I have to also give a big shout out to the doom inspired Quake or the even better Half Life Series. HL is also a great old shooter with a good story. In my opinion though you should play HL with the brutal half life mod installed as it makes the weapons and overall game so much more fun. HL2 is also amazing and worth a shot
I definitely want to play half life games, though when I was younger I had watched playthroughs of them from my old favorite tubesters. Just to experience it myself is why I need to get it though fr
No offense, but this video meanders _way too much_ for only being six minutes long. You don't even really state the Video's thesis until _three minutes in._ And even by the end, you don't really present your argument in a truly convincing way and end with a rather unsatisfying conclusion.
The best part about all of it - there is no structure- I through this together because I knew it was worth some time. Worked out well, but of course there are improvements needing made. You can tell that to the 200 comments doe *edit - that sounded rude, but I don’t mean to say it in a rude way, I was just having fun making this video. I wanted to talk about some things on my mind, some things I’ve been previously discussing in depth throughout some of my other vids - wasn’t expecting an additional 6.5k audience. But much appreciated!
Classic DOOM is one of those games I always end up coming back to. The mods alone offer a unique experience time and time again. Even after playing some kickass indie shooters like Anger Foot, DUSK, Amid Evil and the build engine shooters I come back to DOOM. I love the simplicity.
That’s awesome. What are some of the mods you’d recommend? I e never played Amid Evil but I’m tempted to give er a shot soon along with all the other recommendations here.
Scanning the unholy depths of RU-vid Audio Library. Sometimes I just go through listening to shit before I make a video so I know what kind of audio I’ll want to work with
I got this feeling while playing System Shock Enhanced Edition, it's truly an amazing game (especially that the original came out one year after Doom) and the only thing it needed was mouselook. Too many games are disregarded completely just because they don't have photorealistic graphics or competitive online multiplayer.
I HATE THE PHOTOREALISTIC APPROACH RN CAUSS ITS MAKING EVERYTHING STANK. But I LOVE when there’s some graphics mods on retro / classics. I’m not sure what mouse look is, I’d imagine it’s pertaining to the aiming mechanics?
WHAT modern shooters? Call of Duty aaaaaaaaannnnnnndddddddd......?! The Free to Play trash that's out there? Concord? Valorant? Overwatch 2? Valve's latest MOBA/HERO SHOOTER garbage aka successful Concord? Remember when COD, Battlefield, and Medal of Honor: Warfighter were all competing and people were like ZOMG THER'S 2 MANY SHOODERS OUT THAR!!!! Now we get Call of Duty. And that's it. "ZOMG THESE SHOOOOOODERSSSS!!!!!" We BARELY get games now. Half the releases are some indie game where you play a gay ice cream cone in an art museum trying to understand the meaning of scat porn (9/10 by the way!), and then once in awhile you get a DECENT (read NOT great or AMAZING) game like Helldivers 2 or Space Marine 2. Now if you excuse me, I'm going back to my life changing indie experience where I'm a Mexican screwdriver that was smuggled into a NASCAR event as some metaphor for racism. I'm an hour in and I'm almost finished. TOTALLY worth the $20. With that being said Brutal Doom was a GAME CHANGER.
The boomer shooter devs have been putting out gems over the last few years. Watching people play modern shooters and complain and still play them anyway, jump from one bad cashgrab product to another and another and another, makes me laugh in disbelief at their NPC brains.
Well, not entirely NPC Brain. That’s also where I’m kinda getting at here- this wasn’t an abrupt shift- the corporations did a fantastic job of encroaching on pop culture titles - a large enough loving audience simply existed in incomprehensible numbers. We recognize it now, (those of us who reserved some degree of faith in restoration or revival for [you know, insert title here], that we’ve all been played. I just don’t think it’s as blatantly obvious that it’s not just the player, I think the developers or publishers do well at hiding homogeneous nature of what’s going on behind the scenes. Like the tactics they use, like nostalgia for an easy example.
