Reminds of the line that doflamingo says “children who have never known peace have different values than children who have never known war.” Pain and naruto are people with similar and different values.
Naruto was right and Pain was wrong. Both Nagato and Jiraiya were similar in their world view. They were too passive to change things. Nagato was okay with continuing the cycle of hatred by destroying Leaf village. While Jiraiya preferred to be Pervy sage and not take on the role of Hokage. Even when he was dying, Jiraiya was despondent at the fact that he did not achieve anything great in life, like the previous hokages. Naruto was the one who inspired them to never give up in changing things for the better. Jiraiya only realised this when he remembered Naruto’s words as he was dying. Naruto did the same thing to Nagato later when he TNJ the person in front of hot Konan. Basically, Naruto instilled courage in both Jiraiya and Nagato - who were too passive to take risks and only relied on their godly powers to achieve big things.
The very sad thing about this world is the peace and justice are the result of the pain and suffering of opposite side that eventually created vengeance ...it's sad when it happens in reality
"We're both just ordinary men, who have been driven to seek vengeance in the name of justice. And if one comes to call vengeance "justice" such justice will only breed further vengeance and trigger a vicious Cycle of Hatred." "Right now we live in such a cycle, I know the past and can foretell our furure, it is the same as our History." I just typed this part out so i can read this everytime I'm brought back to this.
1:25 Almost like your brain expanded like yea what about the rest of the universe? You only worrying your people is basically acting like the same people you so claim have hatred for/disagree with
You don't understand. Pain could've killed Naruto at any moment here. But he couldn't, because his objective was to capture Naruto and get out the 9 tails. Pain was leagues above Naruto, even when he was weakened after soloing entire Konoha.
That's a fact man ! I was watching some news about Israel x Palestine, and Pain's spech was the first thing that came to my mind. Cycle of hatred in our reality is endless!
Although Pain explains how people can never truly understand each other, at least I can truly understand you in this regard. I am here for the same reason
Imagine if Naruto took a direction of pain telling Naruto to find him in 10years and see if he can change his mind. Kakashi staying dead, the village in disarray, Naruto feeling like Sasuke, and Sasuke realizing and telling Naruto that revenge isn't worth it...
4:06 once you meteor nuke a city because off greed, you lose the right to speak as if you got good intentions :P i LOVE this entire scene, its prop the bestt in the show. when pain explains its so perfectly showing human hypocritcy
To bad parts of naruto were gay like when choijie lived and shouldve died.. made me quit on naruto.. Characters like that dying wouldve made the anime so so much better!! The fourth great ninja war showing all the characters who died wouldve been so much absolutely better!!
Right now even if he won’t admit it or rejects it Naruto actually agrees with pain, he actually states it when he screams “ I’m first going to kill you “ . He screams that because of all the people Pain killed and wants revenge like Pain
“I know the past and can foretell the future… human beings simply can’t understand each other and they never will” The pain arc for me will forever be the namek version of this show it was peak and definitive our heroes faced their truths and accepted but didn’t let those past actions define them goated arcs
You asked me why I'm doing all this? But even if I told you why, I doubt very strongly that the knowledge would change anything at all but let's just say that I take the time to explain it to you. What do you think would happen then? My goal is to fulfill the dream even Jiraya sensei was unable to achieve that is to create peace and bring about justice. Oh I see that is noble of you that would be justice. However what about my family? My friends, my village they suffered the same fate as this village at the hands of you hidden leaf ninja. How's it fair to let only you people preach about peace and justice once the land of fire and the hidden leaf had grown too big to protect the national interests. They forced feudal clans to wage war against each other and profited from it otherwise the people of the villages would've starved as it happened our little nation and its villages became the battlefield where the great nations waged through war each time they did our nation was ravaged and laid to waste after many such battles the great nations stabilized but our smaller nation suffered and barely recovered. You and I are both seeking the very same thing we both want to achieve the peace that jiraya sensei envisioned, you and I are the same, we’re both motivated by our desire for peace and justice. The justice that I have delivered against the leaf village is no different from what you are trying to do to me. Everyone feels the same pain in losing something dear, you and I both have experience that same pain. You strive for your justice and I strive for mine we’re both just ordinary men who have been driven to seek vengeance in the name of justice and if comes call vengeance justice such justice will only breed further vengeance and trigger a vicious cycle of hatred, right now we live in such a cycle. I know the past and can foretell our future it is the same as our history so we believe that Human beings simply cannot understand each other and they never will that the shinobi world is ruled by hatred and hatred alone. So naruto how would u confront this hatred in order to create peace? I want to know what your answer…..
I truly understand Pain because I realized that I'm Pain in real life. His beliefs is so similar to mine that it's gives me chills. Pain is not a full fledged villain. He is lost and just needed to be guided back on the right path. I think we all need a Naruto in our lives to remind us of the good that still lives inside of us.
Ironic that people marvel about how Naruto didn't have an answer to Pain. Yet they want Sasuke to just bend to his will. While criticizing Sasuke's plan Naruto never even said what he would do if the villages seperated after the war. Sasuke: I'll become the force to unite everyone. Naruto: You're out of touch. The villages are already united! Sasuke: That's because they have a common enemy in the Akatsuki whom they couldn't defeat alone. Eventually they will seperate & go back to fighting each other. Naruto: But what about after you die? Sasuke: Immortality, reincarnation, with the Sharingan and Rinnegan I have numerous options to always be around watching from the shadows. Naruto:....but you would be alone... Sasuke also gave Naruto a reality check.
