@@RichSymington only when we are towing. As soon as I need to pump and connect waves then I ride the HAs. The MAs just roll from turn to turn so well, but you loose out on the pump.
Ya Oskar! This is great. Dig the long format with the full details! Can’t wait to try the boogie! Finally chopped my dart 140 as per your recommendation and love it! Really bites in nice! Sounded like someone’s was whistling a bit in the video. I found this guys video really helpful it took my dart from whistling/humming 90% of time to only about 10% of time making noise. m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NqSaGl7Qb3s.html&pp=ygUZRml4IG5vaXN5IGZvaWwgc3RhYmlsaXplcg%3D%3D
@@maxnuccio2440 thanks mate stoked you enjoyed it. I can almost guarantee it was Jeremy’s tail that was whistling hahaha! I don’t know if he’s ever out sandpaper to his foils
@@mirzapirza Jeremy is 97kg! He can get up on a 30L prone board as well, but it does use the battery quicker. I think good technique really helps and keeping the board as level as possible when bring it up to the surface and not angling the nose up too much that it ploughs through the water
Sick stuff! Pretty suprised how far back you put your battery. I will have to try that too. I have been getting some pretty good submarining with my TB on occasion. Thanks for showing us what is capable with this new toy.
@@king_kook_da_flyerer yeah I use the pool noodle jammed in the front to bring the battery back a bit. That seems to help the nose diving for me anyway… I know Jeremy said a longer rope helped him with that as well… 🤷♂️
@@OskarJohansson1 Pool noodle, clever. I swapped to the Armstrong tow row rope with one section taken out. Think the full rope might be better? I'll have to give that a go and see.
@@king_kook_da_flyerer it’s so much fun! I run the same rope with the longest section taken out, but Jeremy runs it longer and says it helps with the nose diving… I can’t confirm haha
@@Toastypie1 that’s actually a pretty good point… I have tested a firmware update from Mark where the boogie will hold position so even in wind or current it will stay in the same spot.
@@OskarJohansson1 I get worried even in a small swell and a light offshore when I lose LOS and I have to keep swimming to make contact. That update will be cool.
Hi Oskar, What would you recommend for a new High Aspect foil? I'm considering the 580 with the dart stab. I currently use an MA800 for both winging and prone foiling. It's great for winging, but I find it challenging to connect waves while prone foiling. My board is 27.5L and I weigh 65kg. Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers, Diego
@@tubomarplatence hey Diego! I absolutely love the HA580 with the dart tail, it has good pump and glide for its size. I had a little better pump than the MA800, but honestly not heaps more. Would possibly go for the HA680 if you want more pump! It still turns really well, but compared to the HA580 it just has so much more pump. Make sure you move your mast back 2cm from where you have the MA foils though
What a bunch of subjective fluff. Why not give some objective data or use more technical terms? For example, if you are saying that It has a lower stall speed, tell us what lift coefficient it will produce before stalling. I hate the way you take liberty to make up terms to describe the performance of these foils. There are technical terms to describe how a foil performs.
I agree, it is all subjective which I can understand for someone who is knowledgeable on such values/terms may be frustrating. Also brands most definitley won't publish any of that data. However, for the vast majority of foilers, they are looking at how a foil feels and comparing them subjectivley. I answer a lot of questions every day and I can confirm you are the first person who has wanted to know the lift coefficient of a foil before stalling. This isn't my job and I don't get paid for these, so with the limited time I have to work on content I have to focus it on what the majority of people ask about and want to know, and in a way that uses terms that are popularly understood rather than scietifically scrutanised. I get the frustration, truely. But I also get the feeling I am just recieving your frustration with the industry and its direction, not your frustration directly with me... 🤔
@@OskarJohansson1 Yes. My frustration is with the industry. Thanks for the thoughtful reply." It's not my job ". That's funny. Make it your job. Improve the industry. Make people understand why the characteristics of a foil make it perform the way it does. Learn the proper terminology and teach others the proper terminology. When people are better able to communicate performance characteristics that will accelerate the improvement of the foils. For example, glide. What the hell is glide? I believe what you're really talking about is the lifted drag ratio (l/d) of the foil. It is well known what affects the lift to drag ratio of a foil. You should relate those parameters of the foil that affect the lift to drag ratio of the foil like the aspect ratio and the thickness to cord ratio. But people should understand what's compromises will be made if they go to higher aspect ratio.