5:43 To be clear, skill based matchmaking (SBMM) and "engagement optimised matchmaking" (EOMM) are different. EOMM tracks your skill but uses it in ways to squeeze playtime out of you, where SBMM is all about putting you in games where ideally your winning chance is 50%. Activision did a study testing SBMM against nothing, and it turned out players prefer SBMM. While you may be sceptical of this study considering it's by Activision, I can anecdotally attest to the fact that I vastly prefer SBMM over nothing. Games like Dota 2 use it by default. However, companies like Activision would rather use EOMM, and I think there's no excuse for that. EOMM will put you in winning streaks and then have you lose, so by definition it's not true 50% anymore.
Old school games in general are ones that have an understanding of what a game is and why we play them in the first place. Too many "games" now are just focused on telling a message than showing its player a world that can be fun, dangerous, exciting, scary and can make them imaging what is out there. BTW source ports for games that were originally on DOS or other ways that are tough to play now has been great because as with NightDive's efforts so many more classic games can be enjoyed by fans new and old as well as much more easier to be preserved from the ravages of time.
Boomer Shooters are designed to be fun first, a test of skill second and sometimes they got a very interesting story... but like The Alpha & the Omega of Nanomachines and the New Age JOHN CARMACK once said: "Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important."
Yeah, I have so much more fun playing ancient DOOM than anything that came out lately. And I say that as someone who installed oldshool DOOM on his computer only last year. Never played it before because I thought "it's old, how good can it be?" Imagine my surprise when it turned out one of the best fps games I've played. EVER.
Great part is, you could play nothing but doom maps for years, and you wouldn't run out of good stuff, I made a map for a community project, should be out soon. Check out mtpain27, he reviews doom wads
That’s understandable. It’s funny you say that, my buddies get hooked on roboquest* from time to time, and you can’t have a third. I’m typically the third.
I find shooting to just be way more simple in boomer shooters rather than modern shooters. I can't speak for all modern shooters but Counter Strike is an absolute joke when it comes to aiming. I annihilate people in Quake 1 & 2. It's literally a roll of the dice when aiming in CS and a lot of pro players have been caught cheating.
There’s cheating, and all the nuance and complexity of modern aiming and shooting mechanics. Certainly, playing titles of the past even as recent as 10 years back demonstrates much simpler and arguably more reasonable mechanics for some of us.
Video games became huge business. Financial viability/profitability became everything. Just like with Hollywood. I’m convinced everything is run by test audiences till everyone-including grandma, who doesn’t understand games-is willing to play it. As long as they’re still building their cash machine big business is happy. Also related, I’m an old-school shooter fan and am enjoying Doom 64 on PS5 a lot.
It’s fun because it’s simple but not without challenge. You can feel that the designer had fun creating the level as you play it. Each level is easy to digest. The game doesn’t feel like a damn commitment.
That’s one of my favorite reasons to play it. I’m ready to just load in and mindlessly beat a chapter or two of the game, and I’ll have explored and stomped through a bunch of levels by that point. Then I’ll just log off, and it feels like all that occurred was enjoyment and some challenge. Sometimes it’s all that’s necessary
Yes, I think games like this will continue to be somewhat popular as long as they're available. They're just really fast to pick up for a quick session without having to spend an hour remembering where you were and what you were doing. The absolute worst case scenario is that you forget so much of what's going on that you get the experience of beginning fresh. Which was also pretty cool.
I stopped playing COD/Halo years ago when I had nobody else to co-op with. I got into Beyond Sunset (DOOM wad) never touching boomer shooters before, and it feels so fresh.
Doom never gets old!! If you play on PC, a ton of indie, retro 90s style shooters that have come out in the last few years. I've been enjoying them a lot more than the AAA industry games that have been pushed out more recently
I be monching on Xbox, but after some people started presenting doom mods to me, I’ve began looking into more steam games and whatnot. I’ve also been asking some of yall, what do you think of Prodeus?
