Babe Vs. Bonds: The Most Dominant Player In Baseball History 

Exactly

Motherfucker would’ve got smacked, but I still fuck with that movie Disney done about his bat lmao

Not to mention he would have made the hall of fame as a pitcher.

In a league with 8 teams and everyone's out of shape or drunk, they had limited travel and pitchers threw 75 mph fastballs! The fact out of shape Ruth could dominate at the plate and mound shows u the talent pool back then we only now have Ohtani able to do that at a lower level. Most those Babe Ruth stories are tall tales like him hitting 500 ft homers, against low velocity pitches with that choppy swing? Bryce Harper, Judge and McGwire couldn't so u really believe he could? C'mon. Bonds is levels better as a hitter he has twice the walks as the next player, noone has a better eye at the plate. He got walked with the bases loaded and pitchers wouldnt even throw him a strike the whole game, if they missed he went yard everytime

@@knightrider693 Can he pitch?

@@coldsnap5742 he probably could have back then, I think I could too I can chuck high 80's and I'm in better shape

Thank you! Both players were head and shoulders above their competition and it is crazy what either of them did on the field.

I know, anytime you’re getting intentionally walked with the bases loaded, you’re a cut above the rest. And that was 1998. And what can’t you say about Ruth, he could have been a hall of fame pitcher as well as a position player.

Bonds left the Pirates. The Pirates had no chance to pay him. They gave big contracts to Drabek and Van Slyke and tried to resign Bonds. His last year in Pittsburgh Bonds made 4.8 million. His first year in San Francisco he made 4.5 million. The Pirates won their last championship in 1979. Bonds won nothing for the Pirates. He went to San Francisco and won nothing.

@@floydparr8006 Good response, but I disagree with both of your analysis. Correct, the Pirates did give big contracts to Drabek (good pitcher by the way), and Van Slyke. The Pirates also signed shortstop Jay Bell for $17.5 million, four-year deal in 1993, the same year that Bonds signed with the Giants. See Bonds and Bonilla "somehow" couldn't win their arbitration cases while other players on the team were being taken care of. They could have signed Bonds as Bonilla was traded to the Mets in '92 as money was freed up. This is Bonds, not only the MVP of the team, but we are talking about the MVP of the league, who should have won in 1991 (as it would have been 3 MVPs with the Pirates). So the Pirates somehow had enough money to get a new stadium nine years later. You are suppose to finacially take care of the best player or MVP of the league that happens to be on your team. This isn't the first time the Pirates screwed things up, as I would say getting rid of Forbes Field to play in that concrete dump Three Rivers was another blunder. The other one is the Pirates not signing the negro league players who were playing for the Pittsburgh Crawfords (Gibson, Bell, and Paige) in the 1930's, especially the 1936 Crawford team. So basically a decade later Branch Rickey does what should have been done in Pittsburgh. The other argument such as Bonds won nothings is like saying, "Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Ken Griffey Jr , Tony Gwynn and Harmon Killebrew never won anything because they didn't win a ring." The 1993 Giants team won 103 games that season, the Braves (who had three hall of fame pitchers on that team), won 104 games, but were erroneously in the NL West. So after this baseball decided to create a central division in 1994 and a wild card system which we didn't get to see initially because of the strike. It takes a team to win in baseball, they were close in 2002, but Dusty Baker erroneously took out Russ Ortiz too soon in the 7th and the Angels came back. It wasn't Bonds fault, as he put on a clinic. I think Bonds wanted to go back home to that part of California where he grew up at. Did he have personality attitude problem, yea he did, but so did many others.

@@flame-sky7148 The Pirates signed Bonds to a record one year contract. They would have resigned Bonds to a longer contract but he had no desire to play in Pittsburgh. The only offers he considered were the Giants & Yankees. Bonds didn't win a ring because he stunk in the postseason. He hit . 191 with 1 HR and 3 RBI in 20 games with the Pirates. His last act was disobeying his manager who ordered him to move in. He waved off Van Slyke who relayed the order to Bonds. When the ball was hit to him his weak off line throw allowed the winning run to score. Out of 7 postseasons, he only had one good one at the plate in 2002 but he lost the series in the field when he misplayed Troy Glaus' fly ball into the game winning double in game 6. The Angels got the momentum and won game 7 at home. Forbes Field was the most difficult stadium to hit Home Runs in baseball. To say it was a mistake to move is a joke. The Pirates made the post season and won a World Series the first 3 years in 3 Rivers. Their first 10 years they won 6 division titles and 2 championships. The Pirates were always great hitting and weak to mediocre pitching teams. Playing in an extreme pitcher's park for so long was the mistake.

