5:15 that's fucking stupid . Ned made mistakes and stuck to his flawed idealogy . All that led him to his death . Each decision was consistent to his character .
Regardless of the idea by itself, it was still badly written within the trajectory of the show. I know this is just your opinion and the idea again by itself is not bad, it was just poorly executed and didn’t make a lick of sense during Season 8 after all the stuff he had done.
The answer is the whytes should've kept marching towards the south whether the Night King was killed or not in this battle. Even the visions of the Whytes during House of the Dragon had absolutely 0 impact or meaning because this entire storyline was SO inconsequential it did not warrant a multigenerational prophecy, a multi-king war over the throne, or anything really to resolve. It took Arya stabbing the Night King in the stomach. Okay. Lol.
@yezenirl6331 There is literally no white savior complex in Game of Thrones, the only reason it looked like that in the show is because they filmed a scene in Morocco. Yes, leftist are always trying to find ways to be offended at things for some reason.
I actually had the same thought But I think John should’ve become the night king and killed Daenerys’s conquering hoard. By ushering a new winter. Sparing the starks
5 years later and I’m still so blown away by how much better this would have been. It’s almost like a head-cannon to me, I can picture it perfectly, it all makes sense. The side character, turned traitor, who got tortured until he was a shell of himself, redeeming himself for the family he betrayed and ultimately being humanity’s savior. Beautiful and so much in line with what GoT set out to be. But no, it ended with a quick time event from a superhuman assassin.
I'm both impressed & not at all impressed by this. You are defending a morally evil & aesthetically reprehensible final season (though honestly season 7 is just as much garbage as season 8). It is true that toxic fandom backlash is something that happens. No one should serious discount that. However, you are most definitely not seriously engaging with people who have been concerned with evaluating GoT the TV show & how it differs from the books & how we need to evaluate the works differently AND how the turn against GoT the tv show by reviewers & general fans had already started with season 7. You conflate narrative, tone, world-structure, & thematic expectations together. I would agree that the Thinkstory alternative is bit a weak but it is somewhat grounded in the text of the tv show at least in terms of how the narrative had been proceeding (particularly in the wretched season 7). But to claim as you do that GoT has been punished for keeping to an artistic vision as you do is simply gross. I don't know if you have ever watched the animes Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) & Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood (2009) but both of these anime are based upon the same manga but they end up adapting the work in very, very different ways. The reason behind this is that the manga was not complete when (2003) started and the (2003) anime finished before the mange was finished. It was only after the manga was complete that the (2009) anime began. In terms of narrative with respect to the beginning of the adaptations there's no correct answer as to which anime as superior--both animes have legitimate claims to be more loyal albeit in different ways, but with respect to both narrative & themes there is no question which adaptation is superior--it is (2009). However, in saying that (2009) is superior as an adaptation of the manga I am most definitely NOT saying that (2009) is the superior anime. Indeed, I personally prefer (2003) which is not only narratively radically different from (2009) but has numerous themes as well as an over all tone that are incompatible with the those of manga/(2009) anime. Likewise we have to judge GoT & its source material as different media. The aesthetic & moral failure of GoT is a failure as a tv show. By the time of season 6--a deeply flawed but still mostly solid/above water season unlike seasons 7 & 8--the differences between books & tv series were so massive that it is no longer fair to use the books as the key to understanding & appreciating let alone critiquing the tv series. I have absolutely zero respect for D&D for what they did with seasons 7 & 8 and this is because they DID NOT try. The claim that they did try is honestly laughable to me. D&D did so much non-book original work that was fantastic--Cersei & Robert's conversation in season 1, Tywin & Arya's scenes in season 2, Olenna & Tywin's scene in season 3, Tyrion & Daenery's scenes in season 5--& for them to produce seasons 7 & 8 which were so much at odds with the narrative, tone, & themes of the previous seasons is why they need to be damned for all time. Again, I appreciate you've tried to defend D&D... but I think you're fundamentally chosen to defend them against weak strawmen rather than against truly thoughtful critics.
But, if the Night King is killed by someone who makes thematic and emotionally-satisfying sense instead of an unrelated girl that the show has been struggling to keep relevant for years because the writers are fanboys, then the sky will fall! Cats and dogs living together!
