Great video mate lot of good stories behind alot of them 👍🏻

What a stupid comparison with the blue one. You are comparing a model from the 1970s with the latest version. Thats like comparing a 70s car with a modern one. Pointless.

Very nice video

I'll tell you what, that's quite a collection! Like I've said before, I'd live to get ta rake of fgw or hornby railways gwr coaches and hsts, the purple and the green look so nice! Great video as always mate :)

Here in Canada the prices are absurd as well. Even the used market is expensive here. In a lot of cases for me its worth it to buy brand new because people are asking MSRP for a 20 year old locomotive and won't budge on price.

I’ve got a rake of 8 of these in the British Steel livery and totally agree with your rating. Delicate and prone to small bits falling off, but beautiful models and about half the price of the Bachmann BBAs. I’ve glued the telescopic lids on with PVA (so I could undo this if I wanted) which makes them feel much more robust and allows you to pick them up using the lids, which avoids the risk pf breaking small separately fitted parts. I love them!

Those are quite the wagons! I believe this is what all wagons should be like, this quality at the least, and the price is great considering what you get - great video mate, very informative and I may have to get some!

Great video as ever matey - theres no way to ever tell how good quality a model is going to be even from the same manufacturer - bit of a sorry situation when you think about it.on a side note, I think you are quite local to me coud you recommend any MR clubs in south yorkshire? Cheers Shaun

I think you wasted a lot of the video at the start. If you're using a Hornby controller, have you tried another brand, as it may solve the humming noise and may work better & smoother.

Like these wagons but have stayed clear of these as I feel they are vastly overpriced for what they are. Cavalex do some similar steel carrier wagons BBA and BLA some with coil cradles and IMO are much better. I purchased some of these when they where on offer. I went for the weathered versions which look superb. If I recall, the underframes on the Cavalex models are all metal. They don't have the loads but look great anyway without.

It’s good they add extra detail on the underside, but I’d rather they made the flat bed from die-cast and not put details where no one will see them. Or am I being a sad nit picker? 😂

It's all very well putting up prices 10% but unless everybodys salary/wages go up 10% it won't work. I'm a pensioner, my pension hasn't gone up 10% anymore than most of the working population (unless you are an MP!). I'm at the point of giving up railway modelling completely, even decent secondhand models are beyond my reach these days.

The availability of secondhand stock has got poorer over the years, even though older locos are likely to die a mechanical death weeks after purchase whilst brand new will last an average of three before spluttering out. I've moved to dioramas instead.

Hornby are killing their own market. I long ago gave up buying anything new. I see them going out of business, and their venture into TT will have the same effect as their venture into TT3 years ago. They have no future.

eBay is where I got most of my American PRR models. That and if I wanted anything new, it now has to be DCC ready so I can out in my preferred DCC/Sound setup into my models at a later date. I have some models I got that are new, but have not taken out of the box yet since they are lower on the priority pole of things I want to get done or certain models I am aiming for. Also, buying older models you can add more details on later is not a bad route either. Yeah, I get it can be a skill you need to learn first, but you will spend less to more or less make what you want work. Which areas or railroads you want to model can help you gauge where your money goes towards and how much you may spend. If you model anything or everything, then the amount of money you may spend is near infinite. Sticking to a road name or era can be a limiting factor for yourself of how much you spend. If you want a large variety of equipment, but want to be era specific, then research the railroads first before jumping into that road buying models. All in all, there are lots of alternatives to dodge the new model prices. Either do it yourself with an older model by kit bashing, or setting limits on what you can work with and join a club locally, if there is one locally.

Affordable models? they haven't been affordable to me for a few years or for a lot of others, the way they make these models now is a hole lot simpler than it was 20 odd years ago with laser three D printers cad programs etc etc they are ripping us off and probable awarding there selves high bonusses and wages I don't believe them for one minuet i look to ACCURASCALE and i have bought a couple direct from them at a much lower price than Hornbys well over priced models.

Lovely view of your hands when holding loco near camera so not able to see what you are describing.

