0:22 Ironically the pole looks like it once held a Gamewell alarm box. (Of course, since it was an abandoned house, no one was around to pull the box anyways).
Watching USA firefighting is so incredibly painful. 0:18 Based on what we saw in front, that fire shouldn't exist at this point. 0:21 These two clowns have no clue how to set a ladder and extend it. That ladder is a one-man job all day long! What exactly do they teach these guys? You DO NOT use a straight stream to extinguish fires. You open the nozzle to a cone of water that covers the most material while still overpowering the energy of the fire or wind.
Every single house next to this one is abandoned, theres still some remains of this burnt house and that white house to the left had that back left corner section collapse
@Ben Paynter GPM kills BTU... period Also, there is a reason most modern FDs started ditching hose reels back in the 80/90's... Because they suck Same for fog/combo nozzles, if an FD is using a reel line it's 100% guarantee they are still using outdated nozzles As for time to water on fire, you would have to provide an example to get an informed reply from me But any modern engine and experienced crew can pull a cross-lay and have water on a fire in the same OR LESS time than with a reel line, all with far more GPM, more maneuverability, and more distance. The difference in deployment time for an interior attack between a rigid hose reel and a pre-connect is substantially in favor of the pre-connect, and once the water is flowing it's not even close. I know because I started my firefighting career in the 80's when reel lines were still common on US engines, and I can attest they are a pain in the ass and far less effective than larger pre-connect. Work a fire (real or training) while observing through a TIC and you will see the MASSIVE difference between a 3/4" or 1" rigid line off of a reel (a booster as we call them) and a 1-3/4" pre-connect with a quality large bore tip with stream shaper. Do a training burn with the two side by side, thermocouples and/or TIC, and the difference in cool down is not just significant, but flat out remarkable. I know because we trained it at the academy for more than two decades and saw it in countless live structure fires. A typical booster line might flow 50-100gpm at 100psi with a fog/combo tip While a pre-connect will flow over 400gpm at the same 100psi but with a fraction of the effort Drop the pressure to 50psi and we can still flow 250gpm out of an 1-3/4" and control it with one hand Which makes a huge difference on interior attacks Which brings me to your "14 mins of water supply onboard". A proper set up as I mentioned above doesn't need 14 minutes. Again I started out with reel lines in the 80's and Ive worked fully involved rooms with them... yup, one often needs the minutes you mentioned to darken and cool things down. On the other hand, bank 400gpm at 100psi off the ceiling for 4-5 seconds and I've watched the temp drop from 2,000 to 200 almost instantly. All without air entrainment which keeps the whole open structure cooler resulting in far less chance of burning a firefighter or victim. Think about it this way, if your kid was trapped in a room on the other side of a fire, would you rather have: a) 14 minutes of slow & stiff glorified garden hose that can push flesh burning steam throughout the structure b) An easy to move handheld cannon that with a 5 seconds burst can darken the room and lower temperatures 1500+ degrees As firefighters go I'm an old-timer having first started in the 80's... but unlike many I welcome science and technology advancements that result in fighting fires SMARTER 😉
This is not a criticism of the fire service in this video or any other, just an observation about equipment and the resultant tactics. I know the structures in the US are often wooden and require high flow rates to effectively combat a well developed fire. However in the UK most of our pumps carry 60 meter long hose reels which can deal with most domestic situations we encounter without having to upgrade to jets. We have enough water on board to supply one with constant use for about 7 mins. A house fire with no persons trapped will get 2 pumps. So you've got 14 mins of water supply onboard in which time most domestic fires can be bought under control. And if the fire can't be extinguished the hosefeels can subdue it whilst a hydrant is accesses and jets can be deployed. I routinely see videos of the US where there are multiple appliances in attendance and the fire ground is swarming with people yet no water is being applied to the fire due to the time it takes to get sufficient water supply to feed the larger bore jets. It just seems like lost time when in the first 3-4 mins you could have a crew applying thousands of litres of water to the fire and if nothing else slowing its development whilst hydrant supply is being established. Whereas no fire suppression happens, sometimes for 4-5 mins in which time the fire develops into something much larger than it was on arrival. A good crew with a hose reel will have water on the fire within 20 - 30 seconds of arrival. As I say, not criticism of those in this video or elsewhere, just a comment on equipment and tactics.
