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Our goal is to help spread critical thinking, reason, and understanding in the world so you can better examine the claims that are being made all around you. We want to help you learn how to think, not tell you what to think.

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@Jinka7
@Jinka7 11 дней назад
My public school had a Civics class mandatory in the 8th grade. Even had to memorize the Preamble. That's where I first learned some of the amendments, too.
@alexathegr8
@alexathegr8 Месяц назад
Religion is a death cult. Your life on earth is nothing compared to heaven. It’s crazy looking back how brainwashed I was. How I wanted Jesus to come back and just bring us all back to heaven. To not appreciate the present moment because life on earth is just a waiting room. I feel all of this, great video
@thatonedude932
@thatonedude932 21 день назад
Imagine if there was no heaven. We would be more focused on improving our world instead of waiting to “be sent to our true home”. Our lives might’ve been better if we weren’t focused on such prospects
@davidrexford586
@davidrexford586 10 дней назад
@@thatonedude932 That may be true to you but remember we all think differently than everyone else. I have known God for over 40 years and live a normal life and just help others in need around me and found out it’s better to give than receive.
@williamcody3415
@williamcody3415 Месяц назад
WELCOME TO MK ULTRA style brainwashing. if life sucks and an assumed magical afterlife is your goal...... what a waste. go meet your fiction god today... please. a cult of death and most dont even read the texts. they cherry pick the parts they want. the more I hear of your miserable lives.... If I had to believe this stuff... I would end it jesus is myth. yhwh is a monster. to have a fictional character as my only focus in life is the worst life I could imagine...sounds like the mythical hell to me. enjoy if thats your thing.
@Viky.A.V.
@Viky.A.V. Месяц назад
Gosh, that sounded almost physically painful to me! My only experience in a church: my grandmother took me to the service once, I saw scary paintings (you know, the one with the head on a plate, ugh) and I said "No. More. Never." She didn't have a chance to indoctrinate me =D Here in Ukraine religion is rather obsolete, even though few people say it out loud. My parents weren't that religious. My Mom has always let me know that I'm the most important, and I though it was too much to be such a "VIP", haha! Yet I was grateful and I love her immensely. She, on the other hand, was a victim of "you're not enough" phrase, because her parents were loyal to the ex ussr (which was built cult-ish). It took me years to assure her that she was the best person in my entire life. She would sometimes ask questions like "What if I became a bad person?" and I'd reply "I'd still love you because you're my mom". And she would sit there quietly, amazed. I felt to sorry that her parents didn't give her even half of all that love that she gives me. They lived in what we may call a disguised theocracy. Cults are bad, whatever they are.
@sweetsue6177
@sweetsue6177 Месяц назад
Jesus said to leaders of his time: " If a blind person leads another blind person, they will both fall in the pit". So, what does God to do with all your problems? And compare relationship with people to relationship to God, is a bit strange. If you were a doughter of the most powerful and magnificant king in the whole world, would be apropriate if you would just be a spoiled child, who wants all her wishes must come true, or be proud of who your father is, obey him, becouse you know, he is the wisest person, who loves you so much, he would die for you any time and would never demand from you something that may harm you. So have some dignety as a child of God, and stop being crybaby. I do not see any good attempt in this podcast. You work for the devil. Even if the church you participated opressed you, you could find another one. Stop lieing to yourself and lead others to the misery. It is evil what you are doing. You can say that this is your expirience and you maybe never even believed in God, but have been born and raised as religios person ( not a person who truly have Faith), and the result is, that you now live by your own 'will'. So be it. But why do you try to pull others into this mess of yours??
@buckanderson3520
@buckanderson3520 Месяц назад
There is no wonder as to why young people today have so much anxiety, it's because what people thought would give them freedom only made them prisoners to the wind. There is a direct connection between anxiety and lawlessness. Having no certainty about anything is the same as being totally insecure. Things that are no longer up for question are things you no longer have to worry about. There's freedom in rules and structure because there's security in it. We may need to think outside the box sometimes but we must not forget that the box is whole point. Believe me it's quite tiresome to have to constantly rediscover the wheel every time you have a problem. It's funny how people who believe so much in the scientific method are so quick to dismiss the data and conclusions gathered from an experiment that has been running since at least as long as human beings have existed. Yep, throw out all that knowledge, smart!
@move_i_got_this5659
@move_i_got_this5659 Месяц назад
The mystery of God. There are a lot of questions and God has all the answers. But He’s not giving out the answers so easily. 😊 How many times did Jesus explain something to the disciples but they still didn’t understand because God kept it from them. It talks about the vail that blinds the Jewish people so that they don’t understand. Even the 12 didn’t know Jesus was the lamb of God but some of the people did because God must have told them. The Bible is written in code. And no denomination has figured it out. Think you know the Bible? Then show me a hell doctrine from the Old Testament. 😂 The “hell and brimstone god of the Old Testament”
@davidrexford586
@davidrexford586 Месяц назад
Maybe God keeps some things from people until the right moment to reveal it to them? Remember everything that happens is for a purpose and means that God determines because we are all created for Gods purposes and not ours Ephesians 2v10.. let go and let thy God determine his own purpose for all of us because ultimately it’s thy Gods will be done and not are own will be done.
