Lol Barry Bonds is better than Babe lol... Hell Josh Gibson was better than Babe Ruth... This has always been misleading because of the political stuff... Now that MLB has changed the records to account for the Racism in the World now you will see whats real vs what wasn't. Babe was nice no doubt it's just when u don't allow anyone else challenge this... Well 2024 that day is here .... The Black Babe Ruth Josh Gibson... Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds...
How about we get off baseball reference and look at the video clips. Babe Ruth and all the other old players look like a mens beer league today. In what world do you think any of those guys would be able to play in modern baseball. Maybe if you said everyone starts in the same era, and we see who's best, but that's not reality. Bonds is the GOAT, Mays is a close second.
I am tired of all this "debate" about the greatness of babe Ruth. Babe Ruth was in fact the greatest baseball player ... of the white only baseball leagues. And Josh Gibson was the greatest baseball player ... of the negro league.
If Barry " THE CHEATER " Bonds hadnt done steroids he NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS have broken the Babes records !! Babe DIDNT HAVE TO CHEAT TO BE GREAT ; Vonds DID ! CASE CLOSED !!
And say what you will about Bonds but like Ruth and Yankee stadium the house that Ruth built, Bonds single handedly built that stadium in downtown San Francisco. Few players in the history of baseball can take that kind of credit.
Barry Bonds never tested positive for steroids. He was railroaded out of baseball because he made it clear from the time he was a rookie that he cant stand baseball writers and the writers are white racist thats why baseball is the most racist of the three major American sports. Baseball could be a more enjoyable and dynamic sport but it discouraged black participants. A black player must be twice as good to make it to the majors. And who gets college baseball scholarships not blacks or hispanics. The ironic truth of baseball that will be in the history books 300 years from now. Baseball did break the sports color barriers but Baseball is the most racist of the three major american sports.
how are you gonna talk about offensive stats… bring up yankee greats… mention derek jeter and aaron judge and just casually forget about alex rodriguez? THE best hitter of his generation.
I feel like guys like Josh Gibson are finally getting the recognition they deserve. I plan on talking more about players from negro leagues but I will need to do a lot more research to give them what they deserve.
Not comparable really Ruth only played against one races talent and never faced specialists like Bonds. I know the steroids thing but there’s whispers of Ruth using substances too, I’m not a fan of Bonds but he would absolutely shit on Ruth’s era and Ruth would have no shot
Babe Ruth is transcedant of the game. He is a Mozart level goat. Barry Bonds might hold the records but he got them on cheat code while trolling anyone and everyone. It isnt even close Ruth will always be loved and everyone vote is biased off that alone.
Ruth had to hit against drunk farmers throwing 75 mph fastballs in a league of 8 teams with limited travel. Most of his stories are tall tales like hitting 500 foot homers, u believe that judging by his choppy swing and the low velocity pitches well then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya! Compare their swings and look at Barry's walk stats.. He got maybe 1 pitch to hit a game and sent it yard. He would get walked with the bases loaded ffs. Barry is the best hitter in history.
Ruth was a great pitcher and won 7 World Series, giving him the edge. However, they should not have persecuted Bonds so much for his steroid use. He was one of a kind regardless.
This is the crux of the problem. 90% of your portion of Babe Ruth is wrapped up in so much nostalgia so that even his worst quality: gluttony, is made to appear cool. On the other hand when he t came to Bobds, there os NOT ONE positive comment about Bonds the man. Just Bonds the player.
"I KNOW Barry Bonds' used steroids " You lost your credibility right there. I mean, the man, after YEARS of investigation and millions of dollars, he won the case. If that is not proof he DIDN'T, then I don't know what to tell you.
I can't see an out of shape Ruth hitting like Bonds in baseball today. What was the speed of pitches then? Over time, Bonds will be recognized because he was just insanely good. But, Ruth, though none of us can attest to, was probably best, too. I'll take Bonds on my team though.
Okay I want to dispel an illusion here. It was Bonds. And its not fucking close at all. There is a great Jon Bois Video about how historically great he'd have been if he stepped into the box WITHOUT A FUCKING BAT. Not to mention the idea that Ruth was hitting against, with all due respect Double to Triple A level pitching with High School velocity. But Bonds cheated. That's true but it's called the "steroid era" for a reason and it sure as shit aint because he was the only one using them. Bonds' perception is a consequence of many things, most of which are absolutely his fault, but its not an argument. Bonds by MILES.
Bonds is better but babe is more iconic, he built the sport and built the Yankees the sports most iconic team too. Won tons of World Series when Bonds won 0. Context means everything.
Say what you want about Bonds, he is the only player that can even be compared to Ruth, even if he comes up a bit short. And because baseball is so much harder now than it was a century ago, that is the last time we will ever see a player that literally breaks the game.
Bonds is the greatest player in baseball history period. I believe it would have been Ken Griffey Jr had he not gotten hurt so often. Junior is still my favorite player however Bond’s numbers are absolutely ridiculous and can’t be denied. You can’t say that his numbers were due to steroids. That’s simply not true.
Longtime Ms fan here. I think Bond's was a better hitter than Griffey, but didn't have the same lineup protection which made his power numbers look worse. Nobody walked Griffey because then you'd just have Edgar and then Buhner and an extra base runner.
Babe also never: played at night, had to travel to the west coast,or played against integrated teams. All those are significant issues to never have to face
The tie breaker are the strikeouts. Bonds hit for average, power, and still was struck on only 12% of his at bats. Ruth had more or less the same percentage, but in Bonds´era, the SO/9 rate was almost three times as high compared to the Babe Ruth era. Bonds was the standout from a world wide talent pool of ball players, Ruth had not even faced the full talent level among US players (otoh he wasnt doping). So yes, the strikeouts are the tie breaker. Cant drop the K rate with roid syringes. Many of Bonds´ HRS otoh are not legit.
I hate the guy but he's a Hall of famer Unless he got a special brand of steroids that literally makes you superhuman He's far far better than all of the other juicers
Btw the centerfielder Van Slyke told Bonds to move in, he was playing too deep in left He gave him the middle finger. Cabrera got a hit and Bonds was unable to throw out one of the slowest runners in mlb history For that alone, Im going with Ruth. Bonds was a MOFO in the worst sense of the word
It's tough I know Bonds wouldn't have played that good for that long if it weren't for steroids Then you've got Ruth where the fastballs were 82-85 mph. He'd need to swing a lighter bat today. And Yankee Stadium is the best case scenario for a lefty power hitter. I don't think we know how far the majority of his homers went. But Bonds regularly hit them into the cove. You can't really compare. You'll also get into how high the mound was. All day games. Long train rides... I don't know
People usually don’t know that Babe Ruth had 60 home runs when they only played 150 games in a season. When Roger Maris hit 61 in 1961 they had just changed the season to 162 games. Maris did not reach 60 home runs in 150 games so in a way Ruth’s 60 still beats Maris’s 61.
Babe Ruth hit 714 home runs without steroids in an era when literally no one else was remotely close. His teammate Lou Gehrig, one on baseball's immortals, hit 493. He was way more impressive.
Another difference is the length of the season in which they played with Babe Ruth playing during a time when a baseball season was 153 games and Barry Bonds played during a time when the length of a baseball season was 162 games(the reason for the asterisk after Roger Maris' 61st homerun in 1961, the first 162 game season)
