@@lostproductionspdx cool, I have a lens adapter with an L just like yours. The strain between the lens and the adapter is not something to worry about?
@@lostproductionspdx thank you for the reply. A b4 adapter is not too expensive although some are outrageous in price. It's crazy. I see them cheap sometimes and think I would get a kind of consistent "holga" "toy" camera look. I do wonder if I can hand hold them or perhaps use a mini 6 inch tripod or strobe frame as a "pistol grip"
@@lostproductionspdx btw I came across some old angeliuex lenses, the zoom ones 25 mm to 125 mm? Something like that, unfortunately they are the old Krasnogorek mount and hard to find a adapter. It did come with one old lense adapter to c mount. I might just tight bond together. It feels a bit loose. They seem amazing. Many old films were Done with them. I believe Truffut , Kubrick French wave etc. Excuse any typos. 😂
@@unbroken1010 Some of the adapters are for specific cameras and need expensive glass so that's a possibility depending on camera. Some cameras are definitely light enough like this gh4. Bigger cameras might need lens rails. Just read as much as you can before spending money. Lots of info out there.
Using the right camera setup I think you can get a VERY pleasing look with a B4/ENG lens. Granted some lenses are way past their prime but if you get one in decent condition and pair it with, say, a BMPCC 4K/RAW you get an image that is sharp BUT the sharpness is dampened just the right amount by the older lens. You get something akin to a Super 16mm film look because the lens also has slight artifacts (such as chromatic aberration and blooming) that are not great for modern TV but just fine for a nature scene. Case in point, I shot this with a BMPCC 4K and a B4 (probably my Canon but could be the Fuji) where the zoom is really good. A tip: don't try this handheld like I quite OBVIOUSLY did! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4p4XQUtieKA.html
I appreciate that you review an alternative to the extremely expensive "original lights", thank you for that!! Just an update: in 2024, when looking to buy this light, I found nothing. In other words: seems like the company stopped selling/manufacturing this light, which makes this light suspicious. Would you mind doing a new quick review on this light, 3 years after the original review? Or at least tell us if 3 years after buying it, is it still alive?😅
The company has a similar model still available but likely they will stop manufacturing it soon. There are 3 models with different features. HM-3826 GM-3836 GW-4836 You will find them under spot moving head on their website.
The lights are still working after 6 years however they have needed parts and maintenance beyond what a normal person is likely willing to do. Higher quality moving lights will last longer but all will need regular maintenance and replacement parts after years of use.
It's a Hirose cable, you need to make sure the pin configuration is correct, look up your lens model and confirm what it needs before buying something. 4 pin, 6 pin, 8 pin and 12 pin Hirose cables exist, just confirm what's on your lens and which pins need DC power.
As someone who is getting a Panasonic AG-AF100 camera, and has a collection of vintage ENG cameras and B4/B3 lenses, is this a better idea than buying a normal M4/3 lens?
If you already have the lenses, buying a cheap adapter is totally worth it. Image quality is noticeably lower vs a modern M4/3 Lens. Less noticeable in sunlight I would argue.
I'm curious if the gen 2's cheaper hose is the main culprit for the inconsistent output? I also noticed your side by side comparison has them both shooting straight up. I'm wondering if you ever had any of that inconsistent output from your gen 2's when the nozzle was NOT aimed up. I'm a filmmaker looking for a good fog machine to add haze/fog/smoke for shoots, and wouldn't typically need a machine that shoots directly up. Reliability is obviously a must have, though. Do you have any thoughts on a machine (any brand) that would best suit my particular needs?
The ability to aim these is seriously one of the coolest features but honestly I'm usually just shooting straight out as well. My opinion is portability and control for you are crucial, I would check out the ultratec ultra handy fogger. Another that comes to mind is Rosco Mini V and Look Solutions Viper S. Here's a list of additional companies that could provide a solution. Reel EFX ADJ Antari Le Maitre MDG Froggys Fog If the warranty is only one year, the build quality is going to likely be low. Plenty of manufactures are offering 2 to 5 year warranties if they stand behind the product.
