Well you would be for banning a human slaughterhouse right? So what moral difference between a human and a cow would make you against banning the slaughter of one but for banning the slaughter of the other?

​@willbyrob6582 Who said anything about morals. People are free to choose their morality and not be bound to the moral opinions of others. Is there a country that recognises other animals as having human rights? No, so stop trying to assert your opinion that they are equal. TBH, I thought Vegans should appreciate the right of a minority. Apparently not.

@@psychologicalprojectionist So if every country stopped acknowledging the rights of infants, do you think this would make it okay to kill infants for food?

Saludos 🇲🇽😊

She has a solution, she wants to ban slaughterhouse. Whats your excuse for complaining?

I think a good beginning is reaching out on social media. People were kept ignorant before internet

Okay now you might as well say a hamburger should cost $50 for just the patty. Because you know you wouldn't get anywhere close to the same amount of livestock in the same area as a factory. And that's not even getting into the moral value of these animals that are forced to breed as much as possible, have their babies and milk stolen to be slaughtered and sold off. So I don't view defending our food supply the same as murdering our food supply. And the cost alone would basically force most of the population into a plant based diet anyway which would still result in the deaths of many small animals.

If we raised humans for meat and fed them dumpster dived food, this would also reduce the number of animals killed in crop production, but I think you would take issue with this. So what moral difference between a cow and a human would make you okay with raising one for food but not the other?

@willbyrob6582 since you mentioned the topic, I've been toying with an argument. Let's say we could save millions of lives of people in the hospital. We could in theory, breed humans, drug the fetuses to make them unaware, and harvest their organs on their 3rd birthday. Then you ask the carnivore if that necessity for human organs justifies killing unaware humans. I just wanted to use this argument and haven't been able to yet :p

You're not accounting for the transportation of grass during the winter months, the development of the land in the first place, or the incidental deaths caused by cows who crush and even consume insects and other small animals. Farmers, additionally, will engage in killing potential predators of these animals such as coyotes (though in your case, probably dingoes and foxes). I'm not sure how you could provide actual data to support the idea you cause less death and suffering, but you're welcome to try.

@@JeremyCioppa Hi. Thank you for your comment. I’m fortunate to live in australia where we we have grass fed organic beef at around 15-20% more expensive, so not quite $50 for meat patty’s. Similar to the extra cost for organic veggies. 6 beef patty’s are $8 and organic grass fed are $9. Also all of our beef farms will be carbon neutral by 2030. Around 20% of our farms are carbon neutral now. Knowing I kill less sentient beings eating this beef, feels good and these farms also let their calves live with their Mothers. I visited two of these farms here in Melbourne. I invite you to consider exploring what harm is caused in crop production and how purchasing local grass fed beef can reduce that harm. It took me 6 months to do this research, calling, emailing and visiting 112 farms here in Australia, yet I think the sentient beings lives are worth it. Let me know if I can help you on your journey to be more humane and more caring for the animals. Thank you.

Most animals are sentient while most plants are just. This is why we have laws against beating a dog but not laws against beating a tree.

This is a poor attempt at pointing out hypocrisy. I guarantee OP has "harmed" many more plants than animals himself. You know it's a bs argument.

@@willbyrob6582 then tell why you think sentients shouldn't be killed..There are laws against cutting trees. Because both dog and tree is some human's property.

@@bunymn1 Well I think you would take issue with killing humans for food. So is there any moral difference between a human and other sentient animals that would justify killing sentient animals for food? If so, what is this difference? If you don’t have any such distinction, then animal rights would follow logically from human rights.

@@willbyrob6582 The problem is with killing humans not eating human meat. The only moral issue is humans not animals. I said this to vegans a million times but they continue saying sentient, pain etc. The issue is 'gene transfer' i mean interbreeding. Since we can't transfer our genes to anything other than humans they will always be property for us. Even if animals become smarter, more intelligent and more fertile or more productive than us they will still be property for us. Just like there can't be 2 gods, 2 states in same place, there can't be two dominant species.

Do you believe it is morally acceptable to kill a nonhuman animal for food but not a human? If so, what moral difference between the two would make you okay with killing one for food but not the other?

@@willbyrob6582 what does what I believe have to do with what I eat? wouldn't it make more sense to use our biological and anthropological sciences to inform on what is best for our species to eat, since it appears some of you have lost touch with your humanity. since when does a species' diet have anything to do with morality? wait, do you think virtue signalling hides your squeamishness about the life cost of what it takes to eat properly as a human? do you think not having meat on your plate means your economy demands are not contributing to the suffering of multitudes of animal lives? do plant lives not matter? do you think the <1% of people pretending their no-animal-products-on-the-plate food choices are better in some way should have a say in what the other 99% eat? are you okay with letting yourself gradually deteriorate rather than provide yourself with proper nutrition appropriate to your speciation? do you think there aren't animal derived components in the device you're using to access youtube?

Tofu, seitan, soy, chickpeas, tempeh, etc.

Mushrooms mushrooms and more mushrooms

@@JeremyCioppa I am being serious. Deleting all animals to avoid them being exploited sounds noble. Until we dig into environmental science and sustainability. And realize the number of nutrients necessary to the human body that are only found in animal flesh. Full cultural world wide veganism will crash the earth. We will kill ourselves with this. And severely shorten our life spans. With stacking health issues beginning at younger and younger ages. People will always eat meat because we crave it. We crave it because the human body "needs" it. Meaning survival is possible without it. Optimization is not. No one survives the Alone experience without a fatty fish.

Doesn't know many vegans? Aren't there 50% vegans? Now animals are causing climate change and pandemic? Propaganda.

Awesome with your daughter. Change is happening, then it's going to snow ball. Hope I'm around when it happens. Love all sentient animals and my new vegan/ plant base living. Life changes forever when u adopt this lifestyle, including mental health thought patterns. So true breaking free from the MATRIX, a little lonely to begin with, because of the sheep follows afraid to think consciously

Evidence?