& to say 21" drivers are only for professional use is just ridiculous. Lots of folks have 21s in their home setups & even in vehicles. Hell, they're making 50"-60"& even 80" drivers now
Jonathan, I really appreciate your discussion with Jaap Pees at Hanze Hifi, as it directly relates to the nature of the H.A.T. variable voltage and frequency clean power supply I received from him a few weeks ago. Might I suggest expanding the narrative a bit so people interested in Jaap's work, Hanze HiFi and the Thorens TD 124 will find it through a routine search? Thanks again. Very informative.
I thought the discussion of human hearing had serious factual flaws, which the engineer chose not to participate in. . first the choice of digital cut off frequencies was a manufacturing decision, not a limitation of scientific understandings, as it was, for whatever reason, presented. more importantly, the discussion of human hearing completely avoided that human hearing is only subjective , that one can only know what one thinks they hear, which may or may not agree with reality. of course considering that human hearing is only subjective, immediately questions the validity of such an extreme design as a sonic necessity and not just an ego stroke. an ego stroke can be a very valid product goal, as it is, for example, with high end wristwatches. the pitchman all of sudden throws in , " double blind testing" in the middle of the conversation, but despite all the references to listening tests, I am left with the impression that no statistical analysis , which is essential to separate normal subjective hearing results from the actual reality of what was heard, was ever used, only what people thought they heard , was referenced as a result of listening tests. no results, after error was mathematically eliminated, as with actual double blind testing , seemed to be part of the conversation. I could go on, but if this is only part one of three parts, I could get a stomach ulcer by part three. I just wanted to learn their approach to the main platter bearing design, the foundation upon which all the fancy other engineering rests.
I was hoping for something more technical, as I came to learn the advantages of the product beyond the cosmetic . right off the bat I get two things I don't need, ultra expensive and mike fremer. this guy sure has a hard on for belt drive tables. he couldn't just end his presentation without the slam. I think belt drive can be especially effective in a cost constrained design, which is what I enjoy.. I have no doubt Fremer could be an excellent friend just from his abilities to tell stories, but I think the subjectiveness of human hearing is a reality he has no use for. one of the first lessons any ethical salesperson will learn is to sell the greater advantages of your product. Saying another product is inferior is basically selling by fear, what a mistake you will make with the competitor's product. which could be true, but a superior product will always be the better choice, and it is not ethical to manipulate a customer's emotions , who ultimately one seeks to serve, by introducing fear into the sales presentation. relative merits are illustrative , saying a competitors product is inferior is putting the sellers judgement above the consumers . when a sales presentation knocks other product, beware. often the product being pitched has problems they seek to avoid , so switch the topic to the mistakes you could make, instead of the advantages available with the best choice.
interesting , a hobby full of high precision motors. while I concede every design has strengths and weaknesses , I think they slight the fundamental problem of noise. A quiet table can always improve the weaknesses, but once you accept noise , you accept a limit on performance. I wonder how this guys life would have ben effected had he done his long ago comparison with a better table than what he happened to have at the time.
Out of curiosity, can someone explain why the TD124 doesn't suffer the same timing effects of a belt drive given that an intermediary belt is spinning the idler wheel?
I had the opposite experience. I had a Gerrard 301 back in the 90's and liked it very much. Then I listened to a Well Tempered Record Player and the WT was, to me, MUCH better than the 301. And the 301 was in top notch condition. Since, someone came up with the idea of using a piece of fishing line instead of a belt and this was even better, to me, and of course dirt cheap. The designer of the WT, W. Firbaugh, spelling?, made some novel improvements in the design of the spindle and tone arm support and balance. I am wondering if either of you have listened to a WT table and your thoughts. Enjoyed the video !
Just found Arooj Aftab through discovery mix in Amazon Music. At 63 most of my musical discovery was exactly how you describe it, and also through fellow musicians' recommendations. But! I must say that I have found a ton of incredible music thanks to algorithms. We are living in different times, I remember seeing Dizzy, Elvin Jones, Pat LeBarbera, Cecil Taylor, Sonny Fortune, Hal Galper with the Brecker Brothers and others at the Rising Sun in Montreal. These are musicians in an intimate environment that no one will ever see again, but am I sad?, not really as now we can enjoy musicians from around the world, including those that don't have a label contract but have the wherewithal to get their music streamed so we can enjoy their music in our own intimate environment. With vinyl coming back in force and online streaming we are actually in an artistic renaissance. Different times.
Great to see. I don't wish to sound disrespectful, but when this genius is no longer with us, who comes behind to fill the void he has left? Knowledge & experience that this gentleman has, isn't acquired over a few years.
Hello! I would like your help if possible. I have been looking for a long time to find the front part of my horn like the one in your video. I have the drive and the horn, the lens is missing with that part where the lens goes and the rear stand. Do you have these parts in your stock to sell, please? I have been searching for some time but without success.
What a great building. I'm angry at those artists from the fifties, tearing down the front and removed all those pre-industrial machines. What a waste and they nearly destroyed the building.
Absolutely Fascinating! Two people with passion sailing against the tide of Normal and creating their own flow to navigate in ways the others can only dream of! I am so looking forward to the next episode! Thank you Jonathan .
I have from day one tried to have the very best audio system I could afford. The system to me is like an instrument for music playback. The better the instrument the better sounding the music and the better the experience.
Direct drive does indeed have a punchy sound. This is my latest creation, the Nebula DD TT. But, also enjoy belt drive.😉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Rfc5xIZnjsI.htmlsi=s1uQM-E1Zy0y8jGL
Jaap is clearly Dutch. I recognise that Iddler drive is more lively. Nevertheless there are a lot of ways that companies try to get the most out of vinyl. I especially like companies who take their view on vinyl to the extreme. Like OMA does, and other some companies do in other ways. Also an LP12 has gone a long way since years ago. What about Rega with their new Naia.
I've owned different idler drive turntables, incl Garrard & Thorens.. In my opinion, Lenco's are the best. Very low status among audiophiles, but extremely good sounding, and very reliable.
Agreed 100%. I’ve owned a 301 grease bearing completely serviced and upgraded and ended up selling and getting a L70. 1/5 of the price and equal or better performance, the L70 had more slam and its engineered in such a clever way I really can’t understand why audiophiles look down on them, in my opinion it’s more about snobbism than sound and performance
@@fermartinezrios7251 I also agree 100%.. My brother is an an audio engineer, and has designed for some of the most well respected audio brands in the world. He also believes Lenco made the best overall idler drives, but weren't as exotic, or exiting looking as other brands.. I always wondered why Jonathan never mentions Lenco, when it's widely known as a top idler drive turntable brand..
Lencos arent as popular because they are a PIA to get the speed correct in North America. I had one traded it in for Thorens because adjusting the speed became exhaustive
It's really great that Jonathan conducts and publishes these kinds of interviews. Two heroes in an amused conversation about their love for audio, especially audio based on analog technology from earlier times. Where else do you encounter that? Fantastic.
Love the look of the system and I bet it sounds just as good as it looks. Good luck in Dubai Jonathan, you’re in the right place we’re people have deep pockets unlike mine.
Awesome vid really enjoyed your discussion I totally agree that watches are art and it's hard to explain the joy that comes from looking at them, so I look forward to future content about them take care and live long and prosper
THIS IS THE WAY FORWARD! Love your work brother. 100% My idea of the gallery and dining events/ listening experiences,,,,,,, I too thought had more relevance than ABC hi-fi inc......
I love the setup. As for the future of high end, it will remain but I think the "art" factor may become more important. Many systems sound good but none look so wonderful as yours. Rare and beautiful is a good place to be. Few get to have it.
