@@Lotus_awakening I'll probably take a really big break from ranked. One way or other it's still pretty stressful. I do plan to try learning Lidia though
Man, I’m in Fujin going to tournies etc one tricking Victor, it’s a journey getting to this point in mentality, option select and opponent analysis. Eventually…
@@Qrowz the more experience the better at least you’re going out there and trying is all that matters because that’s how you get better at the end of the day
Just started my Tekken journey a couple days ago and I just made it to the green ranks with Victor! Obviously got a long way to go BUT I know so much more now having watched your vids!
Awesome! We need more Victor. Not sure how your setup is but would enjoy hearing your voice while playing.. We can hear your thoughts, frustration etc.. Can help us up our game too.. Just a thought. Love the content.
Feels weird coming back to play after a little break, gonna be checking out Takeda in MK1 and hopefully he will be someone I’d like to make a video on. But as of now Victor gameplay is back much love to you all who have been supporting for this long!
i play victor since release of tekken 8 all i can say is dude got subpar pokes especially the lows while yes d4 have a counter hit version, the rest of d4 is honestly real bad it lacks the traditional crouching state of other d4s like kazuya's that can high crush and for the non high crush d4, victor's is bad like laughably not only it's not high crush it's also -14 on block, like fr? you can argue that victor has the CH version that has 30 damage and oki yea sure but how many times of those d4 actually being a CH for a wet tissue damage d4, victor's bad, that move should be at max -11 on block and -1 on hit
it's also funny because i met with people that said "you can just build up your +frames with moves like wr2 then use d4" bitch if i build up my +s i sure ain't gonna use d4 1+2 is overall the better move after i build my +frames
@@rakunbuncit2324 yeah I do agree Victor to me has always had weak lows, that to me is the worst part of his kit. I think the direction for Victor is centered around his counter hit game/whiff punishing. The stances are like the cherry on top where they want us to use those more but the problem is that Victor is doing something out of the stance that’s super high risk with low reward.
it's an interesting insight, as a vic main i sometimes think his moves and buttons are quite meh, but when you see it d4 has ch db4 has ch 1+2 has ch b2 have ch b4 have ch and many more i might look at victor as a counter hit character now with some utility
@@rakunbuncit2324 yeah B2 and B4 I didn’t talk about as much since I’ve barely used them as I got closer to higher ranks, don’t get me wrong they are still fantastic counter hit tools, just doesn’t do what the others ya know
btw on the wall, after 21 perf22 into iai, you can move back a little for 1, timing your opp if they gonna ukemi so iaid2 can bounce them back to wall to reset the iai pressure 2. better alignment with your opp after iaid2
@@Kai-lp5ej there are two moves that allow you to go into stance first setup you saw at the wall is 21 press forward on the Dpad after you press forward it will put you into perfumer then you press 22 which will then put you in iai stance. The second setup is F41 then you press 1+2 to go into iai stance
Funny how after your last 2 videos I smoothly hit Raijin with only single lost set. Previous attempt put me into huge lose streak and tilt that I dropped down to freaking Flame Ruler. I had a huge problem with overcommitting into offense but idk somehow after few of your advices (especially from previous video) I managed to play way more calmly. Also thanks for wall setup advices, I was often struggling with applying proper pressure there.
@@bruhbruh5725 love to hear stuff like this, a lot of ppl think you need to play high octane with Victor and while he has strong pressure and mixups and he is a high risk low reward character. Top level victors abuse more of his counter hits, whiff punishing, poking game that is when Victor can get super annoying on top of the him having a strong heat game as well. I will always say take it slow with him and abuse your good mids and frustrate your opponent. Chipping away at your opponent will make them over extend and give you a big counter hit where Victor can then get his big damage. It also teaches you better defense and then you’ll be able to really be a force not just with Victor but any character in Tekken.
@@Lotus_awakening yeah I used to mostly watch how Meo Il plays and took a dozen of tricks from him but ultimately I was shooting myself in the foot by often mentally entering the state where I just think "I've gotta do this perfumer mixup, I've gotta do this iai trick asap" instead of following more level-headed neutral engaging. The huge toxicity of playerbase (at least for my region) in blue ranks also didn't really help to keep calm. And I guess before 1.05 powercrush and explusion used to save my ass more often during this flawed approach to Victor.
For this Victor noob playing in low ranks(Tenryu atm) against mashers db4 has been AMAZING. I get at least one ch launch per round. Honestly it feels like cheating 😅
@@danpoe4166 we all start somewhere I was in your position when the game first came out and as I practiced more understanding Victor got easier. Hope you found use from this video. Always trying to get other players better at the game they play so we can all become better Tekken players!!!
