Thanks so much for taking the time to make this detailed video! Best one specific to Armstrong gear. I’ve been struggling with my Dart 140 and just realized I’ve been sanding the wrong edge. I kept thinking had it perfect take it out and it’s worse than ever hahahaha. Gonna get it dialed today ;)
Wow got it 90% better! Just need to tune it a little more. This session only one speed about 10% of the time it whistled. Compared to previous session where 90% of time it was howling and even vibrating under my back foot! I also chopped the tips as per Oskar Johannsen recommendation. Really nice feel more bite in the turns. I think the remaining hum is likely from needing to fine tune the tips. Hope to catch a session with you in Kailua 🤙🏽 thanks again!
@@maxnuccio2440 Awesome. Yea, I’m pretty confident if you work on it a bit more using this technique you’ll get it perfectly quiet. Are you out Kailua side? Hit me up on IG if you wanna do a downwinder or something. Been doing boat escort downwinders too. 😎🤙
@@RobWestgeest-m6p Sorry. Got lazy posting the setup details. PM795 mast. 60 fuse. And my favorite tail for trying to paddle up the MA1750 was the crisp 333 tail. The glide 220 gives you more forward drive when you pump, but it's slow and draggy. The speed 180 loosens it up and makes it turn better and reduces drag. But you gotta keep the speed up when pumping. The crisp 333 tail has the most forward projection when pumping and has a surprisingly low drag profile. Now days the biggest foil I usually ride it the HA1180 with either the speed 180 tail or the dart 140. 😎🤙
So for anyone with the same problem open the FLIER firmware and flash for your specific esc the low KV so for example I am using the Boat_16S_V30 and I put Boat_16S_V30_LowKV on it and now it works with this flipsky motor this should work for all the flier ESC's i am using a 240A model
Yea man! DW board is a game changer! I've been pretty much exclusively winging on a Downwind board for two years now starting with the original Barracuda. Pumps better, goes up wind better, and let's you ride a smaller foil and hand wing. I can do 6-8 mph winds on a 4.5m wing. 😎🤙
Go big or go home! 😂 HA1180. I can just barely flat water paddle it up. And it's comfortable at 20 mph. Super efficient in the 10-15 mph range. Good pump. I'll add my equipment details to the video description. Check that out for the other specs! Yewww! 😎🤙
That seems strange. I wonder how long Armstrong have been using prepreg carbon for? When you do a hand layup it's hard to control the loose fibre edges to keep them near the mould edges but prepreg can be cut and laid very precisely, shouldn't be making the trailing edge fat.
I think a big factor is liability. They don't want to make the foil too sharp and risk more injured riders and a getting sued. Like a lot of equipment......tuning and tweaking is required for best results. 😎🤙
Hi.. i added you as friend on FB.. i am curious now that you are using 1180 do you have any need for the 1750 at all? would love to chat with you to compare the two, and my purpose would be light wind winging.. also interested in hearing more about the xps wings as well.
The breach recovery is amazing with the MA foils. Unlike any other foil I’ve every ridden. The MA1750 is faster than the APF1675 by a lot. But it’s also a lot harder to flat water paddle up. But, if you are winging the MA1750 works in practically no wind. The APF1675 is a special foil because of it’s super low stall speed. So super light wind winging, or dock starting, or flat water paddle ups, or learning to downwind. I should ride the MA1750 back to back with the HA1180 and do a review of the two. The HA1180 is very efficient. I have to say the 1180 pumps easier than the 1750. Not sure on their stall speeds. I’ll have to get back to you. Follow me and Look for future videos. 😎🤙
Psst. its incorrectly programmed, the controller os forward only but the ECU is programmed for forward backwards. This gives you 50% throttle and a funky result. Had the same issue at first, you need to calibrate it for the controller and so on
@@Retrograde99 my current answer is that they have guides on their website. Its like "coding" with the throttle :) i dont have access to my stuff so cant send the guide
@@williamwestonnI found this solution open FLIER firmware and flash for your specific esc the low KV so for example I am using the Boat_16S_V30 and I put Boat_16S_V30_LowKV on it and now it works with this flipsky motor this should work for all the flier ESC's i am using a 240A model that fixed it for me
Hi. It’s my slowest easiest foil! The Armstrong APF1675. It’s a really good foil for pumping and low energy small bumps and learning to flat water paddle up. 😎🤙
@@ptj6412 This is a custom KT. I really liked my original design Kalama Barracuda. It was a custom before the production boards were available. I had some durability issues with it after a year and wanted my second DW board to be carbon fiber. That’s why I went with the KT the second time. This KT was a $3,000 board. Can’t go wrong with the production Kalama Barracuda, great value. I’d pick the Kalama over the KT if I was buying a production board. 😎🤙
Hey man. Thx! It’s a GoPro 360. And I just lost it winging yesterday. 😭 Gonna go look for it when the wind dies down. But, I like the GoPro. I’ll replace it with another one. Having the unlimited cloud upload storage is super nice. 😎🤙
Hi. Thx. The 1675 is much easier to pop up. Lower stall speed and super easy pumping. The 1750 is faster but much harder to paddle up and the pump is harder to Maintain speed between bumps. The 1750 breach recovery is amazing. The 1675 is tricky to go fast on, it takes a small rear tail and lots of practice to go fast on it. 1675 is happy at 12-14 mph. The 1750 is happy at 15 mph. 1675 top speed for me was 18 mph dropping in on downwind swell. The 1750 is closer to 20 mph. Doesn’t sound like a lot, but is a noticeable difference. However, if you are trying to Lear to downwind the 1675 is a game changer! It’s so much easier to paddle up and to not come off foil when hunting for bumps
Hi. It depends on where your feet are on the board. Mast forward in the tracks is more advanced, more efficient. But, only to a point because the board must be balanced. Ride your board and look at where your rear foot is. Do you have foot strap inserts behind your rear foot? If so, then no problem. Attached the box behind your rear foot. 😎🤙
@@flightjunkie808 thanks for the fast answer! I don't have the board yet... Have to buy something. Ideally it should be good for dock-start, prone and foil-assist...
