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I have the same car, same color. The PPF my shop used was xpel stealth and it made it shiny, the sparkle really pops now in the sun. I don't love the result, 5/10. This product looks better, but even mine looks matte in garage lighting.
I have a matte car. Is it cheaper to put a contrast color on the roof (black matte) in paint or PPF, or is this possible ? And should the contrast be matte or gloss finish in either paint or PPF ?
which injector (port or direct) can be improved for more umphf? what power levels are the stock injectors capable of? instead of making more power, is it easier to make the car faster by modding other areas of the car (wheels/tires, suspension, driveshaft, etc) vs mucking with the engine tuning? You know, add lightness. 🏁
What baffles me is that if the car is only rated at 228 crank, and all dynos I see registers 203-223 wheel, that puts the car about 250, more or less. Understated, in short. Now, all the top speed figures and videos I see say 140-143 mph. No way! Realistically, at say 250 hp, 0.276 drag coefficient, 5th gear ratio at 1:1, 0.767 at 6th, the car can go near 160 mph. I have a feeling the car is "electronically" limited to about 6,000 rpm at 6th, not drag limited.
when you say 100% stock did you pull the carbon filter out might have more power on the table after warm up with that being said one more time no carbon filter..... please
I'll have to double check later but I believe the rears are 4.5". The front wheels are 20x10 and the rears are 20x11.5 but I don't recall the exact lip details.
What caught me off guard is when he said "we should see slightly more here too" when showing the "corrected figures". I'm no expert but every time I have shown corrected SAE figures the power figures were notably lower vs uncorrected.
RIght, haha. Ultimately every dyno is gonna read a bit different but the overall point of the video is to show that once you get the car up to tempt. The stock tune with stock parts is basically maxxed out. Many sports cars come from the factory with some meat left on the bone for tuning even with stock parts but Subaru squeezed everything out of the engine with the stock tune. On good fuel it doesn't knock much, so thats a good thing. 220+ whp on a 4 cylinder NA car is very good. It's up there with Honda. Several experienced Subaru tuners have played around with timing and fueling on these cars and without adding things like headers etc, they don't make any extra power from tuning. So the claimed power gains I have seen from just tuning on stock parts are not from tuning...they are just from temps increasing.
It's been a while since we have had a customer want to put gloss film on matte paint. But next time we have a dark colored matte car in, maybe we can just put a test piece on to show what it looks like. We've done it in the past and it does work quite well.
ECUs do have the ability to make real time adjustments based on variables like temps etc but Mike had all of the ECU management monitors pulled up and logged to view that behavior in real time and to review afterward and there were no changes to timing or fueling etc between pulls.
Good question and you kind of answered it yourself. Gloss PPF on matte paint will make the car look glossy. So matte PPF is the ideal choice either for protecting paint that is already matte or converting gloss paint to matte. Matte paint with matte PPF will stay matte, matte paint with gloss PPF will look glossy.
On the street that could actually be true...haha. But the temps it made peak power at would be the same on the track even with a cooler. It never got dangerously high.
Good question but no, the point was to compare 100% stock. Also, from what I have seen, the filter likely doesn't actually make any power on an otherwise stock car. Not saying it isn't restrictive to flow at all but without supporting mods, that small restriction is likely irrelevant. Most tests I have seen with before and after of removing the filter are not very valid and also mostly ignore the thing we are pointing out in this video. I.E. The supposed gain may just be due to repeated pulls. I see lots of people do a pull, then rip out the filter, and do another pull and claim that made more power but there is no actual data to show that it wouldn't have done the same thing that happened in this video. Did the car make a few HP from ripping out the filter or just because they did subsequent pulls? That would be a good thing to test. Do a few pulls to hit the highest power possible like we did here....then remove the filter and do the same thing, but COBB can't make a video doing that without getting in trouble for removing a regulated emissions device. So some one else will have to do it.
Here in Australia, we run the recommended 98 octane (no ethanol) fuel, which is our premium. I wonder if it would make any more horsepower or not? Also, I understand the increase in power due to warm thinner fluids etc but why would that change the torque dip for example? I would think warm v cold power/torque graph lines would mirror each other regarding an increase or decrease in power or am I missing something?
It doesn't appear to be knock limited. Mike even played around with timing on a different car with no definite improvements once up to temp. So a different fuel likely wouldn't change the result significantly without mods. Now headers and mid-pipes + higher octane...that would probably gain a decent amount.
This is interesting find about this engine. It likes heat. Normal street driving operating oil temps on this car is 195, after a few pulls it jumps to 220-30 degrees F. What were temps on the 220hp pull?
The temps were the same as what you have seen, in the 220's. Ultimately what this tests has shown most is that on stock parts, the stock tune makes as much power as the car will make dependent on fuel quality. Even since doing this video, I have had other tuners confirm that playing around with timing etc does basically nothing once the car is warm. Now, with mods, we'll see but in stock form, the stock tune will make as much power as possible.
