They always twist the debate into a posture where people defending a clear and unambiguous teaching are treated as (1) "afraid of free thought." People who defend Orthodoxy inside Orthodoxy are intellectually timid who simply cling to a rote teaching and they supposedly have no real historical, theological, biological or social reasons to support the Orthodox rule. (2) unwilling to give others credit for a sincere desire to advance the Faith. Example: If we know that the heretic has served well in one capacity or another why can't we give them "benefit of the doubt." I think that Sr. Vassa displays a very strong trait in females: An in ability to draw a clean line between acceptable and unacceptable IF any human might be disappointed by that distinction or ("horrors") made "uncomfortable. Related to that is a revulsion of the idea of imposing negative and permanent consequences on improper, or immoral behavior. It is the emotional weakness of the female mind and it is why women should not be clergy.
We do have all the answers. All of them. She should be dismissed from any holy order. Her intellectual hubris is astounding. "Smart" people have questions. No they don't, they are not smart, they are in love with the approval of the World. This comes from Satan. He makes the World very seductive. This silly woman doesn't have enough real work to do.
She is the very face of H.E.R.E.S.Y. Notice she mentions that her opinions are intelligible to "thinking people." See, she is smarter than the average bear and YOU are the average bear and she is going to reconstruct your church for you. I have no problem defending the position that homosexuality is evil and bad for individuals and for the Church. NOTE: Illicit sexual desires come in all shapes and sizes; it is our job to control our sexual desires no to become a slave to them. I don't care what some "scholar" living in his/her bubble thinks/believes because they they are are superior to the Church Fathers.
This is nothing new. I was a catechumen in Boston back in 1991. The church I attended openly served the Eucharist to practicing gay couples. There were four catechumens at the time. Two of them were a gay couple. Obviously I didn’t hang around. Mark 9:42.
He did answer it clearly. Scripture and Tradition hold, sexual relations between husband and wife (male and female). Genders aren't suppose to wear the clothing of the opposite, man is not to lay with man(same would be true for women). There isn't even a point that could be made to entertain the idea that LGTBQ is acceptable. God is God and sin is sin.
Because Orthodoxy considers that there are only two acceptable ultimate callings for people, 1) The martyrdom of marriage and 2) The martyrdom of monasticism, it should be by a lot harder to push this agenda. Monasticism, at least at the first level is actually canonically prescribed for all unmarried people by the age of 40. I'll look for the canon but is says that if someone isn't married by age 30 they should be urged to become a monk, by age 35 strongly encouraged and by age 40 compelled. Unmarried Orthodox are de facto monks. In Roman Catholicism there is an unmarried, non-monastic vocation.
Forcing some categories of humans to live outside the Church is also problematic as it leaves them in an existence completely outside any moderating and stabilising influence of the faith even though they may sincerely believe but are not able to change their ontology.
The two guys boasting that their father and father-in-law were Orthodox priests and that they are graduates from Orthodox seminaries reminds me of something John the Forerunner said that I will tweak and paraphrase: "It is not enough to say, "My father is Orthodox. God can take stones and make them Orthodox. You must bring forth the fruits of repentance." (adopted from Matt. 3:9-10)
In true Orthodoxy there is no LGBT agenda. It's only one agenda and it is called Jesus Christ. Any true Orthodox believer knows that, so why those talks? A waste.
- то није дозвољено нити у једној вјери и то 0.0 //нула зарез нула процената - као свештеник не можеш нити мало попустити - јер ко си ти овуда да ти пишеш законе //шта си то бог, месија, божији човјек, пророк и имаш овлашења мијењати библију - ти нико и ништа дао си си овлашења мијењати библију а ја и ако би релативно и могао нећу _ не постоји вјера када ти сам себи напишеш законе који ти се допадају _ - онда ниси синхрон са "божијим духом" и нећеш никада ни бити - а када ниси - нема ти проповијед јачину своју и вјера опада ма гдје да идеш //не примају ти твоју ријеч проповједи на срце него то виде као ето или као глупост - и онда оду кући и не знају гдје су били - и шта можеш урадити на то - та не можеш ништа зато што си будала био а не божији свештеник _ но ваша невоља је у томе да ја вас јако добро чујем када је и када није
I knew it I knew it once The Outsiders the converse from modernity came into the Orthodox Church then they would bring the very poison which killed their churches and now they're bringing it to us they should all be excommunicated and thrown out of the church . They should repent if not excommunicated in thrown out as simple as that Lord Jesus save us
They come to the Orthodox faith saying that they found the true church and now they're polluting it trying to make it conform to the thoughts of this world God help us!!
Interesting that toward the beginning it was quoted "there's no point in going to the Fathers about this because they have a dim view of sex anyway", and yet it is the Fathers who are pillars of the Tradition by which there is a claimed, unfaltering stance. If the stance of Tradition, of which the Fathers are foundations, is unfaltering, then the church must go back to maintaining an equally dim view of sex in general, and there are many who do, but the many who have tried to have a more balanced view of sex, whilst holding tightly to an "unfaltering" Tradition against homosexuality, are being disingenuous by holding the unfaltering view on one side, but the shifting view on the other. You can't have both.
