That's a very reasonable point!!

Yes, definitely!

Infinite Justice ja nai, Athrun Zala da!!!

Watch the video dude

I see - could you clarify?

I don't agree with everything you say, but certainly I do get where you're coming from

@@theoutluke May I ask where you disagree? Not trying to start an argument, I'm just curiouse. And I see that it didn't keep the added line I put in when I edited it. Had a 11th point where I wrote how Sasuke activly/deliberatly kept Sakura in the dark, cause he didn't view her as important/skilled enough to be let in on their counter attack plan (when they and Naruto, Kakashi and Obito were the only ones who were able to help at the time). I can't remember if you were the one who mentioned the moment of Sakura hitting Kaguya, sorry if it wasn't, but if it was, I had planned to mention in my original reply, that while yes, that was a big moment for Sakura, and a important moment for the plot/story, I'm personally just not able to relish in the moment as: 1) It's a fight where up to then, Naruto/Sasuke had gotten to be the ones showing off/doing all the other work (of course only they can realistically go up against her, but if Sakura could punch the final main/big boss once, I feel Kishimoto could have shown her doing that more - or do other stuff to help give Sasuke/Naruto a shot - . Instead I can only remember her thinking/focusing on Sasuke and how he doesn't care for her/her safety, if I remember correctly - it been some years since I read it - ). 2) It one of the fights where she doesn't get to be part of the finishing blow (Kishimoto should have given her something to be able to actually seal Kaguya as well I feel, if only temorarely, (in order to get team 7 upon the same ground). And 3) This whole situation only happened, cause Kishimoto put Sakura in a moment where he couldn't let her succseede, and so she fails to stab Obito's eye when that could have prevented everything and stopped the war right there. Giving Sakura yet another failure moment while "ranking" Naruto/Sasuke up to gods. I just feel that if Kishimoto needed to put her in a situation were she needed to fail, at least have Black Zetsu fight back, or control Obito and have him try to stop her, instead of just sitting there and telling her to quickly do it now as nothing/noone is stopping her. Edit: sorry, found a bunch of spelling mistakes (autocorrect constantly thinking I meant something else).

I forgot, what were his words?

That's fair - I don't think they're catchier or more melodious than Puccini, but I can see what you mean!

Why doesn't he do that? His spirit is broken

⁠@@theoutluke someone with a broken spirit wouldn’t have told Luffy that he’s going to be the King of the Pirates the first time he meets him. Your analysis is pretty good, but I’ve gotta agree with that guy’s comment. His powers have limitless potential, he clearly still wants to achieve his goal of becoming king of the pirates, but he apparently won’t use the full extent of his abilities because he’s just lying about wanting to be king of the pirates? No matter how I break it down it’s terrible character writing

That's a very interesting point, ngl

Naruto stopped chasing Sasuke like halfway into Shippuden

Well that was part of it definitely, which I can't really blame him for since that's basically Sugar's ability. However, the way he abandoned the Tontattas...

Yes, I completely agree. Thanks for your comment :)

Let's hope - along with storylines for Shanks, the giants, Robin, Saul, and most likely Kid. It'll be a Dressrosa-esque arc with the number of characters that need their shine

Let's hope - along with storylines for Shanks, the giants, Robin, Saul, and most likely Kid. It'll be a Dressrosa-esque arc with the number of characters that need their shine

Personally I wouldn't mind that, I think he desperately needs it

@@theoutluke I can see that, but the point is that people have already been complaining that the arc was long. But I get what your saying and I agree with it too.

That's a fair enough rebuttal!

I like Chopper (and his arc in Punk Hazard especially!) but in WCI and Wano he kind of felt like a plot device. I mean, let's face it: he's immediately able to heal Luffy's borderline fatal wounds post Katakuri fight, he makes antidotes to both of Queen's viruses at a ridiculous pace before anyone dies. Despite this, he seemingly makes no effort to fix the Smile fruit issue?...

