Just a guy looking to drive a few things and tick a few boxes. The current project - working on driving or being passenger in all of @officialevomagazine Issue 135 October 2009’s Top 100 Drivers cars. 🚗 💯
It's better than the F-Type in looks,space, and the convertible department.The only thing that looks better than the XK is F-Type's rear view of the car which I think looks incredibly better than the XK rear view which they could've made another Generation of the XK by giving the XK a similar facelift look of the F-Type's rear view.If they updated the XK like this,it would be the best looking car in the world.I believe the new Aston martins have the rear view look a new XK would sort of have if they did this,but I say they should've went ahead and made it completely look like an F-type in the back and just make the tail lights look a little different
I have a MK5 R32 so much more refined, yeah not fast but any twisty road it’ll keep up with anything on the road and loves its head kicked in 😂great video 👍
@@Lloydtriescars I think it was because of noise. I believe the GT350 exhaust decibels was double the European limit. I am British BTW. I just live everywhere but.
@@MarthaMansbridge the old defender was an evolution of a car that came out of the 1940’s right through to 2016. This is a blank canvas, didn’t say I couldn’t cope with it. Just thought there was room for a few development improvements given 👍🏻
@@Lloydtriescarsnot so bad so far, no expensive bills yet 🤞. Currently away at paint to tidy a few little imperfections in the paint. Can't wait to get it back.
Great gargle lol perhaps sticking an external mic near the rear would have saved your street cred. Good everyday review, not overly exaggerated like some
Hey Lloyd, help me brother. Been a fan of this car for years. And I have grown as a man and saved my money. They are finally within purchase for me. I'm dead serious, I can't decide. Manual or DCT? HELP!
What kind of driving do you do?! If you live out in the countryside, go for a manual, DCT if you are going to commute in it. Both are great options though.
Looks like the alignment needs checking as your hands never stopped sawing at the steering on my second Grenadier and neither exhibit that characteristic or the other 4 that I have driven for thousands of years of miles. Don’t forget the engineering input from Magna Styer and the other vehicle they make.
Had one, to be honest you can make an M2 comp better & have change. It’s only the amount of M2 CS that are about which is 2000 world wide that make it.
@@Lloydtriescars yeah BMW originally were making 2200 units to be sold world wide but then actually only made 2000units world wide, so it made it more difficult for people to get one. Thankfully being a great customer at Sytners I paid my 10K deposit, spaced a car & got one…. Had to sign a disclaimer to say I wouldn’t sell it within the first year but I did sell 18 months later & made 35K profit on the car, think the prices have dropped now tho.🤔
Thank you very much! I’ll buy a proper DJI mic at some point, but they’re a load of money. Deffo need it to though. The nice thing about the iPhone is at least it captures a good amount of engine noise through to the cabin! That’s a positive I guess 😂
I had an E46 M3 as a fun weekend car and changed it after 8 years for an E93 M3 LE500. People will say the coupe is better. However take the V8 out on a nice morning with the roof down and the noise is addictive.
The engine is actually great in this car. But I can’t get over the look of it. It’s just one of the least aesthetically pleasing m3 models. Even the e90 was better looking.
Even that partly panelled version is not classed as a commercial vehicle by HMRC and therefore its VAT is not reclaimable. So forget about it being a serious business truck, it’s just not viable when a Ford Ranger/VW Amarok will do the same work exactly for half the net price or less. Having said that and ignoring the financial aspect and the lack of foresight by Ineos even for the Quartermaster pickup, which doesn’t qualify either, it is a very capable truck that is very capable of hard work for many years. I wonder though whether people will want or be able to afford running these thirsty petrol and diesel versions in even ten year’s time considering the move away from fossil fuels. At the price of these things I cannot see one single reason why they would buy a Grenadier in preference to a much better sorted, comfortable and equally capable LR Defender which will thrash Grenadier on the road, where even a large farmer’s or utility company’s vehicle will spend the majority of its time.
This is an excellent comment. Very well said, I didn’t know it wasn’t VAT qualifying. You have to ask yourself, would you rather a brand new Ineos of a 2 year old Defender? I think I know what I’d prefer.
@@Lloydtriescars Ineos have only just announced and made available to order their first VAT and tax efficient blind van two seater version of Grenadier. The ones sold up ‘till now certainly have NOT qualified. The advertise the model you featured and the original two seater as “certified commercial” but that only applied to the DVLA, not HMRC, which limits their speed limits on most roads to 10mph less than ‘normal’ and applies a standard £335 road tax. So that claim of theirs is highly deceptive to say the least.
Love the car,,,,I have owned one for 6 years now,,,,if I had one criticism I would say the clutch is the issue with the Vantage,,,,other than that a timeless classic
It's amazing how our definition of fast has changed in the last 15 years with the advent of quick turbo cars and powerful diesels, not to mention EVs. However, the e92 is plenty fast enough to be fun and it's so much more involving to drive than any of the non-M stuff (M140, etc). I realised some time ago that road driving is all about the experience and not the speed and with some minor changes to inlet and exhaust, the E92 M3 delivers that in spades.