@Non-religiou
@Non-religiou Месяц назад
Bible is false folks
@Sealust50
@Sealust50 10 дней назад
​@@davidrexford586 Just WHEN is the "right moment"??? After we die? - As in the church hymn "We Will Understand it Better By and By"? If that's the case, what good is that? Everything is already set in stone at that point.
@davidrexford586
@davidrexford586 10 дней назад
@@Sealust50maybe the right moment is any day past the age of accountability? That day when you start to understand right from wrong around 12 or 13 years old. Maybe that’s the time God starts wooing people towards him through all kinds of different ways and maybe people just reject those times and keep resisting. And then if they keep resisting the older they get , God gives them over to their own devices in the hope that death itself will be the wake up call.. Honestly I don’t know how it all plays out as one individual Soul to another as we all decide alone from each other what we will ultimately believe in ourselves.
@Sealust50
@Sealust50 10 дней назад
@@davidrexford586 You're missing the point of my question. I'm not referring to when God reveals to a person that they are in sin, I'm referring to all of the UNANSWERED questions people have, even the ones that christians ignore or decide to not acknowledge for convenience and comfort sake - like "If God is perfect, incapable of making mistakes, and all loving, WHY did HE create EVIL in the first place? That question is just one of many. We need answers to those questions NOW, not later.
@The_hidden-Life
@The_hidden-Life Месяц назад
If you want something violent about christianity Remember to pull up lines of the old testament, Might bore viewers out and just twist the book 360 degrees and completeflety forget about the new testament. Your making Athiests look bad and your embarrasing me, Cognative discodence. You know islam is the only bad thing in this world at the moment yet would choose christianity, Like christianity where you grow up is probably way more different, Different factors, Same could be applied to muslims but lets be honest if a book say 6 and 9 years old you know somethings up, peronally all the christians seeing this comment carry on the good work never falter cause your god seems to make sense more than anything else at the minute. From a pagan-"ish" guy Hope christians could pray for me if it will work. We are secular BECAUSE. of christianity. Nothing secular in the middle east north africa and western asia with a few exceptions Like turkey or Azerbaijan . Secularism I.E Subsaharan Africa The Americas Europe, East asia except parts of the indonesian sphere. ANTARCTICA 💀 Cmon guys dont misinform people
@davidrexford586
@davidrexford586 Месяц назад
The past doesn’t always apply to the present. In the past the law was implemented and now we live under Grace.
@The_hidden-Life
@The_hidden-Life Месяц назад
Deep think, You guys are actually more tradition oriented and associating that with the religion. This whole video. And a series of talking points where you need to work on your self rather than constantly forcing yourself to think in a certain way. Theres a limit to everything. But christianity aint bad AT ALL. I aint christian " Agnostic Spiritual, Pagan whatever i dont care"but the new athiest talking point is very cringey not even informing. More like you are indoctrinating people yourselves right? Contradictions cmon guys The reason you are secular is BECAUSE OF christianity Nun else unless your nature is like that or born in a secular household. Muslims leave islam Christians leave christianity but seriously guys This topic isnt brand new. We should focus on the threat of islam, "Nothing racial" being its what one believes right? How it creates xenophobia Complain bout that dont complain about christianity. thats like eating beef but having a pet cow doesnt make sense, You love the cow feed the cow grow him or her up take it to the vet. Yet would eat her mother. but yet you wanna be free. "IE Natural Christianity" Sounds odd nah? your free because of christianity. Instead you Idol all the embodiements of your free will. Like in this vid. It was your free will to do this video. Christianity is a glory to this earth right now. Every talking point can be twisted to suit an agenda like this video no doubt. I believe in Old spiritual shit and i stick by it. But no doubt if i chose a religion it would be christianity. Nothing else If you wanna be an idol worshipper become like me lol, Rather be baptised than wanna ever kill someone of a kids age.
@bornagaincarpenter
@bornagaincarpenter Месяц назад
Get saved. You talk about religion and tradition not the bible. Francis chan is a false prophet
@The_hidden-Life
@The_hidden-Life Месяц назад
exactly, Its getting out of hand I aint even a christian but im on your side against violence Child abuse and everything else, I wouuld gladly eat by you and break bread but not with certain "Religious groups " or cults . Christianity is not a cult. Its actually from what i have seen love.
@bornagaincarpenter
@bornagaincarpenter Месяц назад
@@The_hidden-Life you should get saved too. 99.9% of church buildings have nothing to do with the king James bible.. going to a building and singing songs while the preacher streals your money is not in the bible. Yes The bible says God is Love. And at the same time God is a consuming fire and a man of war. A false balance is an abomination unto the Lord.
@brendanallen3759
@brendanallen3759 Месяц назад
I’m becoming weary of people with a very poor understanding of science, “debunking” science. “I can’t understand this thing. Therefore JESUS! BIBLE!” Uh no, that definitely doesn’t logically follow.
@DarqueSyde66
@DarqueSyde66 Месяц назад
Congratulations to you for finding your way out of all that mess. Good luck to you on your continued growth. I have never been a believer. But I am certain your story will help others who are finding their way out. And I don’t know much about the rope guy, but l’m fairly certain his little red portion of the timeline is TOTALLY good to go and he has nothing to worry about while he takes his flocks money as they "invest" in their "eternal life." Liked and subscribed.
@finnlewis2528
@finnlewis2528 Месяц назад
Childless and Fatherless no wondered these shallow soylents are Godless
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 Месяц назад
When you know Jesus you don't play the victim or blame others for your unhappiness. Anyone who follows your lead will just fall into greater darkness.