My favorite character of the whole series even when she fell so awesome love when she went mad I'd stand by her still take over the world dany I always wanted her to win the game of thrones while she's alive game of thrones was awesome when they killed her off I could care less about what happened after that the show ended there for me so mad they did that I'd still be into her even if she was my aunt lol shed always be my queen lol
Well this was just fantastic! I remember getting to the end of the book A Game of Thrones in 1997 and thinking to myself, "o I love her (Dany) so much, but this is going to get Shakespearean or Greek in scope by the end." Thank you for making a video and voicing what I've been thinking for 27 (😳) years. 💜
"Things are only bad when white people do them." That sums up ALL this crap. The "white savior" trope, the "black best friend" trope, and every other crybaby narrative from all wannabe-woke racism police who believe that white people are the default villains of Planet Earth. Anytime white people are involved in ANYTHING, you fragile victim-seekers crawl out from under your rocks to whine about something. We breath oxygen, you b:tch about it. If you hate us so much, then stop immigrating to all our countries and systematically destroying them. And make your own shows and movies with all the "people of color" you want. Leave us the f*ck alone and focus on yourselves for a change.
grThis was refreshingly substantive and insightful, thank you. Your channel is completely underrated. As one of the scores of angry GOT fans that is still resentful at how badly D & D fucked up her story arc, I have been resistant to most of the "it was there all along" B.S. by lesser critics. But you really make some valid points here. Great value add!
OMG you had me at "class consciousness." Just subbed in the first two minutes of running into this video. Broey Deschanel did a really substantive essay about Daenerys as a tragic idealist which is worth watching as well, but in your introduction when you said you were even going to include the *spiritual* critique I knew this was going to have the depth I've been seeking on this topic. How you crammed all that into 13 mins is amazing.
Personally I believe that the wins the characters achieved for episode 6.9-8.3 were just the narrative the writers chose to make the tragic ending hit harder.
Would’ve preferred there being something different than ‘the night king’ I still enjoyed the use in the show. I don’t thing Theon would’ve been satisfying either. Arya was the right choice, and in the original outline, it is Jon, bran and Arya who travel north to defeat the great other. (Maybe not Jon, but Arya is definitely with bran) So when adding the whole god of death and assassin training that Arya goes through, it gives her a very satisfying role in the story. Plot armor is silly in 803, sure.
No need to overanalyze it. Most people saw her as a kick-*ss chick doing her thing. They tell us that when you watch reactions. Plus adding their modern day political views, they overlooked the earlier signs of her actual self. You could see the writing develop more to appease modern views as the seasons went on.
She was truly tragic. She wanted to rule with love but nobody in westeros loved her no matter what she did. Then she lost everything and everyone and this drove her to "if you dont wanna love me then fear me" she acted upon her emotions. And after she died drogon burned the throne to say this throne is the root of all evil and this killed my mother
A lot of these so called "mediocre" and "predictable" fan theories took fans YEARS to come up with by re-reading and carefully analyzing the story. The fact that they were so popular and widely known after so many years of stewing in people's brains doesn't make them mediocre or predictable.
@@mkultra2456 Right, because the nonsensical subversion we got was better? Subverting your expectations isn't inherently bad but if you subvert good ideas with bad ones, you've successfully failed.
@@krissuyx "because the nonsensical subversion we got was better?" I never said that. And LOL "successfully failed." You can't use those two words together.
@@krissuyx Now that you mention it, there were rumours GoT's last couple season were sabotaged. It seems that shows and movies are purposefully ruined these days.
It was terrible to see the cast on a panel and see only Kit Harrington bothered to read the books. They came off as lazy, unintrested, joking away embarrassment for GRR Martin who was there. It showed no consideration for searching for character nuance or devellopment.
why then anakin is "fallen angel" ? why paul is messiah ? why leto 2 is god emperor ? Danny was fine till jealous impotentic men was too jealous of her
"It's the fatal flaw of mortalkind. Take away their free will, and they call you a tyrant. Allow them to indulge it, and they become tyrants." - Raphael in BG3
The throne being destroyed by dragonfire is something I predicted as a kid Bran becomming kid was not Martin confirmed bran becomming king was a plotpoint from him The throne getting molten in the show felt a little out of nowhere as Drogon should've killed jon I wonder after watching this video if the throne will be destroyed in the books.
speaking of the burning of Shereen this is where I no longer called Stannis The mannis .No from that point on he is a villain screw the idea of being complicated , or he had his reasons you don't burn lil girls .
The only problem with the end is that it was a bit rushed and D & D were kind of tired of the job. I guess that in better hands, the Daenerys story arc would have been very satisfying. And I have no hope for the books.
Maybe not only does Power lead to isolation, it also leads to war. But with Bran being the vegetable like that, no war with anger, ego, frustration will come. ( I think so….??)
I think anyone who’s ever been in a really toxic relationship can relate to Jamie’s story a lot. I used to think he was such a dumbass for continuing to go back to his sister because of how obvious it is that she is a shitty person who isn’t good for him, but once you’re in a similar situation, it makes a lot more sense. It’s like you don’t want to accept that you could love someone who isn’t a good person, and you recognize parts of yourself in them and convince yourself that you’re just as bad and they are all you deserve. It’s a trip man, I wish they gave it more time in the show.