How heartbreaking. This is such a sad sign of the times. And yet it’s an old old spirit that says “I know better than God!” . 🐍Repentance begins at the House of God. May God have mercy. Church have courage 🙏🏼☦️❤️
I love what the makers of this video used for the music in this film. It is the overture to Rossini's "The Thieving Magpie"! Which is EXACTLY what these this LGTB agenda IS! It slips into Orthodoxy in disguise and secretly tries to switch things aroubd without being noticed, like a thief!
You people get on my last nerve. There is no homosexual agenda. We just want to be respected and loved like heterosexuals. I believe that the church will stand in judgement before God for the way they have treated gays. There is so much blood on the church’s hands, and I believe that blood calls out to God the way the Abel’s blood called out to God. So many wonderful and loved people have committed suicide because of Christians like you.
Based. Catholicism just got destroyed (blessing of gay unions), Orthodoxy is next! Then is Islam - Iran and Pakistan recognize trans people for decades!
Thanks for this. As a Queer affirming Christian very interested in Orthodoxy, this video helped steered me towards like-minded thinkers in the Orthodox tradition! Blessings.
Hello : ) Merry Christmas with the old calendar. I get that you may be in a difficult position, but if I may (not that I'm worthy to respond to you) but in orthodoxy, we don't rely on the academics but people of God, our saints and church fathers. Recent saints like saint Paisios have their views recorded which of course allign with previous church saints as the Holy Spirit is the same then and now and truth is objective and unchangeable. Let me know if I can help.
"Oriental" Orthodox Is Wrong!!!! Eastern Orthodoxy Is The One Truth And One True Church!!!☦️ Homosexuality Is A Sin! Should Not Be Accepting In Any Church! Ecumanism Is Wrong! Oriental Orthodox Is Wrong!
Let's start with the first point is Scholaticism Eastern Orthodox? It is not it is Roman Catholic. To what extent are we to confirm to the world? The Scripture is clear -- none. Furthermore, who in the Orthodox Church is venerated scholars or saints? Saints, there are no icons of academians. How does one become a saint? Through prayer not study. So why would someone who is Orthodox go to a scholar to get an answer to this when one can go to an elder in Mount Athos who hears directly from God? Especially when the Bible tells us to beware of the scribes and Pharisees who studied the law but failed to practice Nepsis or the prayer of the heart. The Scripture is also very clear that fornication is not consistent with holiness and excusing fornication has nothing to do with the love of Christ.
We really should be careful to distinguish between Scholasticism (upper-case S) and scholasticism (lower-case s). While they have overlap, they are different. The Byzantine Empire (and elsewhere) had a wealth of scholars, many of whom are glorified as saints today. While we are not rationalists or Thomistic Scholastics proper, neither are we anti-intellectual. Look at the likes of the Apostle Paul, Dionysius the Areopagite, Justin the Philosopher, the Cappadocian Fathers, Boethius, Cyril of Alexandria, John of Damascus, Maximus the Confessor, Gregory Palamas, Mark of Ephesus, Nicodemus the Hagiorite, and countless others. All learned scholars; all glorified saints, and not least _because_ of their scholarship, rightly ordered to glorify God in his Church. The Church has never been and never will be anti-intellectual, though it will have us put human intellect in its proper place.
@@HickoryDickory86 I agree there is nothing wrong with being a Biblical scholar in and of itself ,but it must be grounded in humility and it should not be treated authoritatively as the opinion of Orthodoxy. One can be an Orthodox scholar without being Orthodox themselves if one reads sufficient amount of material in regards to Orthodoxy. An Orthodox Theologian can also be a scholar but the approach of the Theologian us different as it is centered around and has starting point in prayer and Divine Revelation. Gregory Palamas was a scholar but he was also a Theologian. I am personally a very intellectual person and I know many good Orthodox Christians who are intellectual so would agree that Orthodoxy is certainly not anti-intellectual.
Im new to Orthodoxy and still learning what the Church teaches, but at my Church the Priest is not clear in this matter, he kind of seems weary to talk about this and reads books by homosexual author's and in favor with this. We got into a conversation about this and a slight disagreement therefore I had to ask him, does the Orthodox Church believe homosexuality is acceptable? He kind of came to his senses and said," No the Orthodox Church does not believe this is acceptable to God." We ended it there.
1 Corinthians 1:26 For consider your calling, brothers and sisters, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; 27 but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28 and the insignificant things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, 29 so that no [ad]human may boast before God. 30 But it is [ae]due to Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, 31 so that, just as it is written: “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
There is no mention of scripture, but only people's perspective or feeling's or emotions on the subject. I would not be following Christ and His Church if I followed my passion's. I had to Repent and begin to Battle my flesh and stay close to God through His Church he established. It's a life long struggle.