Hey Lost Productions! So, how’s it going, I really love your channel! I was wondering your thoughts on these particular fixtures I’m thinking about using IMRELAX CMY 400 watt LED spots…they are similar to your DAGE fixtures but are LED and include CMY! Any thoughts on these?
Well first thing I noticed was the price, if you have a $1400 budget you have options. Now nothing from a bigger manufacturer that has cmy of course. I think the brand has a decent presence of online and the light seems like a good value. Go for it! Just use a middleman to keep your money safe should there be any tom foolery. I recently ordered a sizeable amount from Shehds lighting so I'm putting them through their paces at the moment. Update: 3 out of 4 of the moving Lights I bought from Shehds have issues. Soo definitely waiting to see how customer service handles it
Oh also, I'd recommend checking out Dage, i think they could be competitive price wise to what you're looking at and my lights have been problem free for 5 years.
Sorry to bother you ,may I ask you a question? How to find the two power source pins from the 12 pins in the socket ? Which is the positive and which is the negative ? I know they has the sequence from 1-12
On Facebook, look up Cherry Lu Dage Lighting to chat with the rep I purchased from. www.dagelight.com/index.php?l=en I don't sell them but maybe I should.
Make sure you do your due diligence on compatibility, like I mentioned there are some slight differences with the blackmagic units. This might work with the studio camera but I can't guarantee it. Check some forums perhaps or go ahead and take the leap of faith hah. Let us know what you find in the comments. www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1103381-REG/fotodiox_b4_mgc_mft_p_b4_magic_mft_pro_lens.html/?ap=y&gclid=CjwKCAjw9qiTBhBbEiwAp-GE0VC4_2iy4XoeOoSOi9pGSU_81rkQm0QebSOWJTD2Yk6k3xQRB9hVhxoCO5UQAvD_BwE&lsft=BI%3A514&smp=y
Thank you for this comparison. It's a shame that you loose the low light benefit. I am still looking for how to film in a church or theater (not the cinema type), with an f 2.8 it seems to be to dark most of the time. I bring the ISO up to 3000+, any other suggestions for a cheap zoom lens in lower light condition with an gh5?
The GH5 should be really solid in low light 🕯️. What frame rate and shutter speed are you using? If you're doing 60p that could be part of it or it's just incredibly dark. There are some good videos on YT about camera settings to maximize your light intake. I would start by checking your settings since that camera should perform nicely. Otherwise, seems Sony sensors are the kings of low light, I really was impressed by the Blackmagic Cameras too.
Thanks, for that. Go binge sound shop vlogs for more production tom foolery. I'm hoping people actually buy them so I get to see them in person one day and the company gets to release more products.
I've bought over 20 fixtures from China since 2014 for my cover band, most being 12 X 10W RGBAW Led Pars, I've had to replace a couple but 80% still running no problems. Loud fans not an issue in Bars and Clubs. A few points: 1) Almost all lights are made in China, even name brands. 2) Most name brands find lights they like at trade shows, buy in bulk and slap their name on them. Yes, they have better support and manuals, but sell for triple or quadruple the price. 3) Some factories even sell the same lights they sell to name brands to other resellers. Capitalism at it's best, move as much product as possible. Try and take them to court in China... So I could buy Chauvet Intimidator 350s or ADJ Focus 3Zs 100W LED moving heads for $800+ each or buy 4 similarly featured $200 no-name ones from AliExpress or Ebay for that same $800. It's a no-brainer, treat them as a commodity. If 1 out of 4 breaks, I'll get a replacement and still come out ahead. Also helps to be handy.
