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Avenger 2.0 Review - The Last Synth You'll Ever Need? 

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This is a review of Avenger 2.0, the software synthesizer by Vengeance.
Review by Carl Lofgren for Plughugger (www.plughugger.com).
Chapters
0:00 Hi Guys
0:28 Introduction
2:27 Structure
3:23 West Coast w/Shapers
4:02 Drum Sequencer
5:31 Layering
5:56 Simple FM
6:45 Granular Engine
7:36 Not Analog Enough?
8:16 V2 - Spectral
9:07 V2 - FFT
10:05 V2 - Ratchet ARP
10:58 V2 - Drum Browser
11:07 V2 - Shimmer Reverb
12:19 V2 - Quantum Delay
13:54 V2 - 60FPS Interface
14:36 V2 - Audio Previews
15:04 V2 - Spectral Piano
15:46 No aftertouch?
16:23 What I Like
16:54 Last Synth You Need?
17:19 What I Don't Like
19:17 Too Complex Presets?
20:00 Should you buy it?
21:46 Final Thoughts

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Комментарии : 78   
@lukather1
@lukather1 7 месяцев назад
Wow !!! Just wow - the very best review I’ve watched by far !! I have Ver 1 and been wondering what all the sponsored hyped up reviews Where saying is true !! I’ve tried Diva and presets and didn’t get it as I’m not a sound designer but I’m going to have a look!! Great review! ❤❤❤
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for saying that. It means a lot. I can understand the hype - because parts of Avenger really blew me away. But the Last Synth Ever? Nah not even close...and to be honest, who would want that? New synths are so much fun :)
@JulianJoppig
@JulianJoppig 7 месяцев назад
Awesome review, thank Ju 🙏
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Julian! Great seeing you here!
@DjangoZa
@DjangoZa 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for focusing on the sound design! I heard a lot of demos playing cheesy "song in a box" presets that didn't interest me, but the filters and FX caught my ears. I'm tempted to try it with rent to own for a month and see if it wins me over.
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
The effects are awesome. I actually like the cheesy song ideas sequences. They are of course useless when making music, but when playing around with styles and ideas it's quite interesting. But yeah... Band-in-a-Box comes to mind :)
@1soundart
@1soundart 7 месяцев назад
You can modify the presets to a degree. I have had many VST plug ins over the years. This synth is perfect for sound design, the presets are just a bonus. For sure well worth checking out!
@danwentz
@danwentz 7 месяцев назад
This looks like Serum and Falcon had a child... will check it out - @8:30 was pretty cool!
@Padopoulosman
@Padopoulosman 7 месяцев назад
Just discovered this channel I subbed👍
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for subbing
@ViRiXDreamcore
@ViRiXDreamcore 7 месяцев назад
If it doesn’t Do analogue great, then it’s NOT the last synth I’ll evef need. This is a good review, nice work!😊
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
I completely agree.
@ItsWesSmithYo
@ItsWesSmithYo 7 месяцев назад
I love the first one…not surprised about the bold statement…hadn’t used it in a bit, great to see what’s up, might spin its wheels again in 2024 🫶🖤🐓😎
@moonmonkey303
@moonmonkey303 7 месяцев назад
ooh thanks for the review! I have all the main soft synths in the market, including all the ones you listed and love many of them in different ways, yet i still picked up Avenger and I have already found a place for it. Early days but... I love it as a sample looper, sample editor and its spectral tools. I love its arp (which can send out midi) and step sequencer, both super powerful. I love the huge amount of presets built into all its excellent FX meaning you can explore and mangle sound very easily. Agree with your points generally. I really don't like its presets interface and how they are utilised, and their slow loading. Some proper sound randomisation tools would be great and it REALLY needs a function lock like U-He and Virus synths. This synth would even more creative if i could lock parts of it while i explore presets. That functionality feels perfect for its workstation vibe. I'm going to dig into the synthesis aspect of it properly soon. All their presets are super polished but very traditional, it doesnt scream experimental. Id love to see what you could do with it in that area?
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
I'm really impressed with it and thanks for telling about that the arpeggiator sends MIDI. That's incredibly cool! I think that I am most impressed with Avenger for its high standard of technology. Some of the stuff is just mind-blowing. The new Spectral oscillator really have a cool retro-timestretch feel to it. I'd love to make some sounds for it. At least take a few days to experiment with it conceptually and see where that leads.
@issiewizzie
@issiewizzie 7 месяцев назад
I heard from pluginoutique that there's going to be a piano roll and extended midi update for version 2.1
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Really? Avenger is starting to look more and more like a miniature DAW :)
@SoftSynthPortal
@SoftSynthPortal 7 месяцев назад
Superb video. I agree all of this, especially: makes nexus redundant.