I've downloaded the patch only recently and man it's kind of a readjustment ngl. They Some how made it harder to input QCF2 to get the bullet out. It's almost a while Crouching move now, that was my most valuable keepout tool, now it feels like a handicap. How do you play keepout now?
@@mohammedabdallah403 there are other tools to keep your opponent out with Victor, U2 is really good, D3 long range low poke, 3 1+2 is really good for controlling space, F1+2 super far mid but bad on whiff so be careful, DF2 is always been good to control space and keep the opponent from coming in, DB4 is a unsafe low but high crushes and provides you a lot of counter play when someone throws out a high. If you want better explanation check out the last video I did where I go over victors best buttons to use and my personal gameplan with him now
it will come, I just have not had the urge to play Ranked since I have been focusing on other things for content. You will see Victor gameplay very soon though I promise.
One thing I forgot to mention is during the section where I talk about the WR2 setup, it isn’t the easiest thing to do, the WR2 is tight and if you do not get it immediately practice because once you get the timing down it will beat any mash on wake-up.
Thank you so much for this dude, I've been using all the new optimal routes but I haven't seen or used the WR2 Oki. This is excellent thank you. Everyone mashes on wake up online
@@sean5048 glad you enjoyed it, like I did mention the WR2 setup is a tight link to get to work but with practice you can get it. I still mess it up from time to time but when it works it makes your opponent think twice to mashing on wake up. DB4 as well will beat mashing if someone wakeups with a high DB4 will crush it leading to another counter hit combo
@@Lotus_awakening I used stick since the beginning of getting into fighting games, so about 15 years. I transitioned to lever less and got my brother too about a year ago. I play a lot so the adjustment was fast, I don't think I'll ever go back to stick for anything except MVC. I love it for Tekken.
Everything whiffs with the smallest of side movement by the opponent. If you play a more reserved victor its super hard. Everyone at raijin and above people are ready for his gimmicks. Unga bunga victor not so bad. But i hate that style.
@@Lotus_awakening yezzziiirr cuz this insight gave me a bit more clarity on what ive been doing with u1 and d2 already, really like the use case of uf2
Very interesting video, I just started learning him last week (taking a break from Kazuya) and he’s blast!! This was very good insight. I’ll be checking out the rest of our content
@@You_Rage_Quit Victor is far from being honest still lmao but, yeah your comment is not original everyone says this regarding any character. Add to the conversation or stop writing comments like this it doesn’t go anywhere 😂 have a great rest of your day!
@@Gimmie_Da_Loot no problem I’ll probably make another guide for Victor going over some setups and routes for combos that are the best for some scenarios in the future as well
God of Destruction Victor here (got it post-patch). The character is solid but of high intermediate difficulty regarding his optimal game plan, especially at high levels where players know his moves. Some changes you suggested stem from a misunderstanding of how the character functions. He is primarily a counter-hit/spacing/control character, with stance mix-ups being secondary. There are many moves and properties you didn't mention. For example: uf1 is hit-confirmable, making it probably the best 13f safe mid check in the game. b3 1, though not often used by top players, is easily hit-confirmable, resulting in a 45dmg 17f long reach safe mid. f4 1 and 112 are also hit-confirmable. Db4 is meant to be used as a counter-hit tool rather than a low. Forget that it is a low in the first place. Who in their right mind would duck all these mids you throw out as counter-hit attempts? His stances serve as mental stack tools to annoy and provoke button presses rather than to kill. Regarding buffs, he doesn't need his lows buffed as they are not the only way to counter inactivity in this game. His stances and chip damage are strong enough. Buffing his lows would ruin the character's identity for me. Suggested buffs: Give ff2 pushback back and make it -18 so standard long reach punishes work. Change u2 to -9 with 0 pushback for a small counter-hit property like a sideways flip into ff2 (no explosion); currently, the move seems useless with its 19f startup and no reward. Revert the speed and range nerfs on b1+2 power crush, making it -12 on block; it was an excellent whiff punisher pre-patch. Remove the useless df1 extension and make df1 -1 on block. Make uf4 hopick actually go over lows