@kristinehollingsworth8471
@kristinehollingsworth8471 Месяц назад
Icky. Quit being a weiner
@michaeleldredge4279
@michaeleldredge4279 Месяц назад
What are you talking about? Christians play the victim all the time. The Bible even has passages implying that you aren't really a Christian unless you are being persecuted. Christian doctrine blames Adam, Eve, and Satan for every bad thing in the world. It's their goto response to the problem of evil. Don't try to tell me that they never blame others for their unhappiness.
@lokilawson
@lokilawson Месяц назад
So, it sounds like what you are saying is that if you are being abused by your church for instance, you must not claim to be a victim. I would suspect that one of the now adults who was abused sexually by their priest or pastor as a child, and had it covered up and protected by the church, might have a different opinion. That is certainly NOT a reflection on God if he does exist, but one would think that you would not be opposed to people exposing the abuse that they experienced in the institution that is supposed to be built around the worship of God, and seeking and saving the lost. Why wouldn’t you want light to be shone in those dark places so that they can be fixed? Claiming that church leaders should be immune from criticism because their members must not play victim, is a recipe for disastrous abuse. Jesus’ most harsh words were against the religious leaders of the day, who granted themselves authority over others by taking advantage of their eagerness to obey God. What makes us think that such corruption could not happen now as well? Whether or not I believe in God is irrelevant on this point.
@jeremyhinken3365
@jeremyhinken3365 Месяц назад
Atheism never comforts anyone or takes away any of the pain, it just kills hope.
@lokilawson
@lokilawson Месяц назад
@@jeremyhinken3365sadly hope and comfort aren’t proof of anything. I remember being profoundly disappointed when I learned about Santa, but I picked myself up, put my reality together, and lived my life, now understanding that magic is not real. And I ended up with a new appreciation for my parents. I remember my dad having to raid a piggy bank once to pay for the gas to get himself back and forth for work for that week. And yet, somehow, my parents managed to make Christmas Day full of joy and dreams come true. Not believing in god or an afterlife can give you a new appreciation of the life you have, and of our place in the universe, a small blue planet orbiting an average star near the outer rim of an average galaxy full of billions of stars, in a cluster of a handful of other galaxies, surrounded by billions of even more galaxies. That fills me full of wonder and awe.
@emorylevine3619
@emorylevine3619 Месяц назад
Kat, thank you for making this video. Hearing the voices of the exvangelicals and deconstructed is very important. It sounds like you grew up in a prosperity gospel-type church, especially given your reference to Francis Chan. I'm sorry for the emotional baggage you've been yoked with. A proper reading of the Bible would yield the result that humans, being ALL created in the image of God, are worthy of dignity and respect. My heart grieves the fact that you were led to believe that someone's dignity flows from their faith and dedication to the religious system of Christianity. I'd encourage you to look into Dr. Gavin Ortlund's experience with deconstruction and his thoughts on the matter (it's on RU-vid). The only truly intellectual way of discovering truth is to expose yourself to the best arguments for and agains your presuppositions and beliefs. Along with his other relevant videos, I think you'll find great insight and, like me, realize that your Christian upbringing was not at all what it appeared to be growing up. Thank you again!
@iamnotafraidiwasborntodoth5688
@iamnotafraidiwasborntodoth5688 Месяц назад
May God help you find the True religion - you keep saying "The Church" .... what the heck is that? with 33,000 different Protestant denominations? Did it ever occur to you that there is only one Truth and one Church? And perhaps what you know and learn is actually wrong.
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 Месяц назад
Protestantism has only existed for about 500 years while the Christian Orthodoxy has existed for 2,000 years. Protestantism is considered heterodox.
@kristinehollingsworth8471
@kristinehollingsworth8471 Месяц назад
You. Are. Mentally ill. These guys are wonderful; stop being weird to them.
@iamnotafraidiwasborntodoth5688
@iamnotafraidiwasborntodoth5688 Месяц назад
@@kristinehollingsworth8471 You know why you call people "holy" - because they are whole .... speaking of mental illness LOL sanctity comes from the work sanity - the closer one is to God the more whole they are. .... it is just that simple - of course Protestantism can never accomplish that - it is corrupt man made religion.
@lottylee3635
@lottylee3635 Месяц назад
Which one is the true one, out of genuine curiosity? None of them seem to comport with reaIity
@iamnotafraidiwasborntodoth5688
@iamnotafraidiwasborntodoth5688 Месяц назад
@@lottylee3635 The one that was started by Jesus Christ of course - all the rest are man made.
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley Месяц назад
The Timeless Cosmos is the creator of all things including life.
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley Месяц назад
The Cosmos, which is mostly space, had no beginning and no end. It always was and always will be. Yahweh, the Hebrew Creator of the Cosmos had a beginning when the Hebrew priests, prophets and rabbis/theologians made him up to control the members of the Hebrew tribes.
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley Месяц назад
To the outsider, Yeshua/Jesus is a man made fiction created by disillusioned Jews whose god, Yeshua, was severely damaged by the Romans when they destroyed the Jewish Temple in 70 AD. His replacement, Yeshua/Jesus is born of a virgin as a godman, both as Yahweh in the human form and a wandering messianic, end of the world preacher whose mission was to save mankind from Yahweh's wrath and Satan's snares. By using the names of real people and places and myths and wise sayings from earlier cultures the anonymous writers were able to cobble together the greatest story ever told.
