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There’s hardly any shoulder rotation from setup to anchor to get the alignment of rear shoulder to bowhand. Are they setting the shoulder very early on? Or is it just very subtle that my untrained eye can’t see A video on this would be handy 😊
@@imti3315 this is not a public video, but covered in detail here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GHreLY1xv98.htmlsi=lT2KqCe7Xggu_tXR
I see that the windows that they shoot through are inset into doors that can be opened fully. A trick missed by the new 3 million pound UK archery facility, who only have doors either end of the facility. This means that central archers have an additional 40m to walk to retrieve arrows every end.
I’m very new to archery and am shooting recurve. I was using an angular draw but struggling to get my elbow behind the arrow line. I was using Jake Kaminski’s form series as a guide. I asked a former JOAD coach, who is helping me get started, to help me on my form. He switched me to a linear draw motion before I realized what he was having me change. I admit it was more comfortable and fluid for me and felt easier to achieve better form. However, the next day my drawing shoulder was a lot more fatigued and sore than when I use an angular draw. Especially the bicep tendon area you mentioned in the video. The angular draw felt easier to draw back and when I use an angular draw I definitely feel more soreness around my scapula the next day. How do I know what is best for me? I’m 42 and my muscles and joints aren’t as strong as someone half my age.😅 I don’t want to do any damage.
Great video! For almost 6 months i was mostly using my arm muscles and eventually injuring my shoulder because of my poor draw form. Ive been trying to relearn my form and focusing on using the correct muscles and this video is a great demo of what to do. I think everyone old and new at archery could benefit from refocusing on form from time to time
😫😫 I don’t like gym’s any exercise I can do home, that simulates those weights I train daily about 1 or 2 hours a day, wonder if that is enough, I just started my first tournaments with bare bow. 26 pounder.
HELLO PROFESSOR GOOD SUNDAY I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS EXERCISE IS ONLY FOR MUSCLE TRAINING...AND HAS NOT TO DO WITH THE POSITION OF THE HAND IN THE ANCHOR BEFORE RELEASING THE ARROW. SINCE THE SHOULDERS ARE ALIGNED I THINK IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO AIM AT THE TARGET TO TAKE THE SHOT
Great explanations! It finally changed my view and it is more comprehensive now. 🙏🏻However I have a question: comparing the 2 techniques is the factor angular/linear all about the pulling wrist and the bow (aligned to target) or is it all about the shoulder movement? Does the shoulder works/pulls as well differently or not? It was always explained to me that the linear/angular factor is all about the (pulling) shoulder movement... (Of course depending the position of your pulling wrist there might be small anatomical differences in pulling) 😊
@@giulias.412 thanks for your comment. What I tried to show here is that there is far more in common with these styles than there is different. The shoulder movement is almost the same, with only very subtle differences. There is not, for example, more back tension with an angular draw.
It would be interesting to make a statistic about how many archers have hypermobility to understand if it is a problem or an advantage... The % of population is about 20% but how much is the percentage of pro-archers with this condition ? 😮
Hello, I have a question. How to ensure the body is perpendicular to the target at pre-draw? I use linear draw. My body is open to the target before raising the bow. At pre-draw, my body should rotate to be perpendicular to the target. However, sometimes when I pre-draw, my body doesn't rotate to the right position. Then the body will continue to rotate when I draw the bow, and my left arm and the sight will rotate to the right with my body. This leads to different positions of sight at pre-draw and at anchor, and loses the advantage of linear draw.
@@kxf-dj6yy thanks for your question. This issue has nothing to do with Linear or Angular draw, but the consistency with which you achieve your Pre-draw position. Without seeing your video, I can't give specific feedback, but I have done some videos that may help: 1. The Pre-draw module of the Masterclass (preview for free) 2. My CCS#1 and CCS#2 videos 3. Building an archer Blueprint video 4. Shot process overview Watch these as homework and let me know how you go.
@@RogueArcheryTV Hi Jarryd, I'm back. I have watched these video and tried to implement the techniques into my archery moves. I find even though I understand the techniques, it is difficult to perform in practice, especially to judge whether the shoulder alignment is done well. I will do the two drills everyday in hopes that my body will remember the correct shoulder alignment.
@@kxf-dj6yy good work. This is why coaches exist! It's obviously important to understand the principles and do the work, but there is always a place for feedback and instruction. I recommend you find a coach who can assist you with personal feedback in this regard. We also have the Rogue Archery Masterclass where students can post progress videos and get specific feedback from myself and a global network of coaches. That's a good option 👍
This is interesting because I’ve just returned from a country where linear draw is prevalent. I’m not sure I saw anyone get their draw elbow lined up completely. I have to admit I’m unsure how the Oly anchor really works because it seems like once the string is at your jaw you can’t go any further back, even if you’re not quite achieving full extension. Barebow guy here. Anyhow whatever causes the sticky-out elbow tendency has to be counted as a mark against linear draw, I think.
This is interesting because I’ve just returned from a country where linear draw is prevalent. I’m not sure I saw anyone get their draw elbow lined up completely. I have to admit I’m unsure how the Oly anchor really works because it seems like once the string is at your jaw you can’t go any further back, even if you’re not quite achieving full extension. Barebow guy here. Anyhow whatever causes the sticky-out elbow tendency has to be counted as a mark against linear draw, I think.
Don't know if I'm right but from the video it sounds like Angular Draw takes slightly less strength to pull out the string since Linear Draw might require certain muscle to be maintained on the same life when u draw back, or maybe I'm just talking nonsense but I buelieve that's what it means
I switched to a angular draw after having an impingement injury. I found that it also helped engaging my back muscles properly consistently and as a side benefit cleaned up the release where I don't have as many plucky releases as I used to. As a big strong bloke I was able to "fake it" on some shots by using far more bicep than I should. Now just need to work on my target panic so I can get back to shooting master bowman classifications rather than black.
I just stumbled upon your channel from the "linear vs angular" video and am watching this teaching session and this is so good. I got started four decades ago but had set it aside. I decided recently...at the prompting of RU-vid shorts...to acquire a competitive target recurve and to get started. Once I am kitted out...your "Masterclass" membership is my next purchase!
Glad you're loving the videos! Once you get the archer bug you can never quite give it up... And if you sign up for the Masterclass, I definitely look forward to seeing your progress too!
When I started as a 14 year old weighing nothing a linear seemed right. At 15 I got a Darton SL-50 for hunting and soon had it bottomed out at #72. There was no way I could safely pull that back in a linear fashion. As an old man wanting to throw arrows downrange again...this video is pretty awesome. I wish I could have had this available four decades ago. Great presentation. One thought of the linear to angular form might be injury or pain over a career...🤔
I’m a Development Coach in the UK. Thank you for the content, I’m finding it very informative with the slight differences of looking at the shoot process. I’m always looking for different ways to coach. 👍
My granddaughter shoots with a hyperextended bow arm. She is comfortable with her shoot process. I have recorded her shot. Every shot has constant bow torque. Even with her bow torque she competes at a high level. I found your video because I can’t help but think as accurate as she is she could be so much better if we can reduce the torque from her elbow over extending past what I consider is normal. I was thinking she might experiment with placing slightly pressure on the opposite side of her bow hand to counteract the force from her elbow. Any feedback would be great.