Friends and loved ones, If you can afford the name brand lights you'll be getting a more consistent product with excellent resale value and parts availability. Also you don't have to pay retail, in fact no one who buys in quantity pays retail price. At the end of the day, it's a tool and if the tool is accomplishing the demands you have, it's the right tool for the job. The whole made in china thing doesn't mean much. Like you say, they keep the factory rolling, in the morning they fill American DJs order, then they fill Elation Lighting and then they do Blizzard lighting and Mega Lite. Then the night shift is unbranded product sold to a bunch of others who rebrand it with random obscure brands. They might come from the same factory but they aren't built with the same parts or running the same software etc, each manufacturer has it's own specs and Quality Control. A 20% failure rate isn't unsubstantial to someone spending $100k on lights. Maybe it is for someone spending $2k. Big lighting rental companies are beginning to embrace unbranded products however they call the "generic" product by what it's copying, sharpy, atomic strobe, intimidator for example. So what would you rather have? If you know the actual supplier and have enough money you might be able to get an identical product but only for deep pockets not for small players. Personally, I find the brand name is better designed, performs better and is overall more desirable for me and my diverse client needs. If your lights don't have a brand name how are you going to get more of the exact same product or even recommend someone else buy it? Essentially I'm writing the same points I mentioned in the video. Everyone would rather have the brand name, not everyone can afford it and that's totally fine.
@@_0O0O0O0_ You have to get them directly through dage and the prices were much higher than that with shipping. They have a facebook page where you can get quotes.
Hey Lucy, You have many options however I can't really speak to the reliability or quality of all these machines from every manufacturer. Look at the warranty and availability of parts though. Ultratec for example while 2 to 3x the price offer a 5 year warranty. ADJ offers the closest to Chauvet in terms of pricing and model line up. I run ADJ haze machines and they've been reliable for years so far. I'm seeing many negative reviews of lower priced machines. If you want something reliable, you need to increase your budget sadly. ADJ Chauvet Froggys Fog Antari Reel EFX LeMaitre Effects Ultratec Effects Look Solutions MDG Fog
So how would you even find the first generation models????? All the ones listed on eBay are selling the current generation even though it shows photos of the one models..
Well at this point they're all used, you won't find any unopened new ones. Plus they're all likely pretty heavily abused. I would just highly recommend you avoid this current gen unless you're using it indoors all the time and it doesn't move much. My needs were too demanding for it though. Go Ultratec if you want made in USA or Antari, Froggys Fog, or ADJ for good Chinese units.
@@lostproductionspdx Well Ultratec looks to be way out of my price range at over 1k and 2k.. Antari doesn't seem to have much of a good selection other than hazers.. ADJ has a nice one out with the LED lights and can be used in different directions, and I'm hearing those are better with the thinner fog that disappears pretty quick, and also they don't have the control that can be used with settings/timer etc.. like the Chauvet has.. So I'm completely out of ideas.. It's for mobile DJing, and the one I was using the ADJ Dynofog died on me.. Those weren't great machines and have been discontinued years ago....
How long did your Dynofog last? Throwing these machines in the car every night definitely takes it's toll. Honestly if you're happy with the dynofog used one's are so affordable. Most of the ADJ machines have timers btw, look under atmospheric/accessories on their site. The remotes are not interoperable so check the manual first. I'm not saying all Chauvet machines are bad but this particular one was very unreliable for me.
Just had the pump in my gen 1 1800 flex die after 8 years. I took it apart and everything looks good, but the plunger just doesn’t seem to want to move (maybe the coil is weak or broken internally). I bought a replacement pump from Chauvet, but they sent me something different than the part that was in my gen 1. Of course, it’s still the right shape/size and does work, but I’m a little worried since it’s a 41W Class H [1 min on/1min off] pump (produced 20042001) vs the original 48W Class F [2 min on/1 min off] pump (produced 20130311). I’m guessing they sent me the pump they use in the gen 2 machines, which is pretty disappointing.