@jamesparson
@jamesparson Месяц назад
0:05 Most forms of Christianity is inherently abusive. Christianity really isn't a singular thing, so each has to be evaluated for how bad it may be.
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 Месяц назад
Different forms of Christianity don't exist. You either know Christ or you don't. If you know him, you know the truth. If you don't, it's just another set of ideas. Pursue the truth, not a philosophy.
@joshuaneal7552
@joshuaneal7552 Месяц назад
@@PETERJOHN101 lolz there are THIRTY THOUSAND denominations, and NONE of them can agree on most things. Stop lying.
@kristinehollingsworth8471
@kristinehollingsworth8471 Месяц назад
Christ! Here u go again! god. Is not. Real.
@lokilawson
@lokilawson Месяц назад
@@kristinehollingsworth8471I agree with you insomuch as I have no evidence to believe that god is real. But I don’t mind hearing this person’s perspective. If they have irrefutable evidence that god is real and that their specific belief in God’s nature is the correct one (as opposed to all the other religions out there), then I would love to see that evidence presented. Let’s see if this person has something like that, and is willing to share it with us all.
@meezivanhoutendijk3591
@meezivanhoutendijk3591 Месяц назад
These darn atheist refuse to acknowledge the touch of his noodly appendage, but that is no problem, as long as they wear condoms. RAmen
@FreeER
@FreeER Месяц назад
So for what it's worth I'd have had the leadin be the start of your relationship comparison rather than the conclusion, at least if you didn't want to turn off anyone who didn't already agree with it. They already have a good reason to know you're talking about God after all. Also that's a very broad definition of idol, I can see the logic leading to it but wow. I always heard it with the golden bull and like statues of virgin mary as examples.
@lokilawson
@lokilawson Месяц назад
Wow, this one was kind of heavy, but in a good way. I see some similarities in my journey compared to Kat's. Although, mine came later in life, about halfway through college. My parents were believers, and it guided some but not all of their actions, but they almost never went to church, and didn't push church on us. But I went often enough with friends that I understood what it was all about. What I didn't understand was all the different tweaks on Christianity that made them think they needed to put a denomination on the name. Like, I get that there would be differences, because people are different, but not so much as to put together an entirely different church. The most disturbing thing to me was the segregation. I understand that people like being around people like themselves in a lot of instances, but shouldn't the worship of God kind of have a more universal tendency? Which is how I came to the more spiritual time in my life in college. It was a church that believed in "making disciples of all nations" as it is noted in the great commission. I went to a mid-week service, and the church looked like life. People of all races and backgrounds, all loving and hugging and talking to each other, calling each other bro and sister. And it claimed to not have a denomination. They studied the bible with me, and showed me what the bible says about how a church should look, and it was clearly modeled after what was written. I fell in love with what I believed God to be about, and this looked like it. But like so many other things, after some years, it became corrupted. It seems like anything that has an anti-questioning clause in it, like religious belief (faith is being certain of what you can't see, after all) is self-corrupting, or maybe more accurately, will be corrupted by people because power, and hanging on to it, is just soooo tempting. The bible is a large and varied work, and you can pretty much find a scripture to support any kind of organization you want in your church, and that is how things went awry. Like Joe, I wondered why God couldn't make everything blatantly clear so that one could discern what his true will is. And this new (to me) church made it clear that other churches, other denominations, were not emphasizing being true disciples. From what I learned about the bible, it seemed like other forms of Christianity weren't actual Christianity. Maybe there were really truly Christians in those churches, but the organizations themselves weren't really the kingdom of God. It made me see all the flaws in traditional Christianity. So, when this church became corrupted, and started alienating some of its own members, myself included, I left, believing that it no longer held to the message I was so enamored by at first. But there was nothing better to go to. It was all corrupted. So I became something of a Christian drifter, believing for a time, but with nowhere to go. So I looked to the bible for answers, and it was there that I figured out that having removed my pre-suppositions, the bible reads a LOT differently than it was being taught. It starts to look a LOT like a self-perpetuating, man-made creation. If you question, you aren't being a good disciple. By putting god first, others second, and yourself not only last, but undeserving of love (but god loves me anyway), it really grabs you and won't let go. I am naturally the sort of person who puts others first anyway, and I naturally feel guilty when I'm doing something I love when I could be doing something that makes someone else happy. I have tons of empathy. Think of how that can rope you in to an organization that emphasizes those traits! I'm still a helper. I prefer to be doing big things that no one else wants to do, that are behind the scenes, and that don't get a lot of recognition, but I find I need a lot of downtime as a result to be able to recharge that battery, as it does take a lot of energy. It's actually the reason I began to be alienated. The church leaders wanted the church to grow, and grow really fast. They became so obsessed with the numbers that everything became about getting new people converted and part of the church. So, they started valuing social skills in fellowship and being that kind of social butterfly over other forms of service. So rather than a behind the scenes person who just wasn't wanting recognition, I became known as one of the "weak" disciples. And weak disciples seek each other out to wallow in their misery together. It was horrible. No one wanted to be around me, because they thought I was weak, and they didn't want to be corrupted by my weakness. How quickly all that brotherly and sisterly love turned into shunning. It was by design, I do believe. The advice that I got from my leaders was to be like the social butterflies. To hang out with them, and die to my old self to be recreated to be what God wanted. That didn't sit well with me, and it neglected a lot of other Christ-like traits that were also needed. I tried it for a while, and felt so completely detached from reality, trying to be an actor every waking hour, that I was quickly descending into depression. Clearly that was not what God wanted, and clearly the church had lost its way, so I left. Even leaving was seen as a betrayal, not only of god, but of all the other church members. All that love they poured into you was thrown on the ground and purposefully stomped on. It didn't take me long to right my ship after that, and to feel grounded again, but no longer having a good example of what a church should be, it definitely felt like drifting on my own. While it took a long time to get to where I am now, I am thankful for the experience, because it opened my eyes to the potential for manipulation that is possible for people like me, whose empathy and desire to be a helper is so strong that I can open myself up to possible abuse.