I've got the shareware loaded onto my Mister FPGA along with most of my console games. When I get a chance, I'll be installing the registered version. Sometimes, it's nice to play things they way they were originally.
Modern gamss in general are garbage. The games that i played recently and loved are older ones such as Touhou luna nights, tears of the kingdom/breath of the wild, and the castlevania games. I mean this year is the worst year for gaming... POLITICS DON'T BELONG IN VIDEO GAMES. UNLESS IF IT IS RELEVANT TO THE STORY! And im only 18... like minecraft when they did away with the legacy consoles... i didn't realize it then but now when i go back to play the 360 version... its a lot funner than bedcrap edition.
There's an old meme image from a decade or two ago that highlights this problem - in a way, sort of - it shows two images and asks the viewer to compare the difference. The images are of a '1990s' first person shooter map layout and a 2010s first person shooter map layout. One is convoluted and interesting, the other a straight line from A - B. I think you can tell which is which without looking up the meme.
Yeah there’s certainly all of their differences, and yeah, that does apply in many circumstances. Though we should still try to remember and recognize games today that maybe have that application while still managing to leave an impression with other outstanding or unique features. I guess I don’t have a good example off the top of my head, but a game like Halo 5 Guardians has a controversial Multiplayer realm of mechanics, although implements and influences player created content that may or may not include designs of a variety of tastes. Just sum foob for thot.
funny how not only the so called "boomer shooters", i am more hyped with retro-style games especially indies for the past 4-5 years, not just for affordability but because they aren't "skinner boxes" or shallow formulaic "cinematic" cr*p.
“Skinner boxes” is crazy. but it’s beast. And it’s facts. Sometimes I like cinematics but not when it’s unintuitively the result of a new season launch rather than an experience at the end of an effortful playthrough. Just an opinion though of course.
For even more fun with Doom, Heretic and Hexen look in to downloading GZDOOM and while at it all the mods made by people that just love the games that work on GZDOOM. A friend got me in to Doom modding earlier this year using GZDOOM and ZDL (a mod loader), and I've had more replayability with these games then anything else I've ever owned.
Bro, are you me?! I'm 44 and struggling to enjoy a lot of modern AAA games myself. That's okay though - between classic and indie/AA titles, we are eating GOOD right now. Now go play Selaco and DUSK if you haven't already - they are amazing. Those are only scratching the surface! I'm currently replaying Doom myself (this time with raytracing!) and having an absolute blast with it, so I can definitely relate to a lot of what you said about keeping things simple and fun when the paralysis of everything gets overwhelming. There are a ton of older console games I'd like to check out upscaled via emulation too, so there is no shortage of great titles to play - only time!
Haha there’s a good chunk of indie, or just maybe just the world outside of AAA that I have yet to discover. Not necessarily discover everything, but actually take the time to sit down and play. For me, growing up in the current age of what’s popular is therefore what got played. and now, fortunately, I’m forced to step away from literally the things I love most in life - my favorite video games I grew up on, if I want to also continue to be a functional human being that manages to also add some useful productivity to the massive amount of game time I’m in. Being “forced” to play new games or old games I never really got to experience with a fully conscious mind, was a good move. Like what you said, pretty much everybody outside the Triple A space is eating GOOD right now. It’s their time to shine.
All subjective. I don't really like a lot of modern fps (well actually, there are no modern fps, it's mostly just COD). But doom style games aren't anything special in my opinion. Like, I don't particularly enjoy stuff like Cultic or Ion Fury or Hedon or whatever is a popular doom wad right now. I miss games like Half-life or FEAR or Portal or No one lives forever and so on, but no one makes games like that anymore. There's nowhere to escape to.
I feel that maybe since the Doom games aren’t particularly special to you, maybe it’s not that, but that the ultimate breakdown of what an FPS entails at its core just isn’t that special in general to you. For example, being that Halo was my first video game I ever played, (and had a good time) I was naturally going to continue to gravitate towards the mechanics and flow I recognized to enjoy. As I grow older, I slowly find more interest in RPG’s, and I’m finding a lot of reasons to keep exploring!
