkies online who love to discuss this sort of thing, haha. The best advantage that I can see being useful to me is winter riding because the fairing will keep the cold frigid air off my hands and fingers ... a VERY worthwhile thing! steve

@@EZSteve YUP, fully understand and agree with you!

Yes, the seat back can be tilted much farther to the rear, for a much greater recline angle. Also, the seat itself can be adjusted fore and aft, which is how to adjust for leg to pedal distance (as opposed to changing boom length on a trike). Regarding the seat back angle, with the panniers and trunk attached, that is about as far back as I can go without the seat back struts interfering with the pannier attachment points. I could perhaps eek out another half inch or so, but the angle where it currently sits is very comfortable, which is different than my analysis on recumbent trikes, where I have always preferred more recline angle. So far during my life, I have not yet slipped on sandy or wet surfaces while riding bikes. Of course, there may someday be a first time, haha. steve

Based on four decades of personal study and research, my conclusion is that a whole foods plant based dietary regimen is superior to an animal based diet for those who wish to live the longest and healthiest life possible, given their genetics. steve

Yes, the X-Seam range according to the company is 36" to 45". My X-Seam falls within that range. This LWB recumbent bike is 5 inches shorter overall than the Easy Racers Gold Rush that I used to own. For me, it's perfect, but if I really wanted to recline the seat back more, I would run into issues with the panniers fitting on the rear rack due to the seat struts that begin to overlap the rack as the seat is reclined more and more. When I had the seat all the way rearward at first, my feet were too far from the pedals, so I moved it forward a bit. Sun Bicycles was started in 1971 by a family, based in Miami, Florida, so they've been around 53 years. From what I can see on my bike, I am impressed with the quality and design. In 2014, Sun split into two divisions, the second (Sunseeker) being the one that handles the recumbent line-up. This bike I have was introduced in 2004, designed by Gardner Martin, the same man who designed the Easy Racers Gold Rush back in the latter 1970s to set bike speed records. He designed this bike I have now as a LWB that is easier for most people to ride than the more radical Gold Rush. He succeeded. It is easier to adapt to than the Gold Rush. steve

I am like you, in that I am very sensitive emotionally when people are not nice or respectful. I'm not the type who can just brush it off immediately and not let it bother me. Time takes care of it of course, but for me, and probably you too, it requires more time. I cannot imagine what drives people to treat others with such hatred, out of the blue! On Wikipedia, under the title of "Bicycle Safety", I found this commentary: "Road rage: Some vehicle drivers may try to 'punish' cyclists for what they perceive as selfish behaviour in 'holding them up unnecessarily' and so when overtaking them will pass them too closely or cut in too sharply or sound their horn at them." Yep, that pretty much sums it up! Happily, these unpleasant people are in a small minority! By far, most drivers I've encountered during my 15 years of cycling (both cross country and locally) are super courteous and very nice, some even stopping to ask if I need any assistance when stopped at the side of the road for an energy bar snack!! Check out this Wikipedia link on bicycle safety: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_safety steve

Those look really comfortable, and I like that you can choose the thickness. Here is where I was seeing this: esigrips.com/products/fattys Thanks for sharing! steve

Glad to hear the Rock Bros pedals are working so well for you ... pedals make a big difference in power delivery and performance. Yes, keeping the feet on the pedals is important ... I have on occasion on a bicycle, had a foot get dislodged, and fortunately nothing bad happened as a result. steve

Hi James, My flags are just comprised of the two-piece pole and the flag itself. I don't have any clips of any kind on them, so I am afraid I can't answer your question about "C" clips. I would suggest calling TerraCycle at 1-503-231-9798, or visit their contact page at the website: t-cycle.com/pages/contact-us steve

Yep, I"m too old to ride a bicycle! Do you know of anyone who might like to buy it? So far, there are zero miles on it, a 2024 in "factory perfect" condition. I chose recumbent over traditional bike because of all the reasons you mention. Recumbent bikes are just as comfortable as recumbent trikes, and I too would not prefer a regular bicycle. Catrikes are great trikes ... I loved my Catrike 700!!! Oh, and by the way, I don't carry any health insurance, but I do wear a full coverage BELL MIPS helmet instead of a typical helmet that only covers the top of a head. I think I may have been having a senior moment when I ordered this young person's recumbent cycle, haha. steve