Welcome to one of the signs of the recession. No it ain't the end of affordable models. They'll be back. As for now, I suggest that y'all look into what's happening logistically that may be affecting prices. Hint: ships now go around two land-masses that prior were bi-passed.

Personally speaking, it depends what you want. In terms of new rtr I'm afraid the answer - so far as I am concerned - is 'yes, it is the end.' I'd like a Brighton K3, a T3 and possibly a Wainwright D - all lovely engines, but at £200.00 or so a piece, that is way, way more than I feel able to pay. The Bachmann narrow gauge models, priced at £2.00 a millimetre are even more so. Answer? Second hand, yes, or alternatively build your own, using cheap proprietary mechanisms and home built bodies. Its fun, ensures that you have exactly the model you want, and above all else, have the satisfaction of achieving something which probably is unique to you.

If you worked in retail you will know that you cannot have 2 tier pricing for old and new stock especially if it is bar-coded on a stock system. Once a price has been set by H then that gets cascaded down to everything on that SKU. I worked in a Model Shop and these price increases were a pain in the hole as everything had to be relabelled with the new price.

And they wonder why they ain't selling stuff. Most people have too much stock these days, I will stick to 2nd hand.

It is hard to feel sorry for hornby though. All through the lockdown they where blowing there trumpet at the there record sales and income. Then instead of trying to covert all them new users in to long term ones, they spend a ton of budget on getting TT out. So now you are adding more confusion to beginners on top of dcc. Then, in what seems like a move of spite, they start getting stuff out the door in the scale before other makers that announced a loco until they gave up, leaving it all to hornby. That being said, they have been the main gateway in to the hobby for decades, so if they keel over it will be dreadful for every one of us.

yes the hobby is pricing my husband out of it ,

The hobby has always been costly but whats making it so expensive is that wages since 2010 have been stagnant & not kept pace with the rising costs, if wages had kept pace then the models wouldnt be to expensive. In the late 90's early 2000's seduced by the massive grants from the Chinese authorities British industry started to outsource production, & it seemed like the dream of cheap labour, good profit margins would last forever, but the games changing, its generally noted that a faustian pact of de-industrialisation to move to China but in return everything for the raw materials etc to be traded in US dollars so as to keep US banks in very healthy profits was signed , very much as to today where the likes of Paypal, etc all via the transaction fees keep the money rolling into the US tech giants cloud platforms / banks & subsequently Hornby & many others are now victims of this. one of the sources of current US-China tensions is that the Chinese via is Chat GPT/ open AI platform internal electronic fiscal transactions in China are not charged & therefore the US banks are not making any money. So Hornby are now prisoners to all this. they are reliant upon third party vendors to make the models & when the companies costs rise , then Hornby have to cough up wether they like it or not. Then there's the fact that Hornby is a top heavy outfit, big offices / warehouse space to heat & light, let alone all its other entities such as Scalextric, Humbrol, Corgi, Oxford & its international brands. Its 00 range now being bitten into by the new entrants , Bachmann have got their mojo back . The new TT120 range is starting to get a foothold & its needing continual investment in models to develop the range & it wont be long before Hornbys monopoly on it is broken by others. The empire building of the early 2000's has come back to bite, lots of hungry mouths to feed & a indebted company with a sizeable structural debt. Hornby has been surviving on the back of a lot of goodwill form its creditors, nobody wants to see the famous old name go under. Affordable models will always exist , for as long as the old Lima ,mainline , Airfix & Hornby Margate gear is available to buy secondhand. The hobby has been seduced by the super detail , removing the need for actual railway modelling & yes its great that average Joe now only has to build a layout & just buy in these super detail models , all the plonk & play buildings, so much is now off the peg & thats allowed so many to get a great looking set up , the advent of DCC / sound etc allowing modellers a new facet. the newer entrants to the hobby who demand all the features & mod cons are now wholly reliant upon the manufacturers to keep producing ever more sophisticated products ,limited runs of a particular loco because even changing the numbers / ordering nameplates etc cannot be countenanced & therefore they are hostages to the ever increasing prices. Since 2020 Hornby have been cutting costs on models , you can see it with the way models are moulded in the bulk livery colour & no extra coats of paint , the light bleed on models, the cast metal wheels & then add in the price rises with a very much hit & miss approach to models as to the build / design quality & you see why people are getting fed up. The leaner / keener new entrants with their low overhead business models further exacerbating the issues , making Hornby look expensive & outdated - not worth their money. The HST power cars being a particular case point of modellers feeling shortchanged. I voted with my feet long ago, in the 24 years since i last bought a new Hornby loco , ive added 9 mk3 coaches & 8 Drax wagons. they make nothing that i cant live without, the benefits of being a old school railway modeller have been tenfold, especially in todays climate , so over the past 4 years its been back to buying in the cheap Lima locos , Airfix & Margate Hornby coaches to repaint . detail up, 3d print kits of dmus/emus & wagons , Bratchells & cambrian emu & wagon kits , its like 1980's / 90''s modelling never went away & to be honest its been great to get back into it , rekindled my love affair with Lima , i have the odd bit of extravagence now & again when something of note / use is made buts becoming a once a year event to buy a new tool model & thats of stuff that Lima didnt make like the class 68/70 & mk5 coaches. You have to have a ruthless purchasing policy , the days of buying everything & anything are long gone. To be honest given what ive seen with the mk3 coaches & Drax wagons i have little confidence in Hornbys models. There seem to be a huge chasm opening up in the hobby , a ever growing underground market for budget gear versus the dream sold by youtube / making tracks & the model railway press while a few thousand hi end models may sell like hot cakes , the glass cabinets & stock rooms full of models at the retailers says otherwise with plenty of models, the recent discounting by Rails /TMC tells its own story. Its been a tricky year for the hobby & Hornbys price increase seems to have put a dent into the confidence that was starting to return after the Hattons & Warley announcements. Are Horby on borrowed time , i think they are , even the brand loyal diehards are starting to lose confidence & thats a worrying sign. Losing my business isnt going to bankrupt them , but when the diehards & fans turn then it spells trouble.