So funny. Whipping the wheel back and forth does nothing… except the camera is showing the vehicle rocking back and forth. When the reviewer is looking down at the console, his hands on the wheel suddenly stay steady… why hasn’t it wandered off the road. Sorry, but I’m not really sure if we are talking about the quality of the steering or the steerer.
Perhaps the camera didn’t give the best impression, but I was turning the wheel a good 20 degrees from the top dead centre quickly and it didn’t venture out of the lane I was in. This could be an issue for any quick avoidance needed. Thought I’d demonstrate it that’s all! 😀👍🏻
As a car I would maybe give it a 6 out of 10 or maybe a 5.5. As an SUV maybe a 6.5 or a 7 at best. As a robust overlander 4WD it would easily get an 8.5 or maybe a 9. Once again though it doesn't have a steering rack. You can't put rack and pinion steering on a live axle vehicle, unless you remove any type of wheel articulation. For the driving you are talking about an SUV, particularly the new Landrover, will be significantly better. I load mine up with gear for work, drive on motorways, country roads, gravel/dirt roads and forestry trails. It eats up the miles like nothing else. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3JEgONXS4zY.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-srFgveXrRBo.html
Again, totally understand it would be a mighty off-roader! But most cars like this in the UK will be used as predominantly road vehicles. It’s also a tough to arrange a big off-road trip in the UK and terrain isn’t that available to us that won’t get you in trouble with local farmers or police. 😂
@@Lloydtriescars Yes, that is exactly why we have to accept it is not for everyone and often a very poor choice. Doesn't mean those people are wrong. Just that we all like something different. Reason why there are lots of different options for wine, women and song.
You are clearly sitting way too low. Wind the seat up as high as possible so you can rest your elbow down on the windowsill. I am also 5'10" tall and the footrest is not a problem. I now have 17,000 kms of driving across all manner of roads. The steering takes about a week to get used to and you will find if you feed the power in smoothly it will self centre. You mentioned Harry Metcalfe review and I enjoy his reviews, of performance cars, but he was against the Grenadier the moment he got in (or just before) didn't help that he was a paid ambassador and consultant to JLR at the time. This vehicle is a solid live axle vehicle with recirculating ball steering. ie: a truck. This is my Grenadier with zero need to wind the steering wheel from side to side like a fool. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Fw2CnkkcCb4.html
Good to hear from someone in the UK. I really didn’t know if your powdered wigs would give you enough headroom, or maybe the lace cuffs would get caught in the center diff lock control arm. Do the silk pantaloons slide on the leather upholstery? How is the foot-well “hump” when you’re wearing heels? All kidding aside, a lot of the UK reviews seem to be very much looking for a SUV experience (evo and Harry’s being 2 good examples) - and when Ineos does pressers, it seems that the Highlands are kind of more the natural habitat for the Grenadier. There might simply not be a lot of Dave’s in the UK. I don’t know - when I go, it’s just for business in London, so I don’t know how much opportunity you guys have to stretch the Grenadier’s legs, even though it is basically an advertisement on wheels for all things British.
@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc Luckily I am in a little place called Toogoom, in Queensland, Australia. www.google.com.au/maps/place/Toogoom+QLD+4655/@-25.1168933,152.4832403,88994m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x6beb78fc31c431ef:0x400eef17f20ee00!8m2!3d-25.2561515!4d152.6904396!16s%2Fg%2F11bxfgs_4s?entry=ttu And this is my Grenadier. ru-vid.comrLlLfAcESmM
I think you have to remember that in the UK (a fairly small island if you’ve heard of it), there’s a lot of people and not much need for wild off-roading. So most of these things will never step foot off-road. I’d like to do a review of one off-road for sure but when you’re reviewing someone else’s car it’s hard to convince them to let you batter it up and down mountains. So have to settle for road reviews which I’m sure you can understand. 😀👍🏻
@@LloydtriescarsI miiiiiiiiiight have heard of it - aren’t those the guys Mel Gibson beat in the American War for Independence? I get your point (insert giant screaming bald eagle with Burt Reynolds in a cowboy hat on its back, once again establishing the supremacy of USA, USA, USA) - but you have to admit that then you’re not reviewing the Grenadier qua Grenadier - you’re reviewing it as something it’s not intended to be or do. I bought it, and Bryan, and Dave because we are man-children who bought the closest street legal equivalent to a tank, with glorious buttons, virtually limitless off-road capabilities, and all of that packaged in something remarkably comfortable and dependable. So it’s fair to warn the bankers and soccer moms, just so they are aware of the trade-offs - but let’s not pretend that those things are defects or design flaws, or that Ineos should even give a crap. Or maybe your review criteria is just a painful reminder to buyers in the UK that really a moped is sufficient for their off-roading needs. If you don’t mind, there are 3 giant bald eagles waiting for me, Bryan and Dave for a party in the remote wilderness to go honor the memory of Burt Reynolds. At least until our wives say we have to come back inside. Dave - I’m making you an honorary ‘Merican - Australia counts.