@RationalDisbelief
@RationalDisbelief Месяц назад
From Kat - Although I grew up in the church, my deconstruction started a bit later as well, I was questioning things in my early 20s, but didn't start actually deconstructing until I was in my late 20s. I totally understand about being a helper, I definitely still am and I do think I am more of an empath than most, and unfortunately, as you said that makes it easy for manipulation. Thank you so much for sharing, I can see the similarities in our stories! I'm glad we could learn from that experience, and I hope our stories can help others that might be feeling the same way!
@RationalDisbelief
@RationalDisbelief Месяц назад
We totally get where you are coming from, usually what we observe in churches, specifically across denominations, is the No True Scotsman fallacy. (This fallacy is when someone defends an assertion by disallowing, by definition, all counterexamples, emphasizing that we are only talking about true examples of whatever population is under consideration.) In essence, they would say you were never a TRUE Christian. This denies your experiences and paints you as part of the out-group instead of having a genuine conversation or presenting their perspective. It's so weird to us that there are so many different denominations of Christianity that believe different things, and they tend to treat their own denomination as the in-group, and other denominations as the out-group, despite supposedly being one body of Christ.
@lokilawson
@lokilawson Месяц назад
You are right about the in and out grouping, and it actually probably explains a lot about how we get so many denominations. Once as a church leader you have declared something to be true, you don’t want your congregation questioning it, because they may start also questioning the whole message, so you have to double down and say you are right and other denominations are wrong. “Sticky” human institutions tend to have that out group threat built in. If there’s no one to vilify, it’s hard to set up the fear and zeal that keeps butts in seats. Churches need butts in seats to exist, because it takes money to maintain a building and a pastor. Clearly a religion that has existed for thousands of years is going to have a LOT of defense mechanisms built in, otherwise it would have faded out a long time ago. It’s so sad to think of all those red rope sections wasted in the false hope of the longer rope that doesn’t exist. Or to see otherwise good and reasonable people abuse others because they think it is the right thing to do.
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 Месяц назад
​@@lokilawson If you don't believe Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, then eternity for you will be darkness forever.
@lokilawson
@lokilawson Месяц назад
@@PETERJOHN101hi, and thank you for addressing me directly after seeing a bit about my story in my comment. I would love to discuss this with you if you have evidence to support your claim. The only thing I would ask is that we both avoid or at least be willing to correct any logical fallacies in the discussion when we accidentally use them and it gets pointed out. Not sure if Joe and Kat would be interested in participating and following such a discussion, but they seem to be quite good at spotting logical fallacies, and could point them out when they see them. If you can present incontrovertible evidence to support your claim, you’ll have me as a believer.
@joshuah4952
@joshuah4952 2 месяца назад
Technically, atheism does have a list of core beliefs. 1. There is currently insufficient evidence to conclude that a god or gods exist. What? I never said it was a particularly long list.
@RationalDisbelief
@RationalDisbelief 2 месяца назад
Oh my goodness, you are completely and utterly right! This shatters our entire worldview... you totally got us there! 🤣
@James-wv3hx
@James-wv3hx 2 месяца назад
If God is All Knowing he shoulda known better before he created people and the Devil if he hates them. Former Episcopalian Priest Alan Watts claimes that Preachers are dangerous and that everybody and EVERYTHING IS God in his lecture - On Being God.
@criticalthinker420
@criticalthinker420 2 месяца назад
Whether you believe in God or not, is based on your definition of the word God. If you simple define God as the sum of all things, who can argue that everything doesn't exist. If you define God as that which formed the Universe, who can deny the Universe was formed. If you define God as the Universe itself, then you just need to prove the Universe exist in order to demonstrate that the God you defined exist.
@mrjesuschrist2u
@mrjesuschrist2u 2 месяца назад
"idk" is an intellectually lazy answer because im not asking what you "know" but what you think happened that caused us to be here. If you knew how it started or that god was real it wouldnt be a belief. Unfortuantely after improvably stacked on improbable a not so common planet around a not so common sun that happens to be in a realtively safe place in a galaxy can we ever start talking about the origins of life. The proper folding of the 1 of the building blocks of life is 10^156 there are only 10^86 atoms in the universe... You would need multiple building blovks at the same time in the hostile environment of early earth. God of the gaps = time of the gaps for atheist except time only hurts their argument because chem degradation.
@classicsciencefictionhorro1665
@classicsciencefictionhorro1665 2 месяца назад
Big bang is a theory. Other explanations of the origin of the universe are hypotheses.