@@vim55k There are a lot of factors that go into a good board. I would recommend trying before you buy, or getting the setup you see other using with the same foil you have. Some brands don’t mix well together. And what makes a good dock start board VS a prone board are worlds apart. You will have a pile of boards soon. The thing to avoid is boards that don’t work well. 😎🤙
Pump seems to be the K-pump mini. But don’t know how do you connect it to the wing valve… that pump doesn’t come with wing adapters, does it? I’m very interested in that pump as it seems to be much more compact than a standard one…
Yes. It’s the k-pump mini. Comes with a bag of rubber plug type universal adapters and some rubber parts. I was able to take the fitting off the end of my kite pump hose and use one of the rubber pieces and attach it to the pump. I used super glue to hold the pieces together. Hasn’t failed yet. 😎🤙
Good stuff man. I am just on the brink of starting lo learn. And your video along others are like fuel to the engine. Worth really a lot. And to learn of your progression the first year makes me think I actually will get to the goal and do real downwind sessions. How fast i will get there, doesn’t matter. Just the prospect of being able to reach the goal to ride the swell/waves is thrilling to the thought. Keep the videos coming!
It’s slow. But super efficient pump. So, this means staying on foil is really easy when learning to read downwind bumps. That’s where I’m at. I’d rather go slower than struggle to stay on foil. The APF foil let’s me just turn parallel to the swell and pump to keep speed up while I look for the next downhill. Speed is about 10-15 mph for this foil. Can push it up to about 18 mph. And it’s most efficient in the 12-15mph range for me it seems. I’m 175lbs / 80kg. 🤙
I’ve been using this method to learn DW thanks to you! Great to see it start to finish. I had a fishing boat come over to check if I was alright when they saw my wing deflated. You have to love the community on the water. With the k-pump, do you just keep pumping until the unit starts to bleed air (I think around 8psi)? When I first tried this I under inflated my wing - which I was surprised how hard it was to use. I also need better Velcro straps for the paddle. Great technique and thanks for sharing in more detail!! Are you liking the APF over the 1750 for DW?
Hi. Thank you my friend. It's good to hear others are using this technique! 😂🍻 As far as wing pressure. I always push on my wing while inflating in with my regular pump. This trains you to feel the correct pressure. I like to pump up to 6-7 PSI. Never blindly trust a pressure gauge. By squeezing, pushing on, flicking the bladder while inflating you will learn what the correct pressure feels like. This keeps a faulty electric pump shut off, or a bad pressure gauge from over inflating your wing, because you can tell it's getting too hard, and stop. So, I just do this on the water with the k-pump. The k-pump will do 10 psi, so be careful you don't overinflate your wing. As far as the foil. The APF 1675 is way easier to paddle up than the MA 1750. The 1675 is also super easy to pump and makes staying on foil easy when downwinding. As I get better, or when I have stronger winds and bigger swell I hope to ride smaller foils. My goal is to downwind the HA 1125. That's my favorite foil. But, so far I can't paddle it up. 😎🤙
@@flightjunkie808 did you ever manage to do one on the 1125? i have it and also just bought a 1325ha to learn down wind deflates on. I weigh 68kg and have speed 180 tail and 795pm mast with a 100L axis downwinder
@@Hmanfoil Some people can paddle up the original HA foils. I’ve even seen videos of people paddle up the 725! Not me. I tried for over a year. I even tried the HA1525 and couldn’t do it. I could just barely paddle up the MA1750. The APF1675 is easy. And I can just barely paddle up the new HA1180. 😎🤙
Nice! I ride an Amundson supermodel 34l 4’6”x17… usually with the Lift 120HA. Do you think an FD would mount well on that? I’m!a bit freaked out with the potential of legs getting slashed by prop since not much Tail of board behind the mast.