Oh yeah dude, Transformers 2 Revenge of the Fallen was the best game. No but, TF2 is special to me in a way that when I had moved towns at a young age, my new buddies had introduced me to TF2. Good times
@@LifeIsAPlanet The failure of "AAA" studios and the game industry is just one part of the increasingly dysfunctional US. I think it's becoming increasingly apparent to most people that things are *really* on the decline; and they have been for a long time, but it's worse than ever. I don't mean to get too deep into this as we're discussing shooter games here, but one root problem is that the people who run things (e.g., CEOs, shareholders, BlackRock, and so on) do not care about us or America. As this pertains to good video games and the state of the industry, it is the regime which has allowed massive conglomerates to acquire smaller studios only to kill them off shortly thereafter, and because of the financial characteristics of the games industry, smaller studios are pressured into allowing their acquisition. The politicians are in bed with the conglomerates so they can pump out trash and million dollar garbage because they're too big to fail and they'll never be investigated for anything. The games industry is not fertile grounds for crafting a game like Doom or Half-Life anymore. It's a soulless factory producing the next Hero shooter owned by BlackRock and other people who don't give a shit about making anything good. It's up to us now, indie developers are the future and we gotta support them. Selaco and many other games are our generation's Doom.
Lots of goodies got murdered early on. I personally didn’t get into duke nukem like some of my buddies did, but I still believe that’s moreso just due to that feeling you get sometimes when someone shows you like a new song or game and you naturally want to resent it and be like “yeah shits dogass dude I play halo and call of duty 😎” so it’s definitely a series for me to get into and have some good times with.
You mean such is Randy Pitchford. That clown actually made DNF way less revolutionary than what it was supposed to be. If you check out the leaked builds of DNF it would've been an absolute classic had he not destroyed the whole thing and got it rebuilt from scratch. DNF also had breakable segments of glass which was a huge deal at the time in terms of graphics. What an absolute tragedy. We need scientists to discover how we can go to an alternate universe because I wanna play that DNF.
DNF was fine, if it had come out a few years earlier it wouldn't have had the reputation that it has. If you ignore the fact that it took so long and consider it incomparison to games that would have been contemporaries, it comes out a lot better.
I honestly think that for most players, they play modern FPS games but what they actually want is a game like Doom. That is, they play modern multiplayer shooters hoping for an experience where they run around shooting peope and blowing stuff up in order to actually have a fun experience, but instead they get a game whose deaign goals are a little bit different. Certainly multiplayer FPS games can be very good and do things that a singleplayer FPS technically couldn't such as competitive play, but I think that a high percantage of people do not actually play for these exclusive multiplayer traits, rather they play for that mechanical satisfaction of shooting a precise headshot then shotgunning somebody in the face and having blood splatter everywhere as the soundtrack makes you want to continue the bloodfest. And then when a janky multiplayer FPS gives players just a little bit of that by chance one day when the opponents weren't playing well, they keep coming back for more of that feeling that they're now familiar with, not realizing that there are much better places to find it in greater, reliable quantities. Also people seem to assume that new = better, but it simply does not. It's an honest mistake, but one that I think far too many people make.
You’re completely right at every point here - showing friends of mine the original Doom series completely refreshes their spirits, and there’s a reason. Continuing to use doom as an example here, the mechanics and gameplay of Doom at first glance, in 2024, is slow, or lackluster for a better term. But as you play through and experiment, explore, collect and destroy, you start to look at yourself flying through missions just doing exactly what you got on to do - blow some shit up and feel like you’re the UNIT everybody wanted to be so badly. Even with newer doom titles, there remains to be a particular and distinct taste to the doom games that lie beyond the art style and control scheme, while also providing boundaries and limitations (mostly due to the age and tech) that kept the game grounded to a singular idea.
got bored of AAA games for a few years now.Always love Doom and play it often since 2004 ,but in the last 2~3 years, old shooters are pretty much all I play.it's exciting that so many old games are getting offical updates and remasters. Also there are a bunch of really good new retro shooters in the last 5 or so years,too!! Ion Fury,Amid Evil,Project Warlock are some of my favorites.