@@theoutluke Luffy healing his fatal wounds has always been a thing. Or do you forget post Crocodile fight? Post Lucci fight? And so? And with Queen's virus: 1_ In the first case it's because the virus was very simple and Chopper have at that moment much more time because they have conquered Udon 2_ In the second case the virus was may more complex but what Chopper do was only to duplicate the pre-exiting antidote that Queen already made Comparing this to Smile fruits (a much more complicated case that was out of Chopper domain) is really unfair

That's fair, but wouldn't you say there are better ways to develop a character than show him go through more or less the same arc in every major storyline he's a part of?

@@theoutluke I don't disagree with you on that. Maybe Oda sees it like I do, or it could be like you say and he "forgot" about Usopp aka doesn't care anymore. But there could be a third way: I like your interpretation of Usopp as THE character that we as "normals" can relate the most to. Could it be that Oda purposely chose this stagnant development for Usopp as a symbol for how hard it can be for everyone of us to change? Falling back into old patterns even if you want to become better is pretty relatable... But in the end it might be like you said :D

That's a very interesting point, I hadn't thought of that before... could very well be the case! :D

Brook says a joke every scene he’s in at this point it just pisses me off

@@sword3197and it’s the same jokes

SKULL JOKE

I disagree that Robin needs to hit Luffy, not really her character

Fair

He did in the manga ! I read manga only but I remember that

Nope, he absolutely says it in the manga. Check chapter 995

Yeah i just re-read the chap, didnt remember it, sorry

No worries!

True

@@theoutluke it's very nice that there are people like you. people just will just make up misconceptions about the series just because they want to. people don't want answers really, if they did, videos like this would perform much better than the ones that gain millions where the person talking has close to no knowledge about what they're saying but can say with very much confidence how "Naruto is a hypocrite"

Thanks for your comment - it's for people like you that I made this vid

Yes - agree with basically everything you said. I do wish that she (and Robin) got more time to shine in fights after the time skip, so let's hope she gets to do something in the final saga:)

@@theoutluke I mean we understand that Oda is trying to wait for the right moment for Nami and Robin to have more time and shine in fights. But you we had to understand that most Straw Hat members are not fighters in physical terms. Nami and Robin are very vulnerable and lack much durability but rely and utilize on their own skills to get through in their battles. Both aren't much as front-line fighters like Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji does. There is a differences between close-range, mid-range, and long-range class fighters.

That's a fair enough assessment - and Nami (and Robin for that matter) does very well considering that.

Exactly!! 😭

OP vid coming next month dw

Naw I'm good, but thanks for the invitation!

@@theoutluke No prob lol, feel free to come on anytime in the future if you change your mind^

I'll defs let you know :))

Hey, thanks a ton!

Hey thanks for the exposure lol I saw that your initial reactions to the video were not entirely positive, but what did you think overall? Any feedback is highly welcome :)

@@theoutluke Yea it was a good video lol, we went into it with the mindset of crapping all over it as you saw, because of the title/thumbnail :P So we were definitely being WAY over specific pedantic nonsense, but the bit is that we diehard defend Naruto to our dying breaths as much as humanely possibly because it is an objectively perfect divine 10/10 so we do not forgive such slanderous traitorous actions! XD But like half way through the video you COMPLETELY switched it up which threw us for the BIGGEST loop, LOL. Ultimately we realized you don't actually think that, but were just presenting the idea and then providing your own thoughts on it after... LOL. But on a real note, no, we don't think Rock Lee ruined Naruto :P

@@theoutluke we're just idiots who actually agree with you but just took forever to get to your actual points XD

Nah honestly that's okay, it's also kinda on me for putting such an inflammatory title lmao And yeah, I'm 100% on your side when you say you want to defend Naruto to your dying breath. There are so many unwarranted, unjustified, and unresearched takes that just shit on the series for no good reason, and it frustrates me to no end. I'm glad we agree and that we've found some common ground :))

