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Most people don't play the ball down. Handicaps are dumb unless you play in a league or tournaments that go by Handicap. My buddies turn in higher scores than they actually shoot so they have an advantage in tournaments.
The "potential" score is what's wrong with the handicap system. If I shoot outta my head ONE round the system sez "ya, that's you, most of the time" which is BS. I post my scores, but I understand why alot of folks won't post the low ones, cuz it's not representative of the their usual round. It closer to their best round. The computers are smart enough to average all your rounds. The good will balance the bad and your usual round will show
The system is flawed. Establishing a handicap from the "up" tees will naturally inflate a handicap. Then when playing a match, player will het inflated handicap (based on higher differential from the up tees) and also distance. Almost impossible to neat with a handicap established from other tees.
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I went threw this in my last time playing my mens club won my net championship and play agents all in match play champion, been playing this club for 15 years and had my best season but some said I was cheating
Handicaps doesn't create a fair game is actually the opposite. I'm personally see more in creating brackets where you compete in for example. Hcp 0-10, 10-20 etc and no strokes given. I dont like the fact that if you train hard to become a better golfer you get punished in matches or competitions if you have to compete against a weekend warrior.
Handicaps doesn't create a fair game is actually the opposite. I'm personally see more in creating brackets where you compete in for example. Hcp 0-10, 10-20 etc and no strokes given. I dont like the fact that if you train hard to become a better golfer you get punished in matches or competitions if you have to compete against a weekend warrior.
@DaBluBarron1918 yes it sure is. At our club when we play matchplay competitions we use the difference in playing hcp × 0.7. With this format you have a slight advantage as a lower hcp. But still the hcp system feels a bit unfair. Could also be just me because I used to play a other sport before I started with golf.
I think the old system was more a measure of your ability - on a better than average day - (capability, if you like) whereas the new system is now more a measure of your average performance. Across the v large number of club golfers that I play with their new WHS handicap (translated into course handicap) is higher than their old handicap and the winning scores in competitions have stepped up (e.g. from 39/40 as a winning score to 42/43 now being the winning score in a large field). So we tend to say that the old system measured ability (on a good day) and the new system measures average performance.
As a junior in the 90s I was given a 45 handicap regardless of my my ability at 12. Won the first 36 hole comp by 26shots……. First time playing Stopped at 18 and started again at 23. Was given a 7 handicap. Stopped at 26 and started again at 41. 9 handicap and I’d not hit a ball in 15years. Wish I have the funding as with this handicaps without playing …… jeez I’d be a pro 😂😂😂😂
Believe it or not, a 15 is better than 50 percent of players who carry a handicap, which is way smaller than the percentage of people who play golf. So, better than more like 65-70% of golfers.
why is it that in some competitions you are only allowed a percentage of your handicap? This appears to only benefit the good players. I don't understand the point of having a handicap when this happens.
My handicap tells me that I can’t beat a single digit golfer. They are more consistent than I am, and they shoot their handicap way more than I do or they wouldn’t be single digits.
Not necessarily true, I play of a 3.4 a higher handicap golfer if they think and plot there way around can beat lower handicap players. The biggest thing I see is the higher handicap golfer trys hero shots to often. By the way I'm not long but extremely consistent and generally only practice short game and putting
@@billwatkins8227 I got knocked out of our club stableford by an 17 handicap player this year, who got 43 points, I got 38 although he was cut to 14. It's hard for a low handicap player in that format
You didn’t even mention hard and soft caps, another method keeping a 15 from ever beating a single digit. I actually had a guy from Mass golf tell me that the single digit guys at my club would not take kindly to a golfer whose handicap went up over three strokes in a season. When I wrote him, my average scores had gone from 90 to 95. I was playing awful, but if my handicap was allowed to go up over 3 strokes, I would have been considered a sandbagged. We all know who makes the rules , club pros and single digit players. Tournament s are their domain.
How dare some single digit handicap, or club pro tell me what my potential is. If I average 95 over 20 rounds and shoot 78 once, am I really a 78 golfer? If you give an infinite number of typewriters to an infinite number of chimps, and one types a Shakespeare sonnet, was he a genius chimp or just lucky. Oh, and will that Chimp type another sonnet? I doubt it.
@@ryanballengeegolf Thats shocking. I'm a 4.6 index whenever some +2 has to give me shots it never works out. I gamble on every round so i have to post them no matter what.
Welcome! The primary place people enter scores now is GHIN, which the USGA runs. Check out ghin.com and you can buy a handicap index (it's annual) and then start using the app to enter scores.
Personally, i think using the word "potential" is dangerous - does it mean the potential in a week, month, or year? "Current capability" is a much better description, imo.
Maybe meet you in the middle on "current potential," haha. You raise a good point that's not a golfer's permanent potential. However, depending on the timeframe the counting rounds cover, that potential could be measuring a very short window or years.
It also might be good to elaborate on individual hole score limits. Like a low handicap can’t take more than a net double bogey toward their handicap. Thanks for the video.
@@eldiablony274 thanks, I didn’t know the name. I saw not a scratch golfer and I think golf sidekick mention it on their channels. Something along the line of “I gave up trying on the hole because it would only count as a 6 for my handicap”
Former Golf Pro. Still a +3.5 index playing 3-4 times a month which includes tournament rounds. As a former Teaching Pro I found that the VAST majority of golfers are vanity handicaps based on 3 footers alone. Then there's also this other thing called tournament golf where those vanity handicaps really betray the golfer holding said handicap.
15 is a very good handicap? You said that correct,? 15 is a very good handicap? Is a 10 handicap super good? A 6 handicap must be insanely, ridiculously good? 15 handicap very good! You made me laugh today, well done!
Great explanation, didn't know about course rating and slope applications. I'm wondering about one thing I've always believed about handicap: The number applies to how many strokes you get on a given hole from hard to easy. i.e., if my handicap is 10 (my guess at my current hc btw), then I would get a stroke on the 10 hardest holes. If it was 20, I would get a stroke on the 16 easiest holes and 2 each on the 2 hardest. Is this true?
That's right, you get a stroke on each hole before you get a second (or third now!) on another. So for the 19th stroke, it gets added to the No. 1 handicap hole, and then it goes from there
You won't necessarily get penalized for that, though sometimes the slope and course rating from the up tees doesn't really match the difficulty of the course
Correct, because ones handicap index is the average of the best eight scores meaning that you play to your handicap 50% of the time or 4 out of 20 which is 20%.
That's why handicaps are WRONG. H-caps should be an avg of at least 20 scores, not the best 8 out of 20. If you're a 90's shooter, on average, you should carry an 18 h-cap. PERIOD. That's why golf sux and why ppl play 5 hour rounds and use the wrong tee locations!!!