Some of the reboots, remasters, and not only that but the retro style shooters coming around these days are actually freaking nuts. Do you like the looks of games like Prodeus and whatnot?
@@LifeIsAPlanet I like the look of Prodeus,it's got colorful dynamic lights,reflections and some modern effects but the textures and the sprites looks like they're from 1996, and the gore is so satifying. I didn't like the checkpoint system but it's a really solid game and I really love the soundtrack!!
I remember my 7th grade year feeling so fatigued of cod, halo, Minecraft and other modern games feeling like I was running in an endless loop. Then my buddy shows me this old ass game where you can’t even jump or look up and down, run at 30mph, and can hold more firepower at once than a Waco commune, and I instantly knew this is what I was looking for.
Holy shmokes I wish I had found a sweet spot to play doom in while I was still in school. I would’ve been forcing my friends to take turns on the box playing doom rather than split screen games. That’s a stretch, but I just know we really enjoyed Doom 2016 multiplayer together, but now I gotta get them all onto the older titles and spend some time beating those games up. I’m sorry did you say you were fatigued of Minecraft??¿? Brother, you must be eliminated now :(
You definitely get it. Doom was more or less the FPS equivalent of Daytona USA or possibly the Cruisin' series. It was a fast arcade type of a game where you could also do a bunch of crazy death matches without really having to spend much time developing your skill to get started. Just one keyboard and mouse completely optional.
Now listen to me carefully: go play FEAR (Platinum is often dirt cheap on GOG). Play on PC. Multiplayer is exhausting. Single player is the way to go. I've discovered Doom while I still barely knew how to turn the PC on and off. Started out with a crappy source port about 20 years ago and here I am playing it still 20 years later. Same with Halo 1 and 2. Same with Descent. Quake. FEAR, Half-Life 1 and 2. Ghost Recon 1, SWAT 3/4. Muliplayer is cool but single player is for grown men who enjoy games and not the meta cheap thrills of modern multiplayer. If you want multiplayer go play niche shit stuff like Insurgency Sandstorm and stuff.
100%. My uncle actually showed me FEAR,but at the time I could only RU-vid anything on it and it became one of those games that slip through. I also still be gaming Halo 1 and 2, the Bungie series of Halo games are probably my favorite individual games ever as well as a collective series. I’ll be checking that out though on my laptop here jortly doe!
I didn’t play Quake when I was younger like I played Doom, but one time a few years back when I was on a Joseph Rogan kick, I heard him talk about how fucking insane Quake was so I tried it that day and never looked back. I don’t play it often, but it’s goated and is beckoning my name this fine nigh.
I feel the main problem is the companies insistence with focusing about making games for profit rather than enjoyment and entrainment, many do focus on retention rather than enjoyment.
For sure, of course a huge portion of it is the other half of the customer’s relationship with the corporation, like responding to these systems by continuing to play them or support them financially and whatnot. Inevitable, but some things can potentially change with awareness. I really enjoy seeing the “No Preorders” in a lot of comment sections and videos supporting the idea.
For me, Halo Infinite is kinda the problem. A big part of it, anyways. Borderlands fun as jit, mass effect trilogy goes bonkers too doe - not a huge fan of Andromeda, but enjoy it in its own respect.
@@LifeIsAPlanet Yeah, I get the Halo infinite complaints. As a Halo fan, we are STARVING. But just figure out why you like games, and play stuff that is genuinely fun for you.
Their is a lot of good indie game shooters like ultrakill, roboquest, deep galactic rock and stone, trepang2, Boltgun, sentry, arcrunners and Dusk maybe try out more indie games or shooters for once.
“For once” haha, yes, these are all awesome games. However, the direction I went with in this video is relative to unspoken and spoken triple a titles while I enjoy some Doomskies.