Thanks man! I tried the HA1525 again, and still couldn’t paddle that one up yet. Felt close though! 6 mph on the GPS speed seems fast enough. Gotta work on technique. 😂🤙
How is the wingspan and chord of the 4.6xps compared to your 4.5m v2? Wider wingspan? Deeper cord? Or about the same? I had a 4.5m V2 but thinking to go a size larger for a little lower wind range. Thanks!
I haven't laid them next to each other to see. The wing pumping technique is different, but once you master that the 4.6 has just as much low end as the 4.5. Wing size is personal preference. I prefer small wing and big foil rather than the other way around. Because my focus is on downwinding and pumping. I can do 6-8 mph winds with the 4.6m. 😂👍
@@flightjunkie808 amazing you can get going in 6-8mph. Agree with the smaller sizes and larger foil. For my height 5’8 the 4.5m was great. Anything bigger like the 5.5m A Wing felt too large and wide.
@@ginodavid9661 Yea! It's pretty amazing what is possible with the new equipment that's coming out! Have you seen the downwind guys in Maui pump up on to foil from a stop with no wing, no paddle, nothing!?! Crazy. A 7' or 8' downwind board and a 1500 to 2000 cm foil and you can get up with practically no wind and a medium size wing! 😎🤙
Nice work mate. Do you find this much easier than say a 4'8 - 4'10 board at similar volume? And do you think it's nicer / easier to pump with it at the back rather than out front to the side? See also you had it not to high up on the mast but seemed to still work good for pumping. I just used the MA1750 yesterday with foil drive and it worked so nicely...such a nice smooth lift.
Hi! Thank you. I had this custom 40L board made the same as a downwind board if you are familiar with those. Like the Kalama Barracuda, the Malolo is Amundson’s DW shape. Long and skinny seems to be best for low drag. I just had it shrunk down to 40L. Yes, I’m very impressed with how easy it starts. But, with a big enough foil I’m sure you could start just about anything with a lay down type start. As far as for pumping, it depends on if your setup is front foot or rear foot heavy. My Armstrong setup is rear foot heavy, so having the box in the back makes pumping easier. This setup also makes the box closer to the center of rotation, the axis around which the board rotates in pitch when pumping. The ideal setup is one where the board weight is equal both sides of this axis. 😎🤙
@@flightjunkie808by the look of the underwater shot at timestamp 7:05, with the weight of the battery behind your back foot, you must be pretty close to acheiving that perfect balance fore/aft of the mast. Looks like an epic setup!
@@flightjunkie808thanks. Yeah it makes a lot of sense. Is the primary use of this setup for efficient Foil Drive assisted takeoffs in flat water, followed by balanced pumping? I’m curious to know whether you think this would be a good approach for Foil Drive assisted surf foiling? Or would the 2’ or so of tail overhang get in the way? It certainly looks the part!
@@guywhitworth5764 The long tail makes the board plane faster with less drag. So, it would make catching small waves easier. The tail doesn’t hurt with high aspect foils because they need a much flatter pitch for takeoff or they stall, so like a runway type takeoff. Low aspect foils really like a good kick tail so you can pitch the board nose up to pop up onto foil. Everything is a trade off though, so there is some overlap.
Hi! Looking for some perspective. Maybe you can help me. I bought the 5.3 and am having trouble with getting up and going on a 50L sinker. I’d been getting up on that same sinker with a 2021 5m duotone echo which is what I learned a couple months back. Once I’m able to get on foil I absolutely love the 5.3, but its proven super hard to pump it to get on foil. It seems to act kind of erratically kind of like what happens in your video around the 20 minute mark. I’ve heard people talk about adjusting to a tighter canopy but I’m unsure what to do to adjust. I thought maybe hand placement but that didn’t work for me. The short of it is I stand on my sinker and start pumping the wing to get on foil it just pumps very erratically and out of control for me. Any tips would rock 🫶🏼🙌🏼🤘🏼
Hi! Interesting. You are probably stalling the wing. These tight canopies and higher aspect ratios are more sensitive to this. Try letting your back hand out until the wing is unloaded, then just pull in with your back hand a little bit. If you keep pulling in with the back hand more and more you will feel the pull of the wing drop off, this means you have stalled the wing. When stalled it will feel uncontrollable and provide much less pull. Play with this. When you get the pitch correct for maximum pull (back hand pulled in just a little) then I suggest a circular wing pumping motion. Push the wing upwind and away from you as far as you arms can reach, then pull the wing backwards being careful not to pull in too much with your back hand, pull the wing backwards and towards you, when all the way pulled in push the wing forward and away from you. This makes a backwards circle motion. Do it quickly. Lmk how this works for you. 😎🤙 It's like scooping air from in front of you to behind you. Like you are using the wing as a paddle to paddle the air while being careful not to stall the wing, it's an airfoil after all. Gotta maintain laminar flow. 😎🤙
@@flightjunkie808 thanks for getting back to me chief! Yeah, i think it’s just gotta to be a very fine line between oversheeted/stalled and max power. Gonna try this out next time and let you know how it goes. Thanks again! P. S. just ran into your instagram by chance and saw you running an Axis wing on an Armstrong mast. Commented on it as well.