3d printer go brrrr

Sadly I stopped buying new trains a few years ago, mainly that the prices had become unjustifiably pricy….

I will never buy Hornby again. Over priced for a hit and miss level of quality. Will now stick with my current stable of models - have what I need. R.I.P Hornby.

Aquarium supplies? Sounds a wee bit fishy to me. 😊

no you are not being forced out of the hobby , you are being priced out of keeping up with the joneses paying astronomical prices for cheap chinese shit , yesterday i bought an old margate fowler 2-6-4 tank for 30 quid great condition good runner will bennefit from a service , easy to service , 30 quid , job done

As a former retailer in a different industry, a Christian store offering Bibles, books, music, gifts, &c., passing on price increases on existing stock was a subject much discussed. If an item that was normally stocked has its price increased, when it's sold it's replacement would be sold to us based on the new retail price. Is the choice made to have less money available and reduce the number of items restocked. It's not a simple, uncomplicated subject.

Not going to lie, when i got this set back in 2020, i thought it kind of looks a bit Awkward having only 2 coaches, that's when i Hopped onto Amazon ordered 3 more coaches, so now I've got an R4830 LNER Gresley Passenger Brake coach and 2 more R4827 LNER Gresley passenger coaches...

Second hand market boom in time will burn out as prices rise with new to the point there is little to no price difference between new and used perhaps in some cases that has already happened. The hobby is not attracting enough young people into it to sustain large scale manufacturing once the well heeled customers are gone thats when reality will hit the main manufacturers - no customers. Hornby 's TT scale was a about creating a new market for them to fully control but there was a problem they didn't have the money to develop it why do I say that? The sudden very high price rises in 00 gauge was the giveaway a big gamble that they hoped would pay off it didn't . The mistake was not allowing retailers to sell it at the start only sold though Hornby restricting your customers choice of outlet is never a good idea then the sudden departure of Mr Kholer a sign the idea had gone south. Now Hornby are stuck with it . The final twist is Mike Ashley 10% share in Hornby he's waiting for his chance to buy Hornby but at a rock bottom price.