Thank you! He was great to read about.

Thank you very much, it is easy to get lost in the mythology of older players and forget just how good they really were.

Agreed, it's not even close in my book. Imagine the great Bambino on the juice....

@@dylanryan8241you’re looking at it backwards. Bonds would have hit 1000+ hr playing against mid 80s fastball pitching white guys from one region in the world and it ain’t even close!

@@kokkari37 Then why weren’t others putting up stats like Ruth’s if you think it was so easy? 😠 Ruth was a fantastic pitcher well before becoming an outfielder. He revolutionized the game, and became a 20th Century icon. Bonds was a pariah before PED use became the go-to dope for cheaters; unliked/avoided in the clubhouse for his egotistical attitude. He became the poster boy for cheating, wresting that stain from Canseco. Comparing him to Ruth ought to be a crime.

@@GizmoBeach did the word “easy” ever come out of my mouth? If you think Ruth could swing his 45oz bat in today’s game you are delusional. Today’s “world talent” would destroy Ruth era pitching and also Ruth as a pitcher. The skill set doesn’t even compare. Look up what the average fastball was based on known video analysis from Ruth’s time. It’s silly!

Garbage, Barry is clearly vetter than Ruth.

If the biggest thing you remember about Barry Bonds is a fly ball he dropped, then you’re likely a major hater. There’s no way anybody doesn’t immediately think of a big shrek guy looking for a pitch at the plate to slug out the park

Happy to help sir

Thank you so much, it always means a lot hearing stuff like this!

He is incredibly underrated. Glad you liked it!

You weren't even born in Babe Ruth time. He suck compared to Barry Bonds

​@@mastermace7770😂😂😂 exactly

@@mastermace7770No Bonds is overrated especially as a hitter sorry. Don’t forget Bonds always sucked in the playoffs and could never hit when it mattered most.

Stan is an all time player and I feel like he doesn’t get the recognition he deserves. Only Hank Aaron and Pujols have more total bases. The guy was a machine and I think he was decades ahead of everyone in terms of valuing extra base hits.

Thank you for the info and the compliment!

I appreciate it. Babe Ruth is really the only guy you can compare him to and that says A LOT.

​@@TapirBaseballBonds is cheating scum, and would never have done what he did without his drugs.

I have hundreds of Bonds rookie cards in my mom’s basement.😂

@@yankees29 grade the mint and gem mint copies!

@@yankees29 excellent! Any of them mint copies?

I think would of definitely hit 800 home runs if not 850 if he wasn’t walked as much

Probably could have hit 900 without the walks and if he also wasn't blackballed out of the league

Yup the guy was definitely the best hitter of all time, the only guy who was walked consitently like that , it wasn't just that he was gonna hit the ball ,it was when he did there was a very high chance it was going out . The whole league said fuck that , and when they tried to pullthe tough guy "we ain't afraid to throw to him " routine he made them pay on a consistency level that was incredible . He was hated because he was so far ahead of anyone and targeted for something that the entire league was doing at that time . We were all super lucky to see things like that happen in real time and in person . I live about 2 hours south of sf and while i hate the city as a whole I love the stadiums over the years and have been to alot of games and feel lucky to have seen that live

Remember that Bonds joined the steroid era late and when he was out of his prime years. He won 3 x MVPs pre steroid era, ZERO MVPS in his prime during the first 7 years of the steroid era, then 4 x MVPS when he joined the MLB standard of using steroids. Imagine a steroid Bonds in his prime. We’re looking at 12-14 MVPs. I always like to remind peeps that the commissioner of MLB during steroids in in the Hall of Fame

@@Spinach_D bud selig deserves more than a lions share of blame. Absolutely

Babe Ruth was an alien. A statistical anomaly in baseball. Never worked out in his life. Drank like a fish (so much that he died of throat cancer). He was just the perfect baseball player. 7 world series wins. 714 hrs. BA .342 and as a pitcher 26 scoreless world series innings .175 ERA in 1916. Babe Ruth was the greatest of all time

Thank you! Both players really separated themselves and I think either opinion is valid.