@classicsciencefictionhorro1665
@classicsciencefictionhorro1665 2 месяца назад
Liked and subbed. Carry on. Oh, I spent 21 yrs in the Army. Most chaplains were nice and not like this dude, and did serve a purpose in reassuring scared young soldiers that they'll end up in heaven. Fortunately, the Army never compelled us to go to church.
@RationalDisbelief
@RationalDisbelief 2 месяца назад
Thanks so much for that, and thank you for your service! Good to know not all chaplains were like this guy...
@FreeER
@FreeER 2 месяца назад
Thank you for your willingness to serve the American people. But honestly I can't resist saying that the purpose of the chaplains was... What to convince more people to be willing to die and kill others, on both sides? Yay /s If you can't convince people that their actions and risks are necessary for their family and nation to be safe then maybe they have a right to be scared of death... Obviously things can get more complicated and you can be scared even while being convinced and determined about the necessity but... It just feels like a major abuse of belief to me. I graduated in 2011 and by that point there was already plenty of debate about 9\11 and weapons of mass destruction, let alone the previous wars... So I didn't see the military and government as worthy of my trust and life, even though there clearly does need to be some military to safeguard our nation and people. Again, thank you for your willingness to serve the American people, it is important and can never truly be properly appreciated by those who were not involved or rewarded.
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os 2 месяца назад
@@FreeER Imagine USA without a military. Think about it.
@FreeER
@FreeER 2 месяца назад
@@Sue-xv8os yeah, no Vietnam war, no nuking Japan, no Iraq, no nato ... Not really helping the cause. I mean no world war involvement either. And as I said in the original reply, of course we do need a military. That doesn't mean it hasn't been abused just because we have it though.
@classicsciencefictionhorro1665
@classicsciencefictionhorro1665 2 месяца назад
Only Christians believe everything came from nothing.
@LampreyFilms
@LampreyFilms 2 месяца назад
True Christian faith is being a slave and loving it. Paradise is then endlessly bootlicking their master. It’s disgusting and sad.
@IanM-id8or
@IanM-id8or 2 месяца назад
We did indeed evolve from monkeys. We evolved from old-world monkeys (the kind of monkeys that have no tails). So, yes, we are monkeys. Check out Aron Ra's videos about human evolution
@IanM-id8or
@IanM-id8or 2 месяца назад
Aron Ra also has a very comprehensive collection of videos explaining evolution
@RationalDisbelief
@RationalDisbelief 2 месяца назад
Thanks for that, we agree, Aron has some amazing content!
@IanM-id8or
@IanM-id8or 2 месяца назад
Actually the current hypothesis is that the initial singularity consisted of a false vacuum in a very high energy state collapsed due to quantum fluctuations (which would be extremely pronounced in a false vacuum in a very high energy state), producing all the energy that comprises the matter & energy currently in the universe, as well as the energy required for the initial expansion of the Big Bang. I'm not a scientist myself, but this hypothesis makes a lot of sense to me - certainly a lot more sense than a supernatural being whose existence has never been verified speaking the universe into existence by magic
@IanM-id8or
@IanM-id8or 2 месяца назад
I know of literally no actual cosmologists that claim the universe came from nothing. The only people I know of claiming the universe came from nothing are Creationists. The Big Bang was not an explosion - it was a rapid expansion. And there are a number of plausible hypotheses as to what caused it - it's just kind of hard to verify them due to the fact that we can't actually observe the moment of the Big Bang
@lokilawson
@lokilawson 2 месяца назад
This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine... in an artificially created environment set up for a specific chemical reaction when zinc gets released from the fertilized egg. Sadly, folks like this take advantage of others' unwillingness to dig even a little bit deeper. Man, we've got to start doing better as a society, and stop just appropriating every single thing that appears to agree with our worldview. It isn't just misleading, it makes ya look silly when you fail to see through the nonsense. That is sad. It can even make a good argument seem to look wrong simply because it has now been associated with something that you willingly appropriated into your argument. Thankfully we have critical thinkers to separate out the nonsense and still be able to point out when a point still has validity. In this case though, there was no validity to rescue.
@RationalDisbelief
@RationalDisbelief 2 месяца назад
Dang it, now we have this version of the song stuck in our heads! 🙃
@lokilawson
@lokilawson Месяц назад
More videos, please! You two are addictive!
@RationalDisbelief
@RationalDisbelief Месяц назад
Happy to report that we're currently working on the next one as we speak! Aiming to have it out on Friday, if possible. I feel like you might resonate with this next one!