It’s not actually an across the board 10% rise, in many cases there have been no price rises or 3-5%. The rises have been targeted to ensure the cost to manufacture is reflected in the wholesale and thus RRP. Relative to wages, the hobby is cheaper now than it was when it was arguably one of the biggest hobbies out there. That’s before you have even factored in the transformation in technology and detail in models. Just to put a myth regarding TT:120 to bed, Heljan at no time developed anything more than a 3D image of a OO class 31 with TT coupling on, 10 mins work. TT:120 is a long term investment by Hornby and popularity (12,000 locos, 48,000 rolling stock items sold is proof of that) confirms it has a place alongside all the other scales. Hornby are definitely looking to the future and that’s great for everyone in the Hobby. Good points on living within our means, as a society we do buy a lot of pointless tat, singing wall trout etc 🤣 I have noticed a drop in number of people ‘making’ things, chequebook modelling will always be expensive. As a kid I would get a new loco at Christmas as combined Christmas and Birthday present. So right on sticking to your guns on enjoying the hobby 👍

Far too many 'professional' youtubers focussing on high production quality videos and headlining the latest and 'greatest' products, showing off their huge expensive high tech layouts as if that's the only way one can approach the hobby. It's no wonder many people feel they're excluded, but on the other hand we shouldn't be so stupid as to follow the direction of so-called 'infuencers' who are mainly in it to make more money to spend on their own lifestyles even though they usually appear to be comfortably off already. We need to wise up. There are many dealers of second hand and new old stock models out there selling at more acceptable prices. I haven't bought a brand new loco' in years. I have an embarassingly large collection now and in my humble opinion they're all of good quality and would cost an absolute fortune to acquire today brand new. I'm also not convinced that Hornby are the Bête noire that many like to make them out to be. All of the top manufacturers charge an arm and a leg these days and often therir products aren't up to snuff. It's not just Hornby. Both Bachmann and Heljan have produced some wonderful models on the one hand, and some absolute crap on the other. It's up to the customer to be discerning, and if they do receive a sub standard offering it should be returned immediately. As for super detail, how much of it can you see from 2-3 feet away? We don't all need to see the drivers' boot prints on the footplate or read the pressure gauges in the cab. There may be some obsessive types who do, but I susupect they're in the minority. Most of us would probably be happy with something that looks reasonable and runs nicely. There are various ways to enjoy this wonderful hobby and we can all enjoy it in our own. We don't need a stable full of £300 locomotives or a 30ft long layout with every electronic device known to man. Box rooms, shelves and garages can all make great layout locations depending on your circumstances. Just grab a few bits and pieces and start your journey. There's a lot of helpful information online and plenty of useful books available second hand if necessary. Have a go. You never know how things will work out, but there's lots of fun to be had without bankrupting yourself...

Hornby are not going to recoup 7 million by increasing prices. They need to release more and make enough stock to ensure prolonged sales. I am in the automotive aftermarket. We can source an entire range of product from source for a complicated car parc in weeks. Why can't they produce plastic locos? My forte is inventory management and availability is key to growth. As for people losing their jobs, well in this case that should happen. Any company losing money needs to reshape its costs in order to survive. This isn't cloud cuckoo land, it is the real world of business. Sorry, its horrible, but that is what needs to happen.

Silly prices and reliability across the hobby. I asked myself years ago, 'Do I really 'need' this?' The answer was no then and it still is. I got hooked for a bit...then I got out. Best decision I ever made.

I think a lot of the problem is the models themselves. If you are old enough think back to the 70s and 80s. Hornby churned out thousands of rubbish models. Very low production costs and decent profit. We would all drool over the likes of Fleishman and the like and have to be content with super detailing rubbish like Hornby Hymeks 37s and 47s etc. Steam outline were also poor, tender drive with the mandatory 'wobble'. Overpriced garbage. Airfix and Mainline were no better although they did more detailing. Lima also poor. Crappy pancake motors and dreadful mouldings. Lets fast forward. Todays models increadible. Place a Lima Deltic along side an Accurascale one, unimaginable 30 years ago. The point i am making is todays models are very expensive to develop and produce. Hornby are a low volume producer compared with yesteryear, they are going to struggle I think they will all struggle in the coming years. To fork out the best part of a grand to buy a sound fitted diesel and a rake of coaches isn't affordable for many people. Many youngsters don't do 'trains'. I think the hobby is probably propped up by the 50 plus generation with disposable income. It doesn't fair well for the future of the hobby.