Your full of Steroids

Thank you very much!

Very good to note. Ruth is the leader in slugging which just means he would have been even better if given more games to play in.

@@TapirBaseball he was also a defensive leader, a threat on the basepaths, and an RBI leader

Fair enough, Babe was unbelievable in more ways than one

I think bonds post season struggles are fair criticism i dont think the 7-0 is fair. Id choose more contemporary players outside of jeter not many other players have between 2-4.

I feel like guys like Josh Gibson are finally getting the recognition they deserve. I plan on talking more about players from negro leagues but I will need to do a lot more research to give them what they deserve.

I appreciate it!

He never had to pay at night, or travel to the west coast, or play against integrated teams...

@@iconpoet just like everyone else in the league at the time. As time goes on our knowledge about the human body and what are the best techniques always advance. For that reason it's not fair to compare players directly across eras. The best way is how they stack up vs their peers. No one was better vs their peers than Ruth. Let's not forget that Ruth was the best left-handed pitcher in the league before he gave that up for hitting full time. That should more than compensate for pre-roids Bonds' defense.

I forgot who said it but a comedian said “are you really the goat if you didn’t compete against black athletes” lol

@@nuknowledge9414 That's a fair point

Fair assessment

Ruth wasn’t as slow as you think. He stole 123 bases in his career. He stole home 10 times!

Truth

He tried to mend some bridges with his coaching stints but it ultimately wasn’t enough to get him. It will be interesting to see what happens with the veteran committee

​@TapirBaseball That last veterans committee bonds wasnt even close. Im ashamed that the players didnt vote him in and that committee had some of my favorite all time players from my team. Chipper, maddux, glavine

Bonds and roids are inseparable. A "Bonds without roids" comment is pointless. Completely discredited. Even the woke media could not get him into the Hall of Fame and he is the "all time home run leader." Cough! GAG!!

​@@randolphkersey5155yeah, because if there's one guy the media loves it's obviously Barry Bonds

Ted deserves his own video. Arguably would of been the greatest ever if military service didn't take away prime years.

Babe Ruth's pitching ability is not talked about enough, he was phenomenal on the mound.

Easy time period for him to play in.

Ruth played against the same handful of teams and the same pitchers over and over while only allowing white players to play. I think it’s fair to say based on athleticism alone Ruth would not have performed the same in Bond’s era.

@@mastermace7770then how come no one else hit bombs like Ruth did back then?

​@@mastermace7770you could say the same thing bout bonds... easy time to be a hitter, took down the spins pitchers were throwing "no more spit balls, submarines, and the like" and added juice to the game... when a guys head size now matches his ego, you got a problem... unlike during the Ruth Era, bonds Era MULTIPLE PLAYERS hitting massive HRs... unlike Ruth Era, which there were SO FEW... sorry, you are comparing Apples to Orange JUICED...

Babe Ruth never played against either blacks or latinos. Babe Ruth never batted against the array of pitches that exist now. And likely never faced fast balls anywhere near 100 mph. Babe Ruth was on a team with batters labeled murderous row and had 5 hall of famers outside of babe himself. He also played in an era in which there was between 23 to 15 other teams he competed against to win the championship. Bonds competed against 29 other teams and as far as I know never had more than 1 other hall of famer ever on his team. Bonds did face an array of pitches, did face fast balls toping 100 mph and obviously played against blacks, latinos and asians.

I agree, Stan Musial was out of this world

@@TapirBaseball were definitely talking about 2 different players, Bonds is the greatest hitter I've ever seen. Not just the HR, the hitting, walks aside from Intentional walks, did the 'steriods" enhance his eye coordination. Canseco, Mcguire, Manny. None of this power hitters come close to what Bonds did at the plate.

100%

Yeah and none of the opposing teams were integrated.

Nobody was in Bond's league when he was roiding from 00-04. He had a 600 obp one year.

