@@ThePlughugger Mycket lugn och behaglig röst att lyssna på, som talar tydligt och inte i raketfart eller försöker låta cool hela tiden (som 99,9% av alla andra pluginpratare).
As a kid the future was a cool spacey adventurous place with flying cars and friendly robots. It turned out to be kinda crap. Thank you capitalism for planned obsolescence. I secretly wish Dave Rossum and Roger Linn and some dude from e.g. Pigtronix met up for a beer at Superbooth and cooked up the coolest most intuitive, fun and great sounding sampler ever. They got nothing left to prove as legends, so they could might as well make it future proof. We would never have to buy another annoying neutered thing ever again.
Behringers manuals are really the lowest possible effort. But regarding the Pro VS - I've heard others say the same thing. But I am still curious about it.
That's a very fair review. I really like my unit. But also feel that there were too many cuts. Had it been £79 with more functionality (midi and some effects) then I would probably love it. It's good but could have been better.
Just an fyi, frm the specs of it, this is not an actual clone of the jp per se. Its cloning 1part of the jos 2part set up. The jp is a 2 part synth, so if u wanted to run 2 supersaws u could IF u configure the upper/lower, dual, split layers. EASY. But this is only 1 part, hence the one supersaw... This is how the og jp functioned so berrhinger didn't mislead or lie or omit anything. Theyte selling a single part 4 voice clone, which is not much different to the og setup. The og does have voice allocation for parts where u can set 2 voice for part 1 (upper split) and 6voice for part2 (lower split) *split refers to kb split* Hope that helps clarify it for ya. Nice review & deep dive mate!
@@ThePlughugger my apologies, it's simply the same synth with TRS midi. it's not actually announced yet, just leaked, and doesn't address the very real issues you described.
@@ThePlughugger You win a basic understanding of how a bigger one works. Also, this type of synths and effects are mostly used to do a specific function in a bigger setup or as learning tools.
@@konzekuenze Yes. It's a one-trick pony and I think it does that trick really well. But for a learning tool, no. If I were to teach someone sound design, I would not recommend the JT4000.
I have to argue with you about the lack of a second supersaw. I have a JP8080 and only one oscillator has the supersaw. Then telling you it's a cline of the JP8000 says it all. It's cloned accurately in that respect.
I know and you have a point. But when switching to the Supersaw in the JT - you are actually disabling the second oscillator completely, not being able to use it for even a saw or a square. And if my memory serves me right you could have a supersaw plus a square with the JP.
@@ThePlughugger aaaaahhhh well NOW that makes ALOT more sense & if that's the case then yeah, ur totally right... a supersaw on its own honestly cant do much on its own... In fact it was the subtle use of of Xmod between supersaw & it's 2nd osc shapes (particularly square) which fattened & made the JPs sound so magical... that & it's chorus & bass treble knobs which were VERY different to a standard EQ & I'm still trying to work that out 25yrs later lol (i think they're sharing a range of freq bands tbh) To totally cut off the 2nd osc wen using supersaw is odd though... how are u supposed to xmod ??
@@PedroAnastazi Right! I feel the JT-4000 is a step in the right direction, but too cut down. Maybe Behringer have something bigger planned for the future.
Right, that was my impression as well. I haven't had the time to play with the Pro VS yet, but it looks like the Mini is clearly superior than the Micro.
Great explanation of why you don’t like it. I don’t think you’ve thought much about why you (or someone) might LIKE it though bc I can think of a few scenarios. That would make an interesting video. Here are 2; 1) Someone has limited $ and the price difference between this and the next best thing can’t be overcome so it’s JT or no hardware synth or 2) can be included in a live band setup to add another dimension beyond the usual. In neither case will anyone be concerned about only one oscillator for the supersaw.
I agree that this is an option for people who have very limited funds and if you set it to one preset that you are using all the time, it absolutely can be used in a compact live setup. I don't think it's useless. I just think it's severely crippled and you can almost smell the possible greatness from it. Some people have already replied here that they are pairing it with MPCs and that works really well.
I saw that someone reskinned the Roland MC303. And although i already have one. And have previously owned one, & am aware of their (ahem) shortcomings, i almost bought it. It just made it look amazing. Although it was basically just a big sticker. Getting me to buy something i already own AND No longer use because Ooooh! Shiney! Is soooo dumb. But thats Synths!