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
The only thing that Nexus has going for it, is that it has more expansions covering more ground than Avenger. But yeah, apart from that I would choose Avenger over Nexus any day.
@dnalyen
@dnalyen 7 месяцев назад
It’s more inspiring than any other synth. I own so many others. None of them have expansion packs or better presets than avenger
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
If you are into EDM and dance genres, sure, then Avenger should be on the top of your list.
@williammindreaders1029
@williammindreaders1029 7 месяцев назад
Hello great review nice to see your face !!!!
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Hey, thanks :)
@markmdn6307
@markmdn6307 7 месяцев назад
Modmatrix is just too short on screen real-estate. Great, honest review. I like your style.
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Thanks Mark - you can blow up the mod matrix though to cover the whole right side. Go to 15:52 in the video and you'll see what I mean.
@buildyourdreams7338
@buildyourdreams7338 3 месяца назад
at 9:22 I can not swich to harmonics ascending. Any Idea?
@EarlyMist
@EarlyMist 7 месяцев назад
I have those old Mutekki media Vengeance sample CD's. Super handy to have hard copies! 😃
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
I feel the same. :)
@briancase6180
@briancase6180 7 месяцев назад
I bought avenger 1 on a whim after I heard a sound that I really wanted for a production. I heard a couple good things about it and thought "I haven't wasted money on a plugin since a long time ago, so I'll go for it." I found that it has the very best presets I've ever heard in a synth. So, when V2 was released, I didn't hesitate. I think avenger might truly be the last synth I will buy.
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Until the next big thing comes along :) No, but I agree with you. With only Avenger you can get incredibly far.
@philippebackprotips
@philippebackprotips 7 месяцев назад
Ah ah, I am a trader *and* coder, so no wonder I love it! Agreeing 100% on the learning potential from looking at the presets. The packs are good but some are off. Like PSY, which is not much PSY...
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Breaking down the presets, especially the drums is a wealth of information.
@kelvynification
@kelvynification 7 месяцев назад
Nice review:) But it’s definitely not the be all of synths but for EDM I would say it’s a must. The expansion packs are stupidly expensive though:(
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Yeah, for EDM it's hard to beat.
@montazownianr1
@montazownianr1 7 месяцев назад
Also for EBM this and Viper Adam Szabo@@ThePlughugger
@gazdagis
@gazdagis 7 месяцев назад
@dkpianist
@dkpianist 7 месяцев назад
Looks truly massive, probably to a point where it's overwhelming. Plus at that price, the purchase seems hard to justify considering what even the free version of Vital can do. Sure, the sampling options here are much more extensive. But how much of that does one actually use?
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
I view it differently. It's like you are in a kitchen cooking food. In one kitchen you have five cooking tools. In another you have 20. You'll be able to cook delicious food in both kitchens, but in the latter it will be easier, take less time and maybe even be more fun. Don't use features because they are there. Use them when the feature suits the specific thing you want to do. Do you need two granular engines? No. But it's brilliant to have.
@ItsWesSmithYo
@ItsWesSmithYo 7 месяцев назад
@6:30 Chihuaha alert 🐕 I have two and they both lost it on that FM example 😂
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Lol!
@digitalbeat666
@digitalbeat666 7 месяцев назад
it is for bruh producers. I have Karma fx with Vital VSTs which are enough for great sounds for my needs. Perhaps good for someone who wants all in one producer package.
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
bruh producers haha lolol
@dnalyen
@dnalyen 7 месяцев назад
It sounds so good though
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
I agree. The quality of the sound engines is outstanding.
@issiewizzie
@issiewizzie 7 месяцев назад
I prefer the interface of Omnisphere in comparisons to avenger However I understand there reason for going with one view it even though its look cluttered .
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Yeah me too. But to be fair, Omnisphere isn't the best example of a perfect interface either. I think I like the u-he interfaces the most. They manage to stay quite flat and deep at the same time.
@johnny5kmusic346
@johnny5kmusic346 7 месяцев назад
How would you compare this synth to Falcon? For flexibility
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Falcon is more powerful, but also more harder to use. Falcon is like Kontakt, an environment you can create almost anything with. Working with Avenger is way quicker and more fluid than Falcon.
@johnny5kmusic346
@johnny5kmusic346 7 месяцев назад
@ThePlughugger Thanks!
@kooistradurk
@kooistradurk 7 месяцев назад
I remember their sample packs had samples where they did not even erase the id3 meta data. I.e. you could see who they ripped the sample from when you checked the meta data 😂 So I guess it's admirable they paid a coder to make an original UI
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
I never heard of that, but I do know there are a couple of samples on the old Vengeance CDs I own that I know could only have come from ripping other peoples music.