@SFCRambo60, I agree with all that you said. I also loved Steve's recumbent trikes. For all the reasons he has previously mentioned over the years in his videos and articles. Stability, extra width and more easily seen by traffic on the roads riding a recumbent trike. Traffic also interprets recumbent trike riders as being handicapped so they are extra careful when approaching trikes in their automobiles (most of them are, the responsible drivers anyway) which means safer situations. Laid back and able to see more around you while riding, due to not having to worry about balance, ever. And the list goes on. WHO CARES if people think riding a recumbent trike is for either old or handicapped people. I'm neither, and I could care less what others think of me when I'm enjoying my recumbent trike. If Steve is truly happy with this new recumbent bicycle, then I'm glad for him, but I remember how much he used to talk up about recumbent trikes. I was quite shocked when he was selling his HP VELOTECHNIK SCORPION trike for a recumbent bicycle. Balance is the key factor and Trikes are just plain FUNNER! haha.

@@The-GreenHornet Maybe it's time to try a Utah Trikes quad? I've had 8 two and three wheeled cycles since 2009, but no 4 wheel rigs yet. Back in late 2008 when I first was setting up for touring, a quad is what I had in mind, and I was going to build a structure on top for sleeping. steve

@@EZSteve I don't understand. Did you buy that recumbent, but now you don't want it? That is confusing. No miles on a new recumbent, and you already don't want to keep it?

​@@garyseckel295 I was just being facetious Gary, in response to the initial comment that inferred that my age had something to do with not being able to ride a bicycle, and needing good health insurance. I rode my Specialized Roll Elite bicycle for four years prior to my acquisition of the HP Scorpion, and my age did not seem to be a limiting factor then, so I doubt it will be now. In answer to your question, this is a real nice bike, and a comfy recumbent no less, so I am excited about getting out and riding it (once the weather clears up and the roads are finally dry). steve

Three and a half months! Good thing I was not in a rush, haha. There were a few glitches regarding fender sizing and fairing acquisition. steve

I looked into the Bacchetta Bella, but did not find any availability options at the time. I found my former Easy Racers Gold Rush steering not to my liking, too twitchy for me, so this time around, I chose a LWB recumbent bike that was also designed by Gardner Martin (same man who mad the Gold Rush for record speed trials), but his intent was to make a version of his earlier design that was more user friendly in the steering department. This bike is 40 pounds, so yes, heavier than my Gold Rush was. steve

@@EZSteve I agree. That's why I sold it and got a SWB Giro, then swapped it for the LWB Bella. Happy riding!

@@KutWrite Do you find the steering on the Bella twitchy or what some would see as too fast and hard to control? Did it take some time to get used to it, or did you fall right into it easily based on your Gold Rush experience? I have thought about SWB bikes, but there are many factors that seem not so ideal in my mind when compared to LWB. steve

@@EZSteve I didn't see it as twitchy. I came from the Giro SWB, though, which was a bit twitchy and interfered with my heels if I wasn't careful. For me, the Gold Rush wasn't so much twitchy as "floppy." The turning axis of the front wheel was offset from its point of contact with the ground, so the front wanted to "flop" in the direction I started to turn the handlebars. That may have felt "twitchy" to you. The SWB is by nature shorter in length, so a slight turn of the bars meant an instant reaction from the bike. This was fine in town, but going over about 10mph it took some getting used to. My trike is similar, so it may replace my Bella on the training stand for indoor use. The Bella strikes me as a nice leisurely cruiser, on pavement only, of course. The frame is stiffer than the Gold Rush, which is good for transferring pedaling force but gives a slightly bumpier ride. Not much, though. Hope that helps!

@@KutWrite YES, floppy is an apropos word to describe the Gold Rush steering, actually better than twitchy. In my writing and talks, I have described how the Gold Rush front wheel kind of falls over to the side when turned, which I believe is due to the way the forks are curved forward at the bottom. On mine, when turning in tight areas, I found that I had to actually muscle the handlebars back into the straight forward position, which I did not find to my liking. This EZ Sport has more traditional style forks, without such a drastic curve near the bottom as the Gold Rush, so the wheel does not feel like it is falling to the side, or floppy. I tried a SWB recumbent once about ten years ago. It had under-seat steering, which felt very nice and natural, but wow, talk about a learning curve, and just being able to start pedaling and riding if not used to it, haha. Practice makes perfect on a bike like that! This EZ Sport frame is pretty stiff, heavier of course than the Gold Rush aluminum frame. steve

Same here.