The s65 is not “amazing “ 😳😬😆 there awfully unreliable with many common issues that fail prematurely … rod bearings & throttle actuators being just a few … also the interior on them is shocking & even when new they looked so dated . Also they don’t even make the claimed “420bhp” too & by todays standards there not fast at all
I mean you’re very much entitled to your opinion, but every engine has its problems. I’m only going to judge it based on a good healthy engine, and it’s a great engine. 😂
@@Lloydtriescars the issues on the s65 are well known & many engine builder will tell you how fragile these engines actually are . I was warned from different mechanics as well to these these e92 m3 a wide birth & after driving one I was in no hurry to buying one . Overrated very underwhelming money pit.
@@Lloydtriescars I think you are missing the point & deliberately ignoring otherwise you have zero knowledge at all with the s65 plus it’s not my opinion it’s facts. Go & research about the s65 & you will clearly see for yourself how fragile & troublesome these cars actually are . Plus they don’t even make the claimed 420bhp too with majority only making around 380 when on a dyno & it’s one reason why they are not even a fast car at all too
It is charming, but it says on the badge on the front “Built On Purpose” - so you should review it against the use case for which it’s built. The steering is not an homage to LR nostalgia - it’s meant not to break and to keep you in one piece when you are doing unnatural things in places you probably shouldn’t be, and the driver of a normal vehicle would never in their right minds even consider. And then yes, despite the fact you are breaking a number of laws of physics, you think to yourself PRECISELY the thing you said it doesn’t deliver - “hmm - this is a nice drive. It’s not supposed to be, but in the Grenadier, it is.” There are two kinds of buyers - those who use it for the purpose for which it’s built, and those who buy it for the nostalgia factor, but are just using it as a “normal vehicle.” The second group say the trade-offs might be too much - the first group think they got exactly what they wanted, with no tradeoffs at all. When owners of the new Defender approach me about mine, and want to see how the seat feels or what the buttons feel like when they push them, and IMMEDIATELY start asking about recentering on turns, I ask them how they are using their Defenders. 9 out of 10 times, what they really want is a certain “look,” but I can tell the Grenadier won’t be right for them. But for the right one, it’s a match made in heaven. Well, in Hambach France, if we’re trying to be geographically accurate.
Yeah all valid points, but I think in reality most of these trucks will never step foot off-road, so I didn’t really think it would be that relevant to take it off-road. It’s already assumed that it will go places most cars won’t, but at £80,000 for a well specced car I think it’s out of reach of the common farmer. So thought I best assess it based on a road car. Again, as you quite rightly say, these things will mostly spend time on the road. I also will point out I didn’t say the steering was an “homage” to Land Rover, but it does handle very similarly to a Defender 😀👍🏻 I take it you are an owner of a Grenadier?
@@LloydtriescarsI am an owner. I was lucky enough to drive some of the test series, pre-production, and just thought it delivered an unreal, almost supernatural off-road experience. I tested it in some pretty challenging terrain, and it was just so unflappable - really tough climbs, rocks, wading - took it all in stride with zero drama (and in those cases, the steering was BRILLIANT). It continues to meet and exceed my expectations, and that with a certain, shall we say “Rubenesque” grace (she is big boned). So I don’t really think you reviewed it on the criteria for which it’s built - on the other hand, you probably provided a public service by providing fair warning to bankers and suburban moms who are just looking to be the first on the block to have one. Caveat emptor
Right on, I ordered one because its the single toughest production trail machine you can buy. It has the durability for long, hard wheeling with out breaking, and for our out door life style and living off-grid its perfect. But its true, if you are buying this just to be cool and drive on the street, it may not please you the way a light duty vehicle like Four Runner, Land Cruiser, New Defender, Bronco ect. But if you have spent the hours I have replacing IFS parts on the trail, you may want one!
It may be the best sound but its not the best engine. My m57 is better it has 440hp with 800nm with a hybrid turbo in the same chassie 😊❤ never misses a beat 155k miles
I own a 1 previous owner, 2013 LCI, mineral white, 6 speed manual with only 17k miles. Looks & feels like a brand new car. Few subtle mods. Ohlins R&T coil overs, AP big brake kit, Recaro CS seats, lightweight mono block wheels, Modstock 1.75 exhaust. The car is literally perfect. I’m completely obsessed with it & it’s the one I’ll never sell. It’s perfection. It shares a stable with my 2014 C63 AMG edition 507. Peak M & peak AMG😎
Great review! Bought one of these 6 months ago after years of chasing "latest-greatest" and having my head wrapped around numbers and 0-60 times. Cars have become pretty fast nowadays - even a bone stock M340i is silly fast. However they lack the excitement and the drama that the E92 M3 S65 engine and chassis can provide. Absolute gem to drive and enjoy. You just have to put your ego aside that even some non-special models nowadays are quicker accelerating. I just wish mine was a manual, looks a touch more fun! : )
Great video. Very happy with my manual, low mileage, '08 E92 M3 which I bought last September. That V8 never fails to put a smile on my face. This era I think really was the high point for sports saloons/coupes as the Audi B7 RS4 & the C63 AMG Merc are also brilliant. The modern equivalents may be faster but don't really do it for me.
And the other thing that’s nice about them too Geoff is that you could use them everyday even now! You’re a very lucky guy with your low mileage example. Absolute future classic.