Not they didn’t high 80’s- low 90’s. And they were throwing breaking balls back then also. The ball was much more dead than now too. I think the ball might have been a bit smaller too. I saw one of his home run balls in the HOF.

Mays is not even close to Ruth. Be for real.

Prove it

He never tested positive. See, how you stop that is you have testing put in place with sanctions. Within those sanctions, you have suspension of games. Then, said player cannot reach certain milestones. This is why someone like Alex Rodriguez didn't reach 700 hrs or 800 hrs. Baseball decided too test to late in the game. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Hank Aaron hit 47 homes at the age of 37, and hit 40 home runs at the age of 39. Age is but a number as Ted Williams hit .388 at the age of 38 with 38 home runs. Heck even Babe Ruth put up great numbers from 36 through 39 years of age. Bonds faced global talent (no segregation), specialty relief pitching, and when ground rule doubles weren't counted as home runs until 1930.

The Babe didn’t have access to it, and Hank Aaron played in an era where it was rarely used. He used other things like amphetamines so he wasn’t necessarily clean either. Can’t blame Bonds for being the absolute best in an era called, “the steroid era”

Stan was the man for a reason

Was it cheating when players used to alter the ball or change it’s surface for pitching before the rules change?………If you say it wasn’t, then steroids at that time wasn’t cheating either as there was no rule prohibiting it in the game. Right and wrong, morally isn’t the same argument. If you break a MLB rule for a competitive advantage, then it’s cheating. Oh by the way…..The Hall is filled with people broke rules…..The difference is, most of those people weren’t a-holes……Barry was lol

Ruth was a better hitter for a longer period of time imo

There are literally tens of thousands of people still alive that could have witnessed Ruth play baseball. 🤷‍♂️

@@MRCANTGETANAME No way. That mightve been true a decade ago, but not so much today. The average adult (to even catch Ruth at the end of his career) would have to be well over a century old to have seen him play; and the average kid from that period would have to be nearing at least century old today themselves. Bonds was born in a different era anyhow. The media helped give Bonds a bad name. There's not enough to go on with Ruth. We know the good, bad and ugly of Bonds, and know only the good of Ruth. That's because of the different eras they played in. Bonds was criticized constantly, thanks to the media and the help of the internet. I'm sure if Ruth had played under the same circumstances, then we would also know the good, bad and ugly of Ruth. Look at Griffey....great guy...to some. If you look hard enough, though, you can find some bad and shady stories with Griffey. Everything nowadays is publicized. Ruth grew up in much simpler times and didn't have the technology and coverage we have today. That's why you find very little footage of Ruth, as well. It's just not a fair comparison, in my opinion.

Ruth was amazing and yet there is still a slight "what could of been?" when it comes to him. It goes to show just how great he was in the games he did appear in.

Ohtani's story is still being written and even as a Giants fan I am very much looking forward to him in the postseason.

I agree

So you are perfectly okay with all the cheating?

You are fair in saying this, but I personally felt like I would only be repeating what every other conversation about Bonds turns into. I am not trying to persuade anyone against having this opinion but I just didn't think it made for very entertaining talking points to mention something that every baseball fan already knows. Like I said, I think you are justified in saying this but I just didn't feel the need to say everything that has already been said over the last 20 years. I appreciate the comment and I am happy to see the passion for the game.

Diff athletes in diff sports using diff substances. Not at all an apples to apples comparison

When did Bonds test positive for steroids?

@@TapirBaseball I totally appreciate that you listened to my argument. To me it's a pointless conversation. Not only that I feel it detracts from Griffey's 56 in a strike shortened season or Aaron's 755. I'm still on the fence with Judge's 62. It's going to take time before I acknowledge it. My heart still hurts from McGwire, Sosa, and yes, Bonds with PEDs. They should be first ballots but they're not. Well, maybe not Sosa. I totally appreciate the all around well made video. I'll watch more!

@@MRCANTGETANAMEThe "first" time was November 2000. 3 years before MLB implemented wide range testing. Thanks Google.

Neither are anywhere near Ruth

No, they are not better than Bonds. Barry outclassed Babe and Mike. STOP it

That’s cute

casual

​@@will-eh3qttoo young to have seen Barry?

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