@@theoutluke yeeeeeees thank you ahahaha and so many creators that have been so harmful to the sentiment of the series like plague of gripes nc hammer and dygo, no offense to them personally, well some of them xd

Thanks for your comment! You have a lot of phenomenal points, so I will address each of them in turn. "She develops when Sasuke goes away but goes full circle back when he's reintroduced." - I'm glad that you understand she develops, unfortunately not everyone can see that. As for your second point, I disagree: while she does not always possess the mental fortitude to always go through with her decisions, she's far from the girl who was once extremely abusive to Naruto. I would not call her development full circle. "She has those moments that never go anywhere, for example she cut her hair with all this mystical and symbolic energy and what?" - I must have missed the mystical and symbolic energy in the action of hair-cutting, but as I mention there is a lot of symbolic significance (not energy) associated with hair cutting, at least in Japanese culture. "That didn't cause her to start training or working on herself, she doesn't change after the exam, she does only after the failure to retrieve Sasuke." - I would not disagree with this. However, the interesting thing is that it is this inaction that racks her with guilt and makes her spring into action; of not having been able to do anything of value to help the cohesion of her team. "He's her only goal, her world revolves around him and I find it awful, she didn't become a medic for herself, she did it because it was an opportunity because Tsunade was a medic and coult teach her." - While I can see where you're coming from, I also don't believe it's just about Sasuke. I would argue that it's more about keeping Team 7 together as the family that it once was. She's not just learning healing for Sasuke, she's also learning it for Naruto, and for herself, so that she can one day stand side by side with both of them and not be left behind and totally reliant. "What happened to her being the genjutsu prodigy?" - While I understand where this is coming from, but this is a massive misconception. There are only three times in the entire story where Sakura fights Genjutsu on an individual level. 1. Kakashi in the bell test. She gets stunlocked immediately. 2. Konoha Crush. Sakura blocks the Genjutsu of the Sand Shinobi, and Kakashi remarks that it was a good idea of him to have taught her Genjutsu at the Bell Test. I would say this is more of a payoff of 1. than a setup. 3. Sasuke right before the second Valley of the End fight. Sakura is not trying to fight back so she gets stunlocked immediately. From what I've seen, 1. and 2. are most often used as examples of setting up Sakura as a Genjutsu user. The problem is, if the Bell Test set Sakura up to be a Genjutsu prodigy, then by the same logic it was also a setup for Naruto to be a Taijutsu prodigy. The Konoha Crush example is more relevant, but again by the same logic Shikamaru is a Genjutsu prodigy since he also managed to block it. What this really boils down to, and what Kishimoto builds up through the Land of Waves arc and Chunin Exams, is that Sakura is simply very good at fine chakra control, even if she is the most basic of jutsus. In addition, her level of chakra control is most likely better used in healing jutsus than in Genjutsu (where ocular techniques reign supreme), but you are free to disagree. "Kakashi didn't teach her anything throughout their time as a team" - This is not correct - the only thing Ninjutsu related that Kakashi ever teaches Team 7 is how to climb trees, which Sakura participates in. What you are trying to say is that Kakashi never teaches her anything individually, which is valid (or at least, this is true for on-screen events, we don't know what happened during the timeskip). However, as a rebuttal it is reasonable that he never does so: after all, Sakura has access to Tsunade, who by default is always in the village. Sasuke on the other hand needed Kakashi's help specifically (Chunin Exams and the Curse Mark), and Naruto's teacher Jiraiya is MIA most of the time. "You say that she'd be Kurenai 2.0 but that's when you write her to be able to use that weaker genjutsu in smart ways to level it up" - Again this is quite valid, but it boils down to how much you genuinely want her to be a Genjutsu prodigy. If she is good at fine chakra control (as demonstrated in almost every major arc during the pre-timeskip), then she might as well do something that nobody else on the team can do. "Kishi pulled so many things out of his ass already and broke his own world rules" - While logical inconsistencies is applicable to every Shonen series of the time (One Piece, Bleach, Fairy Tail), Naruto suffers more from an insane power creep rather than actual contradictions in established world rules.