@NeutroniousTemp
@NeutroniousTemp 2 месяца назад
loaded question=rhetorical question
@lokilawson
@lokilawson 2 месяца назад
Hey, this is good stuff! Wouldn't it be something if everyone valued critical thinking skills and learned to spot logical fallacies? Not that folks wouldn't still use them, but it would likely be more often for humorous effect. Sadly, in my experience, religion suppressed my desire to think critically. Believing something was true because "all scripture is God-breathed" and therefore, "because God said so," encouraged a lot of presupposition on my part. If you presuppose that the bible is true, then all you have to do to prove your case is simply refer back to the bible. But what if it wasn't true? Why should we believe the circular reasoning that all scripture is God-breathed, simply because scripture said so. How do I really know that the bible is God's word? It eventually set me on a journey of rediscovery of the Bible, especially the Old Testament. Funny what happens when you read it without the presupposition. A perfect God must be a logical God. A logical God would be consistent, and therefore his word would be consistent. If the entire scripture was God-breathed, it must all be consistent. Whoa! Imagine my eureka moment when I found my first example where it is not consistent. Finding even one example meant that the statement that "all scripture is God-breathed" was not true. So I kept reading... and then I found another, and another, and another. So... how to know what parts are true and what parts are not? Maybe most of it was true, but not all? So which parts are which, and how do I tell the difference? As I continued to read, I called into question the depiction of God as loving and forgiving, and perfect in his commands. He began to seem pretty brutal in the OT. And just downright cruel. Why would he only reveal himself to the "chosen" people? Why would he make people who would never have had even the slightest chance of hearing about who he really is, if the bible is true? The bible doesn't mention the Americas, Australia, NZ, the Pacific Islands, etc. and yet there were people living there at the times when it was written. If he made them, knowing they would be evil and not accept him, then logically, an omniscient, omnipotent god had to have made created them evil. And then I discovered the discipline of Christian Apologetics. As I read apologetics experts' take on the meaning of scriptures that didn't sound right to me, the more I read, the more I came to the conclusion that they are just trying to explain away all the parts that they don't like (and that I don't either) with hand waving and claims of mistranslation. I mean, if it's God's word, why would he let it get mistranslated? And wow, the god of the bible clearly changes as time goes on. If I read Jesus' words, after having read all the rules listed in the OT, it's like he's having to correct all the nasty parts by refuting them outright. "You have heard it said that... but I tell you that..." Well, I didn't just hear it said, it's in the OT. I mean, this isn't just a factual inconsistency, it's an entire doctrinal inconsistency. So, anyway.... I can't rule out the possibility that there is a god, or that the god described in the bible is that god. But the one described in the bible is inconsistent, and changes on many of the fundamentals of his own commands. So, either that god is fallible, or the stories written about him in the bible are not all factual. He's also not here with me to clarify anything. In fact, I see no evidence of his existence. I also don't see any evidence demonstrating that he doesn't exist. So, the conclusion I came to eventually... I don't know. I can't know in fact, because the existence is unfalsifiable. It is entirely possible that he's just hiding. But that doesn't mean that I have to believe, and so I don't.
@RationalDisbelief
@RationalDisbelief 2 месяца назад
(Don't tell Kat, this is Joe's alt account... 🤫) But in all seriousness, this reflects our experiences as well. Both of us sometimes struggle with how to explain what was going through our minds during our deconstruction and what it's like reading through the bible now, but you hit the nail on the head with this.
@lokilawson
@lokilawson 2 месяца назад
@@RationalDisbelief Wow, I just watched your video on the church that was struck by lightening. When I was going through this, it all felt so unique to me. But clearly I'm not the only one who has wrestled with the same questions, and have arrived at this point. In retrospect (like, from a couple minutes ago), I suppose this is truthfully kinda obvious. It's a pretty rational path to have followed. It only takes a couple questions to hop on to this path.
@stubbyhawk1
@stubbyhawk1 2 месяца назад
I like your approach and the candor and compassion with which you discuss this topic. It can be thorny in the best of circumstances. I wish you the best of luck and will try and let my friends know about your channel so they can check it out and hopefully help you grow. The world could benefit from trying your approach for a change instead of always going on the attack. Take care & Best Wishes. 🎉
@RationalDisbelief
@RationalDisbelief 2 месяца назад
Thank you so much! We appreciate your support, and we completely agree. The world should be a little more empathetic!
@matthallett4126
@matthallett4126 2 месяца назад
This is a good intro for new atheists. The Christian apologist has the understanding of a 10 year old. Your talents are wasted on this guy.
@RationalDisbelief
@RationalDisbelief 2 месяца назад
So glad you think so, that was the intention of the video, to be a good foundational piece to fight some of the misconceptions around atheism.
@danielbungard7223
@danielbungard7223 2 месяца назад
What I call God is what you call the universe. What you call nature is just how God behaves. The universe supports me and gives me everything I need and I trust it to do so because it’s been proven to me that it does. So, I am grateful to the universe (God) for loving me and I know that what I put out is what I get back. The “God” that murdered people in the Old Testament may as well have just been a petty extraterrestrial entity who just wanted power and control. That’s not my God.
@danielbungard7223
@danielbungard7223 2 месяца назад
Btw, thank you for your perspective. Much appreciated.
@RationalDisbelief
@RationalDisbelief 2 месяца назад
@@danielbungard7223 Thank you so much for sharing your perspective as well! We love hearing other people's views on this world we live in.
@terrytibbs5678
@terrytibbs5678 2 месяца назад
Invisible silent imaginary supernatural entities. Now that makes a whole lot of sense. Talking donkeys, giants, a super hero who can walk on water ( physically impossible), come back from the dead ( physically impossible), heal the blind, raise the dead ( again physically impossible) that all makes sense............................NOT. I will grant you - turning water into wine makes A LOT OF SENSE! .You should investigate dying and rising cults and remember that the Jesus myth is one of several examples of a dying and rising cult, all with very similar stories of virgin births ( now that doesn't make a lot of sense) and dying and rising after 3 days. Let's not forget the Angel Gabriel. He told a virgin she was preggers, then zooms off to effectively form Islam ( now that makes no sense at all). Athiesm is a rejection of all of this supernatural nonsense which has ZERO evidence. Faith is also something which makes no sense either. Belief without evidence is no way to conduct yourself .