Damn. I had put it in the back of my mind for a while but damnit. Well done. Yeah. You sold it my friend. Brilliant. Gas on and order coming. Thanks!!! Stings and buzzes like a beast. Thsnks. Nice accidental find here.
Have you tried editing the Volca FM? Ihaven't, but I doubt this is wise than that. Of course, that's a DX7 engine, which is unnecessarily complex with its multi stage envelopes.
Right - no I haven't used the Volca FM or the Volca Modular. But FM is FM and even full sized keyboards still have problem presenting FM in a usable way. The Reface DX looked interesting though.
@@ThePlughugger yeah, it's a meaningless "exception." I have an opsix, which is ok, but they didn't give near enough thought to the controlling envelopes, which, IMO, was always the real time sink.
@@GeorgeLocke I think I saw some controller years ago when they made it one knob per function for the DX. Of course it was incredibly expensive, but working with DX synthesis and having knobs for everything feels like a complete gamechanger when dealing with FM.
I love this synth, great sounds - I use it in a dawless rig using a usb midi host box, still comes in at under $100. It's so great that hardware synthesis is becoming available for people without a trust fund. In my case, I actually did have only a small space left, and I have all the controls mapped to knobs on my controllers, so its basically a sound bank, rarely need to touch the actual synth.
The small Behringer clone sounds really great and is very cheap. It would be perfect for DAWless setup… if it has midi. And was battery operated. Those two things would make it great. Without it is mediocre. Still sound great but if I have to use it with computer - it competes with plethora of plugins that sounds even better.
I was thinking of making some comparisons with free plugins but I think I already know the answer. There are many really good free plugins that absolutely could compete with the JT. But hardware is hardware and is in a bit of an alternate reality.
@@ThePlughugger I do really dig the sound of this little fellow. Especially, as you said, when paired with effects. I do really like the sound but I struggle to find an use case for it. Perhaps, as you said, the food for sampler is the right way. I am planing to pair with MPC (since it has usb midi) - perhaps this way it would make more sense.
@@artephank Pairing it with an MPC sounds like a perfect thing to do. You could even sample different detunings and layer them in the MPC for really massive sounds!
Have this little synth haven’t more sense ,take a look this Free Emulation about Virus TI2 or others My videod where I do much more Super Saw on other virtual Synthesizers. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--omubz1jdGg.htmlsi=6Sdwqvl5draQSKys
@@ThePlughugger I wish they had made it at least the same size as the Pro VS Mini. Actually, what I dream of is a full on clone, complete with plastic 90s digital filter. Can't be too hard to clone in 2024. I'd like all the features of the original, in desktop module preferably, with sliders too. As long as it has 8 now poly, I will be satisfied, but 16 or 32 now would be better, with dual and split mode a real fantasy! I'd even pay $500-600 for this, I don't want cheap shite to be honest.
I agree. I also have a Virus Polar and I prefer the Supersaw in the JP. Many years ago I made a soundset based on supersaws from lots of different synths, like the Virus, Roland System-1, JP and a bunch of others I can't remember at the moment. It was really interesting to hear the difference, but the JP is one of the better ones.
I have two JP-8080, amazing. I have two Virus Ti2 as well, one rack and one keyboard and I feel the JP sounds better. EDM is Virus Ti by the way. But the JP-8000 really changed it all, as influential as the D-50. And prior that was the JV-1080. I would recommend people to get a JP-8080, I got mines at $450 long ago. You can buy them at $600 realistically, people ant more than that but they won't sell it at those prices.
May I add to what others have said ..... A great video about a GREAT synth that I've also owned since version 1. GForce does some awesome work on their software synths ... I own a number of them and use them all often. The new impOSCar 3 has been a joy to play with since my upgrade a couple of days ago! And thanks for the free soundbanks too Carl!!!
Thanks for saying so. And just to add - I've never been much into the Mellotron, but the GForce Mellotron is incredible fun. I truly hope we will see a Wasp from them in the future.