@@goldman2g547 I agree with some of what you said, while Victor is a pretty good counter hit character/space control character, I don’t think stance mixups are a secondary option for him when they have made it so Victor uses it more ya know, even in the patch notes having stated they wanted to focus more on stances is where they want the character to ultimately go. Victors chip is really good I agree with that. The moves and properties you’ve mentioned i have talked about in like comments and such except for B31. Not a fan of it like most top players aren’t but it is super good. With Victor being a very linear character I feel he is suffering a lot especially with the nerfs to recent moves they did in the last patch. Regarding your suggested buffs FF2 is fine, it’s only used imo to whiff punish from longer ranges, U2 is already a safe homing mid that has ridiculous Range I feel needs no changes, b1+2 I feel should stay the same because the speed on it prior was pretty nuts and making -12 wouldn’t be a bad thing the problem would be how fast it’s coming still, DF1 extension is pretty useless I agree with that and making it -1 wouldn’t be bad at all, the last change UF4 going over lows I have never had a problem with it from my playing when someone throws out a low it always crushes lows for me idk maybe you’ve had a bad experience where it has got beat at times and if so that is super weird. Ofc no hate to what wrote here, this is a fun conversation to have and get a different perspective from two different Victor players!!! Quick edit here I forgot to mention his lows, for me personally I don’t see it ruining the identity of the character as I feel victor does not have a threatening low poking game like some others do, we have other characters going around having a way better counter hit game on top of fantastic lows when Victor just doesn’t have that, to me it makes no sense why some characters can have amazing lows, fantastic counter hit game, and etc. the damage on his lows D4, D3 are just lack luster and give us no real good low poking tool. Congrats on the god of destruction rank super hard to do especially with how Victor is compared to before. Pros like Arslan ash have even stated they think Victor is super broke still and top 5 where I will never see that, I think the character has fallen off a lot, you have so many ppl playing others now cause they do what Victor does but better. Victor definitely is hovering around top 17-20 imo where do you think he stacks up on tiers?
@@Lotus_awakening happy to have a real conversation, gonna reply one by one I didn't mean to imply that stances are bad and shouldn't be used. The IAI stance is effective when the opponent interacts with it-trying to interrupt with jabs, sidesteps, power crushes, ducks, etc. There are high-reward responses to all these options, as well as movement options, high crush launching low parry, and two cancels. However the pure mid-low mixup itself isn't in Victor's favor, compared to Leo's KNK stance, where the mixup is perfectly aligned with a -12 mid launcher and a -12 low poke. To get positive results with IAI, you need to utilize the stance threat as a whole. Getting inside your opponent's head and mentally stacking them is what I really enjoy about it. I think that's good Tekken-where the mixup itself isn't the priority, but catching an attempt to stop it is. I dont find linearity a problem but an upside cuz i actually fell like im playing tekken and my stuff will whiff if im picking wrong timing or not mannually realigning myself. I find tracking on random moves to be the only measurment of characters honesty, yes hwoarang, feng, dragunov are completly honest characters imo as i can step freely against them. unlike jun jin or lee where pokes are almost homing 2 directions ff, running moves and strings clipping you 70 degrees randomly. Idk about lows but there is something satisfying about winning through timing and punishes rather than relying heavily on mixups, thats why I mained Heihachi in Tekken 7 and Tag 2 i like it this way. Regarding counter-hit game, I believe Victor has a complete kit, with no character having a significantly better counter-hit game. Here checks all the ch moves types boxes: i10 interrupt: ✓ 112 Magic 4: ✓ 3, 1+2 (This string is hit-confirmable and does more non-gray damage than most characters' magic 4s into grounded hit) i13, 30 dmg: ✓ uf1 (luxury) i15 high-damage counter-hit launcher: ✓ 1+2 (luxury) Homing high-damage counter-hit launching high crush: ✓ db4 (luxury) Long-range keepout: ✓ b3 (not the strongest, but comparable to Bryan's 3+4) Homing counter-hit move: ✓ b4 Good on-block mid: ✓ d2 (not a counter-hit tool, but heat engage is decent. Though I wish it was a counter-hit launcher instead of heat) Counter-hit launching while running move: ✓ I could compare Victor to other counter-hit characters like Bryan, Paul, and Steve, in generall they lack some of the tools listed above but have 1-2 that stand out. Tier-list wise, I would place Victor just outside the top 10. This might be a biased opinion since I haven't played other characters as much in Tekken 8, and I haven't played much 8 overall (400 hours) as i didnt like it pre 1.05. However, I don't feel like I'm playing a weak character, just one that is very stiff and not all-around, like Kazuya. Strengths: High reward checks and defensive options. Versatile and damaging counterhits, despite not having the highest coverage. Among the best block/whiff punishment. Very high combo damage. The heat burst -> f4,2 -> IAI D2 wall combo is fucked up. Strong approach options. Powerful stance offense with no consistent counterplay. Strong heat system. Cool both gameplay-wise and visually. Weaknesses: Non-existent low pokes. No sticky neutral, low-risk offense. Bad tracking. Lives and dies by his stuff (high risk high reward, kinda limited options). I was genuinely surprised they designed him this way, as his playstyle post-nerfs feels more like Tekken 7 character. wanna hear if I managed to change your opinion about him