@@GregSKetterman sorry for the slow response, it’s been a hectic couple of weeks. I’m a little on two sides with the debate about trying to educate people on the nuances of foils. I agree that it would be great to have better information out there on foils and how they work, but at the same time trying to educate everyone is a sure fast way to drive new people away from the sport. Windsurfing is a great example where the industry has almost no new people getting into the sport because it became too “complicated” for the beginners to understand and get involved. I want to keep the sport inclusive and not just cater it to the people like us that really care about the details. I guess it’s similar with surfing, there are very few people that care about the foil sections in their fin design and 99.5% of people just buy a large/medium, and something for carves or barrels. I think most people are just not interested and hence it’s never gotten any traction. Personally I think open forums are the answer. That’s where people interested can really dive into the details and geek out on the numbers, but for a brand it’s always going to cater for the majority and aim to be as inclusive as possible. Plus forums are a better medium to go back and forth to discuss topics rather than video formats which is just one persons opinion.
@@Jonpilo-uz1yf that’s an interesting question! I actually don’t know. A taller person does have more vertical to perform a longer and deeper pump, but shorter person might be able to perform shorter sharper pumps easier and accelerate quickly. I really don’t know the answer to that
@@OskarJohansson1 If you compare taller and shorter riders, who generally have an advantage on pumping foil for efficient and generating faster speed in ride?
You are so talented! Interested in this for wing foiling in light winds with foil drive. I'm 60 kg. If you can't try before you buy, How do you decide on a size for these HA foils?
@@cousinvinn sorry for the slow response! The 1525 is a really big foil for someone at 60kg. I wouldn’t recommend going over the 1325, it just has a more manageable span at your weight. The Armstrong website has charts with how to choose foils for your size though.
This is true! There were two shots of of me and Jeremy paddling in but didn't think anyone would want to watch that. Will include things like that for next time
😂😂 I just returned to watching this and turned the volume right up in the plane ✈️ right at the point where you said “ gotta teach this kid to do his %#??*€n job” 😂😂😂😂
Absolutley, if I am winging or towing then I was riding the MA625. And then if I am prone foiling and paddling in then I was on the HA580, and dowinwind on the HA680. All of those was with the dart 140 with red shim, 60cm fuse, and 865 mast.
@@OskarJohansson1 my all time favorite was the 925. I snagged a 880 and it became my go-to for months. I hopped back on the 925 recently and I hated life 🤣 the new HA is just too good. It’s just hard to grasp until I tried to go back.
Hi Oskar, did you spend some time on the 38 litre mid-length? How would you compare the two and what would you choose at your weight? Does the thinner 38 litre feel more connected? Does the smaller size suffer in paddle speed and ease of catching waves? Thanks a lot:)
Hi mate, unfortunatley I only have the 45L ML and have not tried the 38, but at my weight I would defentifly go for the 38L. I think it would loose some of the ease getting on foil when winging, but for prone foiling I don't think you would loose much at all. I have always found surface area is more important when paddling into a wave and rocker. The thinner board will feel much more conncected to the foil when riding!
Thanks mate! That hat is from Voyager Foiler in Hawaii. Looks like they don't have the same colour, but a camo on now... www.voyagerfoiler.com/store-1/talis-crew-x-voyager-camo-bucket-hats
An electric foil is much heavier with the batteries in the board. This becomes much harder and slower to turn. For example my setup weighs about 5kg, where as an E-Foil is about 25kg. With this device you can ride a super light weight small board, with the smallest highest performance foils so the performance on the wave is as high as possible.
That is a big question. If you're a good surfer then you could go with something similar to your surfboard volume, but otherwise more volume and a longer board (maybe 5ft) would be a lot easier to learn on. Foil size I would go for something like the Armstrong S1. They have cheaper beginner kits to get into this. I would progress onto one of the HA foils once you are comfortable riding and want to elanr to pump and link more waves.
@@manuelortuno8612 I use a floating camera pole from 3PV. It’s light weight, made from carbon, and telescopic only can pack it down easily while riding