Good question. Yes, you can apply a ceramic coating on top of matte PPF. There are some dedicated coatings for matte cars but honestly we have used both types and the differences is subtle enough that we often prefer to use the same coating with gloss or matte ppf. There can be a slight difference with how light hits the car at certain angles but overall the matte finish doesn't change much even with a coating not specific for matte.
Have done this a month ago on my son’s E60 M5 using Gyeon PPF coating. The result is amazing. PS. First time applying a ceramic coating but thanks to all the youtubers givingh guidance it went smoother than i expected. Key is preparation and follow the instructions of the coating maker. Good luck.
Generally speaking yes, but with a car that doesn't make much power and would be a very long pull, 5th gear (which I believe is the 1:1 on this car) would not be a good idea. So 4th is the better overall option. As long as all pulls are done in the same gear then there no harm on the test.
Fourth gear is standard for 86/BRZ dyno pulls. Every time I've paid attention to anybody's dyno run when they show the gauges they're in fourth gear - even years ago with first-gen FR-S/86/BRZ.
In some cases that's a totally valid idea. That being said, the top coat isn't the only difference between the cheaper and top tier film. But we do quite commonly apply a ceramic coating on top of PPF, even if the PPF has a ceramic type top coat. Especially if it's only a partial install.
Did you map any of the engine and coolant temps during each pull? Would be interesting to understand what counts as "warmed up" vs "hot" to see what's optimal. Thoughts?
I can ask Mike for that info. He was logging all of that. Ultimately we did ensure that the car was up to a full operating temp before any WOT pulls and it never reached dangerous Oil or coolant temps but knowing exactly is of course helpful. I'll reply later if I can get the numbers.
Looks like coolant temps would always start in the 190's for each pull and climb a bit but maintain relatively well. Oil would get into the low 200's but nothing higher than what I have seen on the track. Unfortunately there is not data for trans or diff, not sure those even have sensors to log.
This is actually very interesting behavior. I'm no mechanic, but I've dabbled here and there in the past, and this is interesting, especially for track days, autocross, etc. This video was informative and something I know I will reference to in the future as I'm hopefully working on my BRZ 😅 I also came across another video that explained some of the internal engine changes that were made to the (FA24DB / FA24DG) to fix some of the known issues from the previous gen... Now I'm wondering if those changes are hindering power until the oil reaches a certain Temp/Viscosity 🤔 91 to 93 Octane is a good way of accounting for some of the gains but I don't think it accounts for all gains. It would be cool to see if changing the oil type or viscosity would allow for the power gains to appear in less amount of dyno pulls. Would it be beneficial to run a specific type of oil for track or autocross days that could get you that max stock WHP the fastest. Many interesting questions I hope.
@@professorxavier9991 Thanks. For some bonus info. One thing I probably didn't describe very well is that ultimately the car isn't really making any more power in any of the pulls. It's basically just getting more power to the actual ground as the car warms up and the parasitic loss dereases, and that is generally going to happen with any car. But the big takeaway is that when monitoring timing and fueling and airflow. There are no changes at all and even when Mike did make changes on the other car, once it was warm, it never increased power from the peak stock tune power at higher temps. So at the end of the day, the biggest lesson is that the stock tune on these cars with stock parts, is basically already maxxed out. I've actually talked to 2 other experienced Subaru tuners I know since this video was posted who said the same. They said once the stock tune reaches max power to the wheels, changing the tune with EcuTek doesn't nothing without additional mods. One tuner said he even pulled a degree of timing out and it didn't even lose power. So the Subaru map is quite aggressive right from the factory. So now we know that if I can make any power beyond that once I have mods on the car...we have a better idea what real value the mods have or the tuning changes associated to them.
I wouldn’t have the patience and certainly don’t have the skills to do this, but I could watch this all day. Wish I had put something like this on my car.
Thanks! There is definitely a lot of subtle technique that goes into a quality PPF install. And yeah, it's totally worth it for any car you plan to keep for a while or drive hard.
Thanks! We have done several and they usually turn out great. Best of both worlds. Some people even do a mix of matte and gloss. We had a GT4RS recently do matte on everything except the exposed carbon and the contrast with the carbon weave popped really nicely next to the matte.
Thanks and congrats on getting yours soon! There will definitely be more to come. I already have a giant pile of parts and some big plans for the car. It will have it's own IG as well. @bespoke_brz
Love the craftsman ship on your PPF install. Well done. Can you shed any light on the car? Who/what company built it? Extremely interested in seeing if they might do a similar but different one.
@@bespokepaintprotection1308 Thanks for the reply and the effort, I appreciate it. If you have the owners contact info, you could tell him a fellow '73 owner wants to make mine a resto and I would appreciate the builder info. If the work is done near you I would drive straight to you for PPF. We can communicate off of YT and keep it private if they desire. Thanks again.
Yes Outstanding job! All the sharp angles couldn't believe it was possible. Plus, the build on that firebird was also over the TOP! A real six-digit car.