Interesting, yeah from my observations the newer machines have a stronger spray of fog at the expense of longevity, pretty inline with those specs. I was thinking it was an age difference but it's likely they just started using a different pump. Those fog fury type machines became really popular maybe they just simplified supplies and started standardizing on parts for ease and cost reasons. If the newer machine didn't constantly break I wouldn't have minded the reduction in continuous output.
your backfocus isn't calibrated. Mine stays in focus while zooming, which is one of the major benefits to this kind of lens over a photography lens. You calibrate it with the set screw next to the macro slider.
This is true you're paying more and you're getting, a warranty, a manual that's accurate and helps you use the product plus customer support and you're gettting product consistency when you buy more later on. When you get a light without a user manual or you get two lights that don't have the same control channels for dmx, I guarantee it'll drive you crazy XD
Hey Andre XD Very nice to hear! The older units definitely were high quality. I'm taking the one in this video out for a whole week of work in the hot eastern oregon sun and I think it won't give me any trouble.
Thanks for the video! Trying to decide whether or not to get some lights like these. Just wondering where did you buy them from ad how long did shipping take? I went to their website but couldnt find where to buy them from. Thanks again!
To be honest it's been 4 years since they were purchased and I don't remember how long shipping took. As you know because of coronavirus shipping costs have skyrocketed for a multitude of reasons, US port and Chinese. You can message cherry@dagelight.com for ordering and quote info, she also commented on this video.
@@thomasgriffin3474 They have accurate total fixture clocks and lamp clocks. I've been using the same lamps for 3 years without failure. This year they will need to be replaced.
This lens is not even designed for 720p, I'm not talking about Full HD and even more so 4K. And so you can fasten and take pictures, with chromatic aberrations and not a clear picture.
Yeah it's a compromise for sure, but for the price and the need that it accomplishes, definitely worth it for me personally. Just depends on what you're trying to accomplish I suppose.
This a really great review. But I wonder why the B4 video quality is so inferior compared to the kit lens? I was gonna get myself one to use with a Sony A6400 (which has 1.5x/2x digital zoom), but after a few videos I watched I kinda think it's not worth it?
It's definitely inferior, especially when you see them side by side. I can't speak precisely to scientific reasons but older lenses were designed for different camera's, film for example or 3 chip sensors. So the sensor and the lems were never designed to work together. So you get some undesirable image qualities but of course the zoom range is incredibly helpful for certain use cases.
Most of this lenses are for SD cameras so lenses didn't need to be so sharp, with HD cameras new really expensive B4 lenses came out with better quality. Some people say that you avoid SD lenses but I think a lot of them worth it, specially in terms of price and quality.
Prices vary based on location, your best bet is to reach out to Dage directly for price and shipping quote. Shipping and tariffs really add up. Price for me < $1k per light delivered.
Thanks for your comments. You should update us in a few months and let us know how often you use it, how long and where you use the unit. Maybe I got a bad run, but the more people that comment the more info we have.
If you're in the Portland OR area, I can offer repair services, however depending on what's wrong, at this price level of machine; sometimes it doesn't make sense to repair them. There are two main parts in the machine that fail, heater or pump.
Hi Lost Productions, thanks for your fair evaluation of our GT-3320, this is a product 3-4 years ago. Our latest products, GW-3836 and GT-4836, have improved a lot in terms of light source, optical system, materials and stability. Welcome to check here: facebook.com/dage.stagelighting.Cherry/
I notice immediately that the optics look better in your newest model, i can't believe you managed to put cmy and a framing system in as well. That's incredible.
@@lostproductionspdx Yes, this new model GW-4836 BEAM/SPOT/WASH/FRAME also with CMY+CTO, our engineers spent 2 years for R&D, production and repeated testing, now finally finished, the first 1000 pieces will be try out in the market recently.
@@cherrylu7135 I should have done a better job mentioning that yes these are 3 years old, have 100s of hours outside for week long stretches(which they are not built to do) and are still reliably firing up. Have only had to replace fans. I do take very good care of them, always tarped when outdoors for extended periods for example. Very interested in the new units :)
@@lostproductionspdx You are very good at presenting the characteristics of lights. No matter what products have advantages and disadvantages, everyone likes to watch them. Thank you for taking care of them so well. If you need after-sales support and want to try our new products, please feel free to contact me.