@@giovannidelarosa2865 That’s great! Changing gear alway requires a learning period. I have found as I get better, experimenting with different gear frequently speeds up the learning process, and the changes start to get easier! Enjoy the XPS wing. I’m really liking it myself. 😎🤙
Thank you! The 220 feels good with the 1750. I'm working on my pump efficiency. One I get a bit more dialed in I plan to downsize the tail for less drag and a bit more speed out of the 1750. Right now I'm maxing out around 18mph.
Great review and camera work. I’ve ridden with the go pole and it ain’t easy!! The new wing looks great. I’m fighting the temptation to get that very size.
😂👍 Thank you my friend! Yes, holding the selfie stick made it a lot harder that's for sure! It's a great wing. I'm impressed. 4.6m XPS in 10 kts of wind was no problem on my downwind setup.
If you are just motoring around on foil probably 30 minutes. But, if you just use it to get on foil the power off and pump till exhaustion then motor up wind and do it again, I get about an hour session.
Nice board and great technique! I had a foildrive the flakey remote connection was definitely one of the worst aspects about it other than the clugey box on top of the board. The new Cedrus mast version is a big step in the right direction hopefully they keep improving.
Awesome work! Have you tried many other foils? Curious your opinion compared to other lage foils. I own quite a bit of Armstrong gear and considering the 1750.
Thank you! The MA1750 is much closer to the HA1525 than it is to Axis PNG1150. The 1750 has a high stall speed and is what I would call a technical foil. It’s got a very thin airfoil section, so it is very pitch sensitive, meaning at low speeds it stalls if you pitch up or pump too hard. This makes it hard to flat water paddle up or dock start. But, it is lower drag and faster than the 1150. IDK if you have heard, but Armstrong is currently testing a pump foil that will be like the PNG1150. To sum it up, I am happy with the MA1750. Compared to the HA1525 it turn’s better but has less glide, and is easier to paddle up. 😎🤙
I see sharks quite often. I’m regularly a few miles out to sea by myself foiling. So far no issues. You just have to project energy that you are also a apex predator. Be like Ocean Ramsey right!? 🤣🤷♂️
That board looks pretty slick. Anything you’d change about it? A buddy and I are thinking of making something very similar. In the 50-60L range but similar shape in concept. I’m liking the stale fish technique! I’d didn’t even know you could hold the remote like that under water and it would work. Thanks for the tip!
Thx! The board turned out pretty good. Only thing I’d say is maybe hold off on installing foot strap inserts until you’ve ridden the board for awhile. It’s hard to get them in the correct position.
Hi! Thx. This is the foil drive assist plus with the standard battery. That’s the biggest battery option. Works good. I only have one battery and my legs are cooked by the time the battery is dead. 😎👍
In flat water with low ocean energy I don’t really notice it. But, when in big wind swell or surf with a lot of energy and more force needed to maintain control, that’s when I notice it. I’m 175lbs. Heavier riders claim to have problems sooner. 🤷♂️. This is the A+ mast. The A+ mast is stiffer than the original 85cm mast probably by as much as the new performance mast is stiffer than the A+ mast if that makes any sense. 😂🤙
@@flightjunkie808 curious if you say that because you read it somewhere or because you felt it. My experience was different, for me A+ and non A+ are the same exact masts. I made a video about that: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TG_C9n-0Q8Y.html Cheers
@@gcammar Hi. Yes! I’ve watched your video. You do a great job. I have not personally experienced the difference. Armstrong has confirmed that the A+ mast is stiffer than the pre A+ mast. I’m not saying your test results were wrong. Just maybe that was the exception? Like maybe you got a late generation pre A+ that they already made stiffer? Idk. But, plenty of long time Armstrong riders say they have both masts and the A+ is much stiffer. It’s also possible that the pre A+ mast has structural failure internally that makes it lose it’s stiffness and your mast hasn’t failed. 🤷♂️