Thanks for the mention, I thought the polyphonic play on the DT1 already made it a serious sampler and with 16 voices of poly it's even more wild. You can reprogram the RK002 to do all kinds of different stuff though, the Digitakt has always been a good source to play with sequenced controllers and clock signals on the RK002
Thanks for chiming in! You make really thought out products and I've been close to pull the trigger on your pocket calculator sequencer. What a fantastic design!
I was a little too young for the OSCAR, but I fell in love with impOSCAR from the first time I heard it (I bought my first synth in 1984). impOSCAR'S harmonic filters are so badass. Thanks
Thanks! It's actually a technique that works pretty well. Rather than having ideas about what to do next, just listen and wait. New ideas often unfold themselves in surprising ways.
Great video. Hi im a producer and a mixer. As a mixer i produced too much in a mix of clients. Some did like it some didn't. With the ones who didn't I learned to know the difference. Now i present some production ideas later on when the mix is almost done. As a producer/beatmaker i was way too busy mixing the beat before there was even a good idea. I had a beatblock for a long time because of this.. There i also found a way by, for instance shaping a kick not longer then 5 minutes and spend waaaay more time choosing the kick itself. The trick is to set boundaries and be well aware of which hat you have on at what moment. I think you should take the time to define what process of of doing music belongs to what hat you wearing for yourself. So like you said in this video
Thanks for taking the time to write your experience. Yes, I absolutely agree that setting a time like 5 minutes, is a great way to quickly minimize wasting time.
That should be exactly the mindset! To be creative and critical at the same time is not a good combination. In my mind a recall at least 3 big legend artists that would have that 2 distinct phases somehow: Vangelis, Queen, ABBA…
@@ThePlughugger John Cleese from Monty Python has extensively investigated the creativity side of humans and he has really great ideas on it. He also defines one stage AFTER creativity, that is where the criticism enters, before it is not allowed 😉
I have just upgraded from impOSCar 2 to 3 and I am first of all happy to have a finally streamlined and immediate graphical interface. I find the new features very interesting, especially the wavetable one, which allows you to further manipulate sounds, creating sometimes really bizarre solutions. What can I say? For me always the number 1 synth in my collection.
To answer your final question: I stopped using as many plugins as I could and began to rely on hardware. I am making the move to Linux, learning to build my own midi controllers and fx units. I have a MacBook with Logic Pro, Word, and Illustrator, and that’s only for pro work when I need to collaborate with others. I only have the Melda production suite installed but even that is getting less use over time as I constantly look for hardware or custom made alternatives. I like building my own stuff and I like knowing that if something breaks, I’ll fix it. On my new Linux machine I’m only going to have Bitwig and native clap plugins - no WINE style bridging or VSTs. My BIG question is what do I do with all my old project files of unused songs? I tried to systematically go through and save them all but a necessary computer reset meant that now 100s of those files are totally dead due to incompatible software. So now I think I’m just going to go full scorched earth. I probably had some amazing songs in there but the effort required to make sure they will always work is too much for me. I’m learning to commit to audio much sooner. Hope this can help someone in my position (:
I've always found that ideas is one of the last things I have to worry about. The bigger problem is rather to create an environment where you effectively can catch ideas, save them and then make something with them.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how nasty and beautiful that Behringer WASP was? They just crush it, every time, and give you a real appreciation for the real machines. In this case, the Oscar is out of most people’s reach not to mention we are supporting one of the oldest plugin devs EVER, and they are STILL crushing it. Cracked all their stuff as a kid (like everyone else did) but it feels good to be an adult now and to actually be able to support them while sifting through presets sipping a neat whiskey. 😉 AWESOME review! Subbed! 👍
Imposcar 1 was actually the first soft synth I bought. Yeah - I can't do anything else but nod in agreement. The Wasp is absolutely insane. I really hope GForce will make a software version of it. If anyone would be able to nail the sound it would be them.
Hello, nice review on this fantastic vst. I try to download you free presets and doesn't work. Your link for this is on http not https. All protection kill your folder and it's impossible to add on imposcar3 ( i try a lot !) Is it possible to fix it ? Cheers Seb
I think the only thing that really bothers me with the new version is that I made a bank with the old v1 and there is no easy way to quickly import it to v3. But then again. There is quite a few presets in the new version.