@@theoutluke Oh yeah, she definitely develops and can be very likeable, her constant violence is played off for humor and that's fine but it might just be a little too much to the point of it affecting how people view her. And as for circle back, I meant specifically her just tunnel visioning Sasuke like she was in part 1. Come on man, I wasn't being sarcastic there. That moment was built up to be huge, she got this big scene with white background focusing on the cut hair etc. That's what I meant and as soon as it started, it was gone. "Mystical energy" wasn't literal. Yes, she went through that inaction in the forest itself. She did defend her team with courage but that wasn't enough, she had to be saved by nearly every single Konoha rookie. That should be the spark that caused her to work on herself, not further inaction, she should feel that guilt already, even after the Zabuza arc actually there should be some mention of her acknowledging she didn't really do much to help the fight and should probably start working on that of fear of falling very far behind. This is irrelevant to what I'm saying, Kakashi acknowledges that she has this potential but never works on it with her. Him messing with her on the bell test doesn't count as teaching her, what I'm saying is that she's stated to have this fantastic chakra controi that she could use in clever ways but it goes nowhere untill Tsunade shows up. Sakura never gets a specific, identifying/personal technique like every single other ninja, genjutsu or otherwise. I'm guessing it's because Sasuke ended up getting genjutsu and Sakura was left forgotten by the author. As much as I love Kakashi, he is the worst teacher of the entire show, the man is the copy ninja, said to know 1000 jutsus and he couldn't find few to teach to his team and instead shows them the most basic chakra control? I get that they do need to know this but that's when you should slow down with the story to show them actually training (like Naruto in part 2 with his rasen shuriken). Plus Sakura didn't even need this lesson as she did it immediatelly pretty much on her own, hell she's the one who explained it to the other two. I don't find it reasonable that he's just abandoning 2 of his teammates to find other teachers because he's busy with the third one. If Jirayia and Tsunade were busy, Sakura and Naruto would be in trouble and Sakura definitely was, had no identity for a good while and had no idea what to do with herself and I think it's sad and not her fault at all. Though not stated for sure, we can assume Kakashi barely even seen Sakura during the time skip as his first words to her when he shows up in part 2 was something along of "Didn't see you for a long while". The Kurenai thing is just an example, I don't care much if Sakura got the genjutsu or not, it's about her having an identity of some sort instead of her just sitting in the background. Just write a way for her to have some kind of style, I get that she's supposed to be the basic, relatable girl but come on. I'm a girl and I could not relate in the slightest. Power creep is a huge issue, I completely agree but I still think there's rules broken. Kakashi and his sharingan are a great example, in part 1 he used his eye against Zabuza and was out for few days. Keep in mind, he had that eye for a good while and was a Sasuke like prodigy when young so we can assume he trained a lot and having no Uchiha teacher, he mastered it on his own which is very impressive. Setting it up for the defense of "there was a time skip". Well after said time skip he has mangekyou all of a sudden and can use Kamui after a long setup, crazy power up but fine, he still get's tired and has to be carried back home from Gaara arc. Later he uses that thing non stop with barely any issues other than running out of chakra. There's other things like barely any hand signs which became more of an inconvienience to the showrunners than anything, remember how water dragon jutsu had like 30 of them and was supposed to be one of the most powerful techniques? It's a joke now but that's the power creep issue you mentioned. Anyway, sorry for the long reply but it's nice to have a conversation and I hope I didn't come out as rude and dismissive. Cheers!