@@goldman2g547 I want to preference beforehand that my opinion obviously will differ from yours due to me not being very verse in Tekken. I am predominantly a NRS player that just started playing Tekken 8 seriously like I wanted to get better at it since I never did prior, so my knowledge is not as good as I would say as yourself in this franchise so I’m just carrying over what I know from FG in general and trying to apply to Tekken as well. I do think Victor is strong in a lot of ways especially from the ones you listed, and we have a good idea on weaknesses as well as I do agree with that, I Mained Lee in Tekken 7 I never was great at it then played him in Tekken 8 and haven’t really spent enough time with him so I learned Victor, I agree that I think before the nerfs Victor felt more like a Tekken 7 character. The other counter hit characters you named are strong I would toss Lee in there as well because Lee is a super defensive character that does hurt you the most when it comes to his punishment game and counter hits as well. Since I’ve hit Tekken king with Victor I’ve been venturing to other characters in the game to see what else is out there because I feel as the game is progressing Victor imo is going to drop off some more, I’ve been playing Jin recently and to me it’s a night and day difference where you have a character in Jin who barely has any weaknesses to his game, strong lows, great punishes, damage, wall carry, you don’t need to take a risk with him when it comes to anything, you can just play Tekken with him and that to me where I think Victor is falling a bit, like you said here lives or dies by his stuff high risk high reward. You have Jin who is low risk very high reward, while playing Jin I’ve been having a easier time I will say with just establishing a game plan that just works and that’s my problem with Victor because the nerfs that he’s received while they were granted have moved him in my eyes where he has a lot of gaps in his gameplay as opposed to a lot of the top characters in the game. I think victors heat smash is pretty bad and you rarely see anyone use it. The nerfs to Victor making him more side steppable are kinda of crazy to me because you have to e top 5 who have received nerfs as well but not to the point where it changes the gameplay of a character drastically, drag for example got nerfed hard right? But at CEO he won it and his nerfs don’t seem like they have changed much, while Victor has still been seen in top level play it’s only 1-2 players that we consistently seen place well. You’re making change my opinion on Victor slightly I will say. I don’t think to me though he is just outside of the top 10, I would maybe come down to around top 15-17 imo. I just think he’s weaknesses are so bad compared to a lot of the cast, when I look at a character strengths and weaknesses obviously play a part in placing on tier lists but I always take into account tournament placings and how much we are seeing and so far AO and Farzeen are the only two to have decent success with him but they can only take Victor so far, Victor doesn’t particularly struggle against the top 5 but those MUs for him imo aren’t the easiest, this conversation though has made me think of different things for Victor to lab more and understand I will say. You have adjusted my opinion a bit more and hopefully you can see my views on it as well. Obviously we still believe what we want cause it’s opinion based but you have shed more light on it for me, and I greatly appreciate that. I do think when you explore more characters in Tekken 8 I think you’ll see a lot more of what I’m saying like when I talked about playing a character like Jin, it just feels like a breathe of fresh air especially coming from Victor who lives or dies by what he does. Edit here, Last thing I wanted to say was thank you for being so cool in the comments and having a genuine conversation about a character it’s stuff like this that makes me love talking about FG with others especially when they have a lot of knowledge on it as well!
I really just sat here for 9 minutes and 45 seconds wondering why your Vic looks so ....different....Then i was like OH YEAH HE HAS A BEARD smdh. anyway ty for this- i def dont use ^2 enough
@@Kammithekiller clean shaving Victor can really make you think he’s a different person 😂, glad you were able to find something of use from this video!
@@FreakinTheComments lmaoo you can but take it like this I watch top pros in any fighting game I play. While I don’t copy their play style I take what they show me and I apply it to how I would play. Same is applied here, take what I say and show and look at my gameplay as well and apply to your gameplay but play it like how you would so it feels like your own style ya know. Aye if you have one brain cell that’s more then what king players have 😂😂
0:44 One of the things I'm trying to be more mindful of is NOT doing stance moves/attacks when the opponent is in rage art. I've been getting blown up when in stance or doing a stance move when the opponent has rage art available. I try to instead do some level of poking. Sharp opponents throw out that rage art in those situations and gets me angry at myself. The finish to that round was epic with that slo motion!
@@chucklos391 yeah I usually cancel out of stance to bait it cause sometimes ppl miss the window to punish it right away it was just that time I made a bad read on it. I always have to pay attention cause even in ranks like Tekken king you get ppl who throw out the rage art a lot
I realized in the outro I said the video will be posted today twice 😭 don’t mind that I was just a little tired towards the end of it lmao. Enjoy the video as always, it’s super fun doing these!!!