GPM kills BTU... period Also, there is a reason most modern FDs started ditching hose reels back in the 80/90's... Because they suck Same for fog/combo nozzles, if an FD is using a reel line it's 100% guarantee they are still using outdated nozzles As for time to water on fire, you would have to provide an example to get an informed reply from me But any modern engine and experienced crew can pull a cross-lay and have water on a fire in the same OR LESS time than with a reel line, all with far more GPM, more maneuverability, and more distance. The difference in deployment time for an interior attack between a rigid hose reel and a pre-connect is substantially in favor of the pre-connect, and once the water is flowing it's not even close. I know because I started my firefighting career in the 80's when reel lines were still common on US engines, and I can attest they are a pain in the ass and far less effective than larger pre-connect. Work a fire (real or training) while observing through a TIC and you will see the MASSIVE difference between a 3/4" or 1" rigid line off of a reel (a booster as we call them) and a 1-3/4" pre-connect with a quality large bore tip with stream shaper. Do a training burn with the two side by side, thermocouples and/or TIC, and the difference in cool down is not just significant, but flat out remarkable. I know because we trained it at the academy and saw it in countless live structure fires. A typical booster line might flow 50-100gpm at 100psi with a fog/combo tip While a pre-connect will flow over 400gpm at the same 100psi but with a fraction of the effort Drop the pressure to 50psi and we can still flow 250gpm out of an 1-3/4" and control it with one hand Which makes a huge difference on interior attacks Which brings me to your "14 mins of water supply onboard". A proper set up as I mentioned above doesn't need 14 minutes. Again I started out with reel lines in the 80's and Ive worked fully involved rooms with them... yup, one often needs the minutes you mentioned to darken and cool things down. On the other hand, bank 400gpm at 100psi off the ceiling for 4-5 seconds and I've watched the temp drop from 2,000 to 200 almost instantly. All without air entrainment which keeps the whole open structure cooler resulting in far less chance of burning a firefighter or victim. Think about it this way, if your kid was trapped in a room on the other side of a fire, would you rather have: a) 14 minutes of slow & stiff glorified garden hose that can push flesh burning steam throughout the structure b) An easy to move handheld cannon that with a 5 seconds burst can darken the room and lower temperatures 1500+ degrees As firefighters go I'm an old-timer having first started in the 80's... but unlike many I welcome science and technology advancements that result in fighting fires smarter 😉
No Water, No House access. Bad combination when your house is on fire. Plenty of water and training doesn't help if your house sits where this one does. I listened to the fire comms the night this happened from tone out to fire out and it was painful listening to crews just trying to get access to the fire when there really wasn't one with heavy fire evident. Tanker 184 was dispatched on the primary run card but the primary plan was for pumpers to lay in with LDH from hydrants not shuttle tanker water. While you're working off tank water expecting hydrant water, then having to rely on the evolutions of tanker water because of bad hydrants that creates a entirely different fire scene for numerous reasons from FF's to OIC's which unfortunately will always result in exactly what happened here. Most of these vids are watched without hearing any fireground comms to understand what's really being seen resulting in some interesting comments from viewers or just spectators. Many of these same comments are heard at fire scene by novice bystanders.
What good can come from FF going into a house with flashover conditions? Risking the FF lives to save people that would 100% have perished. Bad tactics imo. Now I obviously don't have a;; the details but if this is inface the case.. Shame on that Chief for risking his FF lives..
You’re 110% wrong and should delete your account. Shut up and go arm chair quarterback somewhere else. And you’re right you don’t have a clue. So shut up unless you have the facts.
Where was the ground ladder to the second floor. Truck company needs to do their job before making entry. Situational awareness/ attention to detail!!!