"Come on man, I wasn't being sarcastic there..." - Yes, I can agree with this. The moment was Sakura's first (arguably second) big character moment, and while it was quite okay to begin with, it fell flat a bit quickly. "Yes, she went through that inaction in the forest itself..." - Yes, I agree with you here, at least mostly. Sakura, understandably but unfortunately, has a tendency to take the backseat in a lot of arcs. We have to remember that immediately after we have the Chunin Exams and Konoha Crush, we have the Tsunade arc and the Sasuke retrieval arc, the former of which Sakura is not present in, and the latter of which Sakura is barely present in. It is certainly unfortunate that she is not present in these arcs, and it does not do wonders for her reputation as a character either. "This is irrelevant to what I'm saying..." - I think it is actually very relevant, because these select few moments are basically the only moments in the entire series where Sakura is confronting a Genjutsu head-on. To take these select moments (when frankly she never even puts a Genjutsu on anybody) and infer that Sakura is set up to be a Genjutsu "prodigy", is a bit of a reach, don't you think? However, I would agree with you if you felt that Sakura and Genjutsu (in general, not about her being a prodigy) was a dropped plot point that never went anywhere. It is something that I can personally reconcile, but it is something that I do with a little effort. In addition, I absolutely agree with the rest of your point here that Kakashi could definitely have worked on something with her, period. In my opinion he's a very well written character, but a rather biased teacher. "The Kurenai thing is just an example..." - Sure, I had never thought about it this way but I 100% understand. To be fair, most of Naruto's and Sasuke's techniques are inherited from their teachers, but now that you mention it Sakura's the only one whose techniques are basically just a copy-paste of Tsunade's. In that sense, if she had been a medic-illusionist, that would have been fire XD "Power creep is a huge issue..." - Yeah, that's a fair interpretation. While I can see why you'd refer to Kakashi's extensive Sharingan usage (in the War Arc, I assume) as rulebreaking, I still kind of see it as a kind of powercreep where everyone's chakra reserves just exponentially increased to the point of ridiculousness. Lastly, you absolutely did not come off as rude. Even if we disagree on some issues, I really appreciate that you are willing to engage with my arguments in good faith.

@@theoutluke The genjutsu thing, I didn't explain myself correctly. I always thought calling her a prodigy meant that she has capability to learn such techniques because they were tied to the ninja being able to control chakra so well and didn't depend on her facing genjutsu. But that's literaly just my own headcannon, I have a sneaky suspicious sharingan was never meant to have anything to do with genjutsu but that we'll never know. I completely agree with the Tsunade copy-paste, Sakura really needed some kind of twist or addon! And power creep, yeah that's a fair point. Chakra was never a number and it was always working wonky, they ran out of it when the plot needed to stop them and Naruto gained it back when he needed it to reappear. The techniques themselves grew to crazy levels, the main characters are no longer ninja but demigods. Always funny to think that back then people like Hiruzen were considered crazy strong but if you put him against some of the modern villains, ouch. This was fun, thank you also for this discussion :)

And even these power scalers forget that she blitzed Big Mom and Ulti

No she's not. Not only do Luffy and Robin exist, but Sanji and Jinbei can navigate and you don't need the world's best navigator to tread the water, just a good one. They can find this anywhere... including in Sanji and now jinbei. People just like Nami, how she looks, and the fact a lot of fans are came off a Sakura hatred high and never simmered down.

@@agreatmannamedlieu another illiterate that go against the author. Nami is above EVERYONE in importance for OP, everything I connect to her. Imu, Joy Boy, 2nd Sovereign, Uranus, MOON GODDESS, Binks No Sake and Moon Princess, The Road Poneglyph, Each place that had a Road Poneglyph, The Ancient Kingdom. Every plot of One Piece talks about Nami, you don't put to work that brain of yours in regards to nami 🤷

@@agreatmannamedlieu ONLY Luffy can match her and you know why ? Because she is the HEROINE of the story.