@issiewizzie
@issiewizzie 7 месяцев назад
nice have your Omnisphere packs ....... I just bought avenger out of curiosity ..... Been playing with it for over a week now Here is my plug-in Go to, They all complement each other . Omnisphere - (retro sounds warm +sample) Alchemy - (morphing ) falcon ----( love the soundd hate the interface ) VPS Avenger ... new baby .. wavestate tomofon Kontat - complete CE
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
You won't be disappointed. I love that new Spectral Engine. It really sounds like it's having roots in the old Akai hardware samplers.
@issiewizzie
@issiewizzie 7 месяцев назад
yes spectral goodness easy to use swell. ... AfterPlaying with the presets it got me thinking I'm going replicate the sounds in Omnisphere and Falcon .@@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
I don't know about the granular engine in Falcon, but let me know if you manage to replicate the sound.
@amigazo3972
@amigazo3972 7 месяцев назад
I know this is a good product, with a lot of potential. But, is the price fair? When one can layer free different synthesizers, create your own melodies in a piano roll, put effects in the rack, etc. I have tried Avenger, it is amazing, but for that price no way if one is an independent artist with a low budget. And the worst is the price of the expansions. I think it becomes a problem for products like Avenger, Nexus, Omnisphere for example, they believe they are the Swiss knife for music production.
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
I held a similar view for the longest time, until the free time I have available to myself became less. Could I build a small tool shed in the garden all by myself? Yes, I am intelligent enough and I have the ability to learn. But it will take me 10-20 maybe even 30 times longer than if a professional does it. You can do whatever you want with free tools today. Honestly, Synth1 is still to this day blowing me away on how well bread and butter sounds it can do for almost any genre. What Avenger/Nexus does is provide a shortcut for a price. I respect that.
@jeromeweaver809
@jeromeweaver809 6 месяцев назад
No video shows how to get instrument sounds to your DAW.
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 6 месяцев назад
How do you mean?
@philippebackprotips
@philippebackprotips 7 месяцев назад
The interface is meant for a bigger screen imo. Using it on a 32 inch 4K is a dream.
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
I don't know. I use a big ultrawide thing and I still feel ... I don't know. One part of me likes it and another part doesn't. It's ok.
@philippebackprotips
@philippebackprotips 7 месяцев назад
@@ThePlughugger Yes. On the other hand, using Pigments feels like switching from pane to pane all the time... I wish Avenger had a Vital like presets browser. They improved big time on Avenger 2 still.
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Oh yes, I know. There can be a lot of switching in Pigments. What I like about Pigments though is that they leave room for lots of parameters if you wish to go deep. Take the granular engine in Pigments. Far superior than Avenger in terms of sound design. I feel Avenger loses out on deeper features because they have to restrict everything into one window.
@PhilippeBack
@PhilippeBack 7 месяцев назад
​@@ThePlughuggerMaybe will they make one part zoom to take the whole space then back in. That would be killer.
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Yeah, something like that would easily give more depth to Avenger.
@danlopez2012
@danlopez2012 7 месяцев назад
Pigments is also currently -50% off... so! There's that🤔
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
And it has been awarded the best soft synth of the year at KvR for the third straight year.
@xsm5525
@xsm5525 7 месяцев назад
this is the serum killer
@RogerBrenon
@RogerBrenon 7 месяцев назад
Omnisphere.
@jensschettler1732
@jensschettler1732 Месяц назад
Pigments sounds much better imho
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger Месяц назад
Why do you think Pigments sounds better?
@jensschettler1732
@jensschettler1732 Месяц назад
The frequency spectrum seems broader. Filter Sounds better. the delay and reverb are smoother. Sounds Just better Overall. Avenger Sounds more dated so to speak. Also beides the Sound the Copy protection IS mess. Renew your licence over the Internet or your synth wohnt Work. Really? What If the company die and Server are down.. No thanks...
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger Месяц назад
@@jensschettler1732 I think the weakest point in Pigments is its internal synth engine. But the interface in Avenger is a complete mess.
@SebastianBeyer
@SebastianBeyer 7 месяцев назад
less is more.
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Sometimes yeah.
@MCAlvesPortugal
@MCAlvesPortugal 7 месяцев назад
I can not agree with you 😅
@ThePlughugger
@ThePlughugger 7 месяцев назад
Then we agree to disagree :)
@williammindreaders1029
@williammindreaders1029 7 месяцев назад
@@ThePlughugger 🤣🤣🤣
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