Hornby's prices are ridiculous! Their latest HST is nearly £400 yet it's looking quite dated with awful mould lines around the cab. Even if you say it's £200 for one motorised power car (which is still very expensive) it then means the dummy car is also £200!!! You can buy sound fitted locos for less than that. Another manufacturer is bound to produce a better HST at a more realistic price!

Apart from picking ones nose 👃 all hobbies are for the ritch.

Another area I think Hornby went wrong was their seeming abandonment of Railroad range. New releases are rare, also initially they were still older early.90's toolings or whatever but then they retooled them even n bumped the price up. I mean, just bring them back, not everyone is obsessed with the hyper detail and you can always detail them yourself.

I've just been buying 2nd hand. In the early-mid 2000's I did buy almost only the then new 'Super Detailed' range which was basically the progenitor to modern RTR which in my view hasn't really improved much since. Now though, as the prices have literally 2 and 3-exed since around 2009 ish just no, especially with the quality control lottery.

Hornby have priced myself and others out of the Hornby market . Compare Hornby with Dapol, Accurascal, and to a lesser measure Bachmann prices. I can't help feeling that the introduction of TT hasn't helped their financial wowes. This isn't meant as a dig against those who love TT, its just costly.

I’ve been in the hobby for decades now, then returned around 6 years ago, and noticed a lot of changes in how the hobby works. Around the 80’s, we were limited in what could be purchased ready to run, out of the box that had any detailing, or even dimensionally correct, locos and stock looking more toy like, rather than authentic, so we had to rely on cottage industry manufacturers for extra detailing, chassis’s and wheels for some finesse. That kind of modelling wasn’t cheap, but could be done incrementally, and in one respect, easily done on a budget, unless you bought an etched brass kit from companies such as DJH. What we did build, was skills and patience, and not just rolling stock. What we have now is instant gratification, not a bad thing, I love it myself, and you can buy a finely detailed locomotive, wagon, or coaches straight out of the box, with no, or little need for extra detailing, but, you’re going to have to dig deeper into your pockets.

Nah it's probably just the end of Hornby, which sad but nowadays with how many other manufacturers there are I think we'll be fine

Twenty years ago I survived comfortably on half my current income. Poverty is a real problem in the UK - but these are a luxury item. The prices charged by the clearance "dealers" show how low the actual cost is a tiny proportion of the retail cost of the item. Sound fitted Bachmann for £180 - £210 isn't selling - because of the colour ? The only new function that has impressed me is the uncoupling system that has been released. Sadly not a simple retro fit.... Currently.

Prices do rise. They always have and always will. Hornby, ready to run even, and brand new ready to run at that is not the only way to do the hobby. Tune out of the youtubers that pretty much only show you the latest most expensive fancy models and get back in touch with the reality the vast majority of modellers have always faced of buying second hand, second best, or making it themselves.

Moved to O Gauge and running on a club layout. Can’t afford to build my own layout and managed to get two Dapol O gauge locos from rails for £250. It’s a bit mad when O gauge locos are cheaper than Hornby’s. Just compare the prices of Hornby’s 08 to Dapol’s!

Every time Hornby put up prices Way Above inflation they are cutting off thier nose to spite thier face, and it will only result in Hornby going bust.

It's not a hobby any more .Its a one upmanship game for those old men with deep Pockets. There is a cadre in the Hobby who demand an ncreasingly insane level of what will be totally invisible detail which comes with massive increasing costs . Go to any model rail show and other than kids visiting with parents , it is largely old , well to do, wrong side of 50 who are not hard to spot who are driving this upwards spiral

Interesting video but you looking at your monitor and not the camera for me makes it difficult to watch! Makes me want to walk away. Like when you have a conversation with someone who won’t engage with eye contact and you think feel they are not interested. Nope that’s it got to bail 😮