Tbf if they had Zoro navigate, they would have accidentally found the One Piece by Arlong Park

The problem is, the number of fans that fixate on the fan service and forget her value as a character is significant

You dislike her more than post-timeskip Usopp?

@@theoutluke I always loved usopp except in water 7 and how irrational he was for the boat

That's interesting; I think Water 7 / Enies Lobby was peak character writing for Usopp.

I am curious, is this the argument you were talking about in your comment reply where you said "I can back it up with much better logic than whatever argument you have in opposition to that view"? You've made a lot of points, so let me dissect them one at a time. "this weird anti fan service woke b.s needs to stop" - I am not sure if you watched the video; I am not against fan service. I quote "If she can kick ass in a bikini and she feels comfortable, I don’t care." (9:20) I don't know why you would call that "weird anti fan service woke b.s." "Women are consuming idealized male super hero who falls in love with them as well. Nobody complains about that kind of fan service. lol" - Again, I have no problem with any kind of fanservice (whether it be from a man or a woman), as long as these parties are comfortable with it. I would complain if these characters were robbed of their bodily autonomy, e.g. Thor in "Thor: Love and Thunder". "Wether women in the anime consents to it or not, it's an anime, so shove your head out of Self rightous behind" - True, One Piece is fiction. However, as people we must understand that attitudes expressed towards certain groups in real life may manifest itself in fiction - and naturally vice versa. As for my "self rightous behind", I shall try my best. "marry 700lbs 50 year old whale looking female to satisfy her needs" - No thanks. "donate all your money and work earnings to charity to save some 3rd world country ppl you'll never meet" - While I do occasionally donate to charity, it is also not uncommon for charities to swindle their donors' money. Hence, it would not only be financially disastrous for me to "donate all [my] money and work earnings to charity", but also ill-advised from a societal point of view. Additionally, I must also prioritize my basic needs before I help others. I hope you understand. "even then you are not morally clear because you could take animals, balance of the world,uninted consequences and etc into consideration to make the claim even that can be considered evil looking from different lens, in fact the most evil thing from some lenses" - I'm not sure what you mean by "uninted" - I will assume you meant to write "unintended". In any case, if I have understood you correctly (which I may not have, in which case please clarify), is your argument that since it is impossible for us to be wholly and utterly just and righteous, we may as well give up? It is precisely this kind of defeatist mentality that allows your so-called "evil" to thrive in the world. "I can argue to deep bilogical philosophical reason why it's not even bad in real life because nothing is bad or good in real life, and everything exists for a reason" - Please enlighten me, I would love to know how those horrific crimes that you mention are neither "bad or good". "all humans are byproduct of people who participated in those things and it is proven in the dna, and in nature exists for a reason(meaning without them us(humans) would have not existed." - While our ancestors may have participated in this abhorrent acts, I believe it is our duty to look back and strive to do better. Just because we would not have existed if it were not for these acts, does not make these acts any less wrong. "I am not saying those things should be legal or allowed" - your previous comments imply otherwise - if you think these things are neither wrong nor right, then why should they be illegal? "I am asking western anime watchers to step down high horses and F off" - It is a great disservice to your argument that you cap if off with a huge assumption. My nationality is Japanese, and my ethnicity is Japanese.