@Sue-xv8os
@Sue-xv8os 2 месяца назад
So true. High Five.
@RationalDisbelief
@RationalDisbelief 2 месяца назад
I'd subscribe to turning water into wine (without needing a vineyard and to wait forever). Also, total side note, talking donkeys would be a real pain in the ass... - Joe
@douglascutler1037
@douglascutler1037 2 месяца назад
Atheism makes no sense at all because it calls into question obvious miracles like talking donkeys.
@TonyCastle82
@TonyCastle82 2 месяца назад
Yes, it does! What does not make sense is religion. There is no god, there is no heaven. Its the same as having faith in Santa Clause, Zeus, Odin, a dragon, Unicorns etc. its just fantasy people!
@RationalDisbelief
@RationalDisbelief 2 месяца назад
You're right, Atheism does make sense!
@tubenhans6190
@tubenhans6190 2 месяца назад
Referring to this "something out of nothing" argument: I can't understand why it is so hard for theists to wrap their minds about the Big Bang. Scientists have more or less detailed ideas about the first moments after Big Bang. Who cares in what form matter may have existed until the minute before that and during the transition "through" Big Bang? The idea that matter existed in one form or other "in eternity" is not more revolting than that of a non-material entity called "GOD"
@dustcircle
@dustcircle 2 месяца назад
I have little ability to take anyone serious who is wearing their war uniform outside of a war scenario. Cosplay Army chaplain.
@jeremyhahn3612
@jeremyhahn3612 2 месяца назад
Wearing uniform to work is normal. I never saw War and we wore our uniform everyday. I don't think this is a major disqualifier.
@lokilawson
@lokilawson 2 месяца назад
Why is it that atheists are always said to believe that something came from nothing? When we ask where did God come from, we get the answer that he's always been here. Why is it so hard to then believe that we can skip a step and just say that the Universe, in some form, was always here? Also, even if you could prove that there is a god through some sort of logical means, it doesn't mean that that god is your specific god that you describe. The real god (or gods) may not be anything like what your religion describes.
@diogeneslamp8004
@diogeneslamp8004 2 месяца назад
And what did that God make everything out of? Nothing. Literally what _creatio ex nihilo_ means.
@lokilawson
@lokilawson 2 месяца назад
@@diogeneslamp8004 I do see their point on this. Science describes the natural, in other words, things that follow the laws of physics. Something supernatural would be able to violate the laws of physics (hence the term supernatural). If I don't believe in god(s) then it means that I would suggest that the universe came into its present form by natural means. Being created from nothing does not follow the laws of physics, thus making it supernatural. I'd just conclude that reality was never created, that it has always just existed, and has changed form. It is entirely plausible to me that our universe was someone's toy "firecracker" that they set off and then walked away from. Their physical scale, their time scale, their physical laws, everything about their existence may be on an entirely different scale from ours, and our universe's life and death may be occurring in the blink of their eye on their scale. All they may see is a pop of light, without being able to discern the swirling masses in an ever expanding little universe, where our entire existence passes unnoticed in its minute detail. To me, that is just as plausible as believing that some supernatural being created us for his own enjoyment, and that we are meant to worship that being for unending time.
@diogeneslamp8004
@diogeneslamp8004 2 месяца назад
@@lokilawson In another context I noted that a Kardyshev type >3 civilization might have created our universe and we could never know if we can’t explore before the Planck time. They might be a natural product of their universe and not gods as we think of them (particularly modern conceptions of big-G God). It might be Kardyshev 4 alien turtles all the way down, but we may never know. There’s therefore no justification for invoking the supernatural.
@manuelbaez7148
@manuelbaez7148 2 месяца назад
so this guys job is to literally indoctrinate you into his religion & to pray over soldiers that are going to kill & die in the name of Empire, but what was that about consequences
@arner.kornfeil6304
@arner.kornfeil6304 2 месяца назад
After watching this video I was surprised to see that your channel is relatively new and that you don't have anywhere near the amount subscribers you deserve. You really put out some quality content and present your point of view in a calm and collected manner without taking offence or resorting to dishonest arguments. Keep up the great work and I'm sure a lot more people will take notice of your channel. 🙂
@RationalDisbelief
@RationalDisbelief 2 месяца назад
Thanks for the kind words! We really appreciate it💜
@mcollins476
@mcollins476 2 месяца назад
I'm not even going to watch, because I know it will be BS reasons and fallacies... I can make this real easy... I'm an atheist, I don't believe any gods exists because it has never been demonstrated to be true. Can you demonstrate your god is real, here in reality, with empirical evidence, objectively verifiable evidence or a novel testable prediction?
@stubbwinkley4015
@stubbwinkley4015 2 месяца назад
Apparently you did need to watch because this is an atheist channel lol 😉
@mcollins476
@mcollins476 2 месяца назад
@stubbwinkley4015 oh. My bad. Lots of garbage theist video's comes through my feed. Jumped the gun.
@diogeneslamp8004
@diogeneslamp8004 2 месяца назад
@@mcollins476 Let’s pretend you asked that question of the subject of the video. He doesn’t have an answer, surprise surprise.
@mcollins476
@mcollins476 2 месяца назад
@@diogeneslamp8004 that's no surprise.
@diogeneslamp8004
@diogeneslamp8004 2 месяца назад
@@mcollins476 Indeed it isn’t. Someone at home in a foxhole isn’t really thinking deep philosophical questions.