@@cherrylu7135 I remember watching your videos before buying them and taking a chance, not really knowing how long they would last for example. This video is exactly what I wanted to know before I bought them, maybe it'll convince some others to take the chance, just keep taking care of your customers and fix problems and your sales will continue to grow.
Just shows how chauvet has ruined their products, they also had the geyser RGB, discontinued that and replaced with weak ones. I hate what they have done to the 1800... they also ruined the 700, the smallest fogger they sell, utter garbage now - doesn’t even have a gland around the fluid tank and the bottle is so cheap it strips out when you tighten it
I hope they see this and get their act together, we don't want to buy crap it's simple right. Like I mention in the video though every body has duds even the biggest most respected names, hope they get it together.
Thanks a bunch, if you have any questions feel free to ask them. Almost every lighting manufacturer has a fixture just like this there are so many options.
He's totally not promoting them. He gives an honest, transparent review for what they do well and what they don't. Why do you say that the lights are illegal?
Chauvet do a bunch of other foggers as well. The Geysers are really good. I have used Chauvet products for quite some time and everything I've received is still working. The only thing I've had break on me is a fader on my Obey 70, but I started using Chamsys to control my lights then.
I love Chauvet stuff, I've used many of their products and own some as well but I really don't understand what happened with this particular product. These machines kicked so much ass and then they changed everything about them. The original units are incredible so it's sad to see the decline in quality. I've learned that every company has duds now and again.
@@lostproductionspdx yeah. I'm getting the Hurricane 1600 and I've heard they got good reviews. It has continuous output even at full volume and DMX comparability. All Chauvet products are made in China as are most products so there will be a small number of faulty units.
@@andrewgrindley6773 i have a 100% failure rate on these 4 units, I'm steering clear of this particular iteration of the product. My needs are more demanding perhaps than the intended audience but the old model filled my needs easily.
Thanks for the honest comparison. I’ve been on market for a good machine and this has helped with making decisions. If it weren’t for videos like this one, we wouldn’t know what to look for.
No Problem Carolina, like I say in the video all of us put our all into our work and we don't have time for investments that don't last. I've learned that brand names matter up to a point. Some products are great and some are duds. I'm glad the video helped someone.
Really is a lovely effect. To my knowledge the viper in particular has a full wheel that can continously rotate, this rotates back and forth on a section of the wheel. This allows the wheel to host some more fixed gobos. A great compromise in my opinion.
@@andrewgrindley6773 Gotcha! So it's very similar to this then, the back and forth on the wheel. Did not know that. I'm considering mythos for my next hyrbids, I can't afford mega pointes but they seem to be the most capable. Any other recommendations for a good hybrid fixture. Mythos is really heavy which is my biggest concern.
@@lostproductionspdx I would say just continue saving money and go for the megapointes if you want a lightweight fixture with full colour mixing. Chauvet professional also has a new IP65 hybrid coming out which has a good zoom range but doesn't have an animation wheel or colour mixing (13 colours plus white on one wheel).
Thanks for the comment, yeah I was thinking this was isolated to cheaper units but was watching a recording of some Clay Paky mythos units and was somewhat shocked to see very similar on camera issues. I think it's these new short arc lamps in particular though that suffer from this. Knowing that, one could easily swap the fans in these for something quieter and they would be very close to their european competition.
@@andrewgrindley6773 you know what this Dage Unit might have a trick up it's sleeve to combat the hotspot. I think one of the gobos acheievs a "beam smoothing" like effect. I'll go test it out
I was wrong there's a gobo that effectively makes the hotspot brighter which can be very ueeful to maximize output. Playing with the unit I would say it's not unuseable on camera, it's just takes more work than an led sourced light for example.