@@theoutluke first of all, you have to realize by the type of argument I am making, I am massively swimming hard against the current of society. Even If I am wrong, it takes much more courage to claim things I say that what you say. If we truly lived in freedom of speech society in which people were not afraid to face criticism no matter how outside the box it was, I could claim my belief about things without getting consequences since I am just saying words, but that does not exist. yes, all thsoe crimes I mentioned exist for a reason. ICutting back on those leads to population decrease, meaning countries who really try to be egalatarian experience population decrease, and even if they are morally sound (which is debatable) in the long run, they will lose to societies who don't care about those issues. what I am saying is that whether me and you like it or not, countries that don't care about women right issues will simply out populate the ones who don't. So, it's not as (oh, it was for our ancestors only) as you think. (even if you say it is not the causation, it strongly correlates) as for why that happens (I don't want to get too deep into it.) just a word of advice, when you think about taboo subjects or taboo people. Take morallity aside a second and just put yourself in the shores people you assume the worst are and try to understand in what pov, you could exacty feel the same way as them. them look at, why would things like that make sense in macro scale even if you disagree with it. Why would genghis khan do certain things. (he did all those crimes I mentioned and more and look at how widespread his dna is.) then we get into moral defeatist altitude thing. I agree with you on this, except I make the claim that someone who is worse than moral defeatist is the one who has strong moral sense. (you don't need me to explain why, look at history of catholics and islam.) usually people who are hyper moral are just intentionally or unintentionally unaware of their own flaws in their morallity. in order for true morallity to exist, one has to do things I mentioned above (marry a whale and etc) but that kind of morallity is anti biology, and all your senese are biological, and since I am atheist, I don't believe in after life. what is the point of me sacrificing my life for the good of others when: 1- I will not get any benefit from it (if not villianized by the same people who claim high morall) 2- people who claim morallity are just same biologically selfish anyway. (in fact, I make the claim all forms of morallity are selfish.) now, why do I do not condone them even if I believe they exist for a reason, and I don't perceive them as good or bad. because truely deconstructing the whole thing will not be good for survival and reproduction of society. religion and morallity (Though complete B.S for fixing what they claim) exist for a reason. I believe without religion, there wouldn't have been a society. but, we need to heavily upgrade all those religions. (good luck doing that)

I'll address your points in order once again. "first of all, you have to realize by the type of argument I am making, I am massively swimming hard against the current of society. Even If I am wrong, it takes much more courage to claim things I say that what you say." - While I wouldn't necessarily disagree with the courage part, that does not necessarily make you wrong or right (but you have addressed that already, so it's fine). "yes, all thsoe crimes I mentioned exist for a reason. ICutting back on those leads to population decrease, meaning countries who really try to be egalatarian experience population decrease, and even if they are morally sound (which is debatable) in the long run, they will lose to societies who don't care about those issues." - I personally find it troubling how you think the aforementioned crimes "exist for a reason". The phrase implies that there is a good reason for these actions - can you expand on that more? Additionally, I would also like to ask how it is "debatable" that egalitarianism is morally sound. "what I am saying is that whether me and you like it or not, countries that don't care about women right issues will simply out populate the ones who don't." - Is it correct for me to assume that you are male? It is very easy for those who are usually situated in more powerful positions to disregard the struggles of those that are societally less fortunate. How would you feel if the human rights of your mother, your sister, your daughter, were diminished? "just a word of advice, when you think about taboo subjects or taboo people. Take morallity aside a second and just put yourself in the shores people you assume the worst are and try to understand in what pov, you could exacty feel the same way as them." - This depends entirely on the person I am trying to empathize with. It is also possible for me to denounce and condemn their behavior, while simultaneously understanding the structural and societal issues that led to the situation. "them look at, why would things like that make sense in macro scale even if you disagree with it. Why would genghis khan do certain things. (he did all those crimes I mentioned and more and look at how widespread his dna is.)" - The example you mention is a little confusing to me; you mention how such acts are better for society in general, but then mention Genghis Khan who spread HIS genetic material across half of the world. I do not see how that is beneficial for society or the world; in fact I would say that is more selfish than anything. "I agree with you on this, except I make the claim that someone who is worse than moral defeatist is the one who has strong moral sense." - Not necessarily. I would argue that the worst people are not those with a strong sense of morality, but those that enforce those morals on others with an iron fist. I can choose to talk about the negative effects of Nami's fanservice and express my opinions, but it stops there; I do not commit heinous acts for the sake of my morals. "in order for true morallity to exist, one has to do things I mentioned above" - If I understand you correctly, true morality is when I give up my physical and financial autonomy? True morality cannot exist without freedom. "1- I will not get any benefit from it (if not villianized by the same people who claim high morall) 2- people who claim morallity are just same biologically selfish anyway. (in fact, I make the claim all forms of morallity are selfish.)" - Depends on what you mean by selfish. If you mean that it is a self-centred act to be moral, then that is contradictory: being moral is the stark opposite of placing all of your needs and desires over everybody else's. At the same time, self-neglect cannot possibly be considered moral either - it is at times required to step up for yourself and say no, for your own self-preservation. It is not as simple as "all forms of morality are selfish". "now, why do I do not condone them even if I believe they exist for a reason, and I don't perceive them as good or bad. because truely deconstructing the whole thing will not be good for survival and reproduction of society." - So for what reason do these things exist? Surely not just for population control. I think you may be conflating "these things are prone to happen" with "these things are neither good nor bad". They may be easy to confuse, but they are NOT the same. Also, I would just like to ask: in what way do your arguments have anything to do with Nami as a character being disrespected by Oda?

@@theoutluke "Also, I would just like to ask: in what way do your arguments have anything to do with Nami as a character being disrespected by Oda?" I get triggered when western morality tries to step into anime and ruin it and make it woke. already hollywood movies are garbage and it is showing in box office and etc as well comparing to explosive growth of anime. Honestly, anime is the only place where I do not want to think about social issues and just enjoy my primal aspects. (that applies if I was either man or women) I believe the whole concept of religion and morality that is byproduct of religion is an evolutionary mechanism that served past humans to survive and reproduce. In fact everything, "those crimes, any kind of morality and everything humans do or believe" is only about survival and reproduction and nothing more and less. I understand I offer no proof (I've already talked enough and seems you are tired too), so I accept if you disagree. lastly, I apologize if I got triggered and went on a rant. Good luck on your channel. lol For some reason, youtube did not stop recommending me this video which I found weird because despite youtube putting this video on my face for a week, there was not as much views as I expected. I finally gave in, saw one of the comments that was complaining about fan service, and got pissed and went on a rant. lol Also, I will never commit those crimes (unless it was for my survival or my kids), but I believe part of reason those things will never go away because to truly tackle those subjects the whole society needs to step into taboo territory. anyway, sorry and good luck. My opinion about nami has always been meh. she has fan service and all and she is clearly a beautiful women, but she annoying. she would be saying the exact same about me if she was real. lol do not let my somewhat triggered hater comment get in the way of you making more videos. I genuinely hope you do well.

Nah you're all good, don't worry. We all need to get stuff off of our chests sometimes :) Thanks for the best wishes, and the same goes to you!!

Made this for Nami lovers <3

Thanks for your comment - I know Oda's wife was a Nami cosplayer, but I didn't make the connection before I read your comment. It's true, Oda was quoted saying fanservice is fine if the women are in control. I agree with him, and although I will concede that this is usually the case with female characters in general, it is not so often the case with Nami. I'll also concede that the frequency of these events is not extremely high, but I still cannot help but feel as though Oda is doing Nami dirty. While Nami is absolutely one of the more relevant Straw Hats in the post-timeskip, her contributions have undoubtedly diminished since the pre-timeskip. Couple that with the increase in fanservice scenes, and we have ourselves a character who feels more and more like a caricature of the absolutely phenomenal character that she used to be.

even if women in the anime were exclusively there for fan service and no consent was asked, it is okay. (i know i sound ourageous making that claim. but I can back it up with much better logic than whatever argument you have in opposition to that view) but your view is socially accepted, so even though I am right, I will end up being labeled as a villian. lol

@@aminerkin9844 personally I don't really care about fanservice much. as long as it doesn't conflict with the tone or anything like that. its fiction. though Nami's role being mostly relegated to what it is now does really suck.

Massenet's Werther is one of my favourite operas too! So amazingly beautiful