Even if u claim that Minato is faster, it's not that huge of a speed difference. And u conveniently ignore the fact that Tobirama actually had better jutsus with more AP even while using the FTG as compared to Minato. The tandem Paperbombs actually by themselves displayed an AP that's greater than a concentrated 10 tails biju bomb. Nobody, not even Hashirama or Madara are coming close to that much attack potency. This is not me claiming that Tobirama beats either Hashirama or Madara in a 1v1, but they aren't that far apart in terms of strength as many people would like to assume. For instance, Madara who actually loved blood and actually tanked multiple attacks directly, used his susanoo arm to block tobirama's attack even when tobirama was pinned down. Remember that this is the same madara who was casually underestimating the 5 kage and even the 9 tailed beasts and being cocky against them. That shows how much of a threat madara himself considers tobirama to be. Just imagine Tobirama summoning an army of edo tensei and teleporting them around and nuking them with the tandem paperbombs at random places in the battle field. How dyu fight this guy? It's pretty impossible even for the entire akatsuki combined. And we're here talking about Kisame and Sage Jiraya?? Lmao... And even if Minato marks Tobirama, what's he gonna do?? Hit him with a rasengan?? That's pretty useless as Tobirama wears a shield on top of which he has a crazy ass durability considering he's a senju. The AP isn't enough to take him down. Whereas the otherway is pretty deadly for minato. Minato if he gets sliced by a sword or Kunai, is actually done. Tobirama can also summon huge bodies of water and flood the place like Kisame which essentially washes away all of Minato's Kunai with the FTG marks. In short, there are many many ways for Tobirama to beat Minato whereas there's really no way Minato can kill Tobirama even if he managed to actually land a blow on him.
I think the Tobirama discussion should end with him vs alive Minato. Between his vast chakra pool while he was alive and his multiple exploding tags while ET as well as his battle IQ, I think there is an argument he could beat living Minato. Minato is faster and does have seals, but it’s feasible he loses. A pretty close fight. But ET Minato with KCM starts bridging the gap with Hashirama, leaving Tobirama in the dust.
For the first 3 mins . Yes he placed the tags. You are applying to reality when trying to use real world logic as to why it’s impossible for him to reach jubbito other side. This means we have to go with authors intent. Which means kishimoto wants us and is telling us that yes tobirama placed the bombs on jubbito during the blitz.
@@JTheGreatthese people genuinely dont know what they are saying i agreed with most of if not all of your points. tobiramas feats are blown way out kf proportion . the other i debated several people who think he created 1000-3500 jutsus when its less than 35 🤦
I think speed is just one thing your taking away all of tobirama credit that he deserves just because Minato Masterd a jutsu he uses way more. Tobirama has a lot more than just 2 jutsus in his arsenal you quite literally are just being biased.
1:26:26 IIRC Vince Gilligan(the creator of breaking bad) did confirm that Walt left GreyMatter willingly as he was intimidated by the fact that Gretchen(his original love interest) came from a rich family.
@brandoncsb3636 while being true, I don't think it would be implied with hashirama as he shown being relative with tobi in speed against hiruzen in the orochimaru and hiruzen fight. In other words, hashirama and tobirama share a speed feat with another, putting them both relative. Along with hashirama's aoe attacks, wood golem and buddha statue, you can still put him overall above tobirama
@@Harryboy2.0 that's what I'm saying. I believe tobirama is faster than Hashirama and Madara but he's weaker overall. Some ppl in the comm be scaling like speed is everything that matters in a fight when ots only 1 aspect.
@@gil9296 honestly, like me personally, minato and tobirama are relative in speed, with minato being kcm2 with flying raijin and tobirama being there with his raw movement. I think it comes down to how they fight and their abilities.
I don't think it's necessarily that, but more of, if they were to fight, he wouldn't do too bad. He would still lose, but he would do fairly well, until the wood golem and buddha
Ive been trying to tier scale shipuuden recently and tobirama is so hard to place........i dont underate him at all but he is falling in place where he isnt as wank asppl think I have him in above or in range of sage jiraiya v2 raikage and tsunade Even though i think he can compete with oniki muu gengetsu 3rd raikage .. Somewhere in that mix I rank him 7/8th among all Shippuden era kage
7:40 I can elaborate further on this. Sasuke nearly cutting Deidara in half is noted by Tobi to be Body Flicker, and he tells Deidara that it is pointless to fight Sasuke since his "Body Flicker makes him too fast for us". Sha no Sho elaborates further that his god-like speed kills in a single move, indicating Body Flicker is considered relevant for speed in combat. Likewise, during the Gokage Kaidan, Karin notes that A's Lightning Release Body Flicker essentially makes him untouchable in combat, forcing Sasuke to use the defensive Blaze Release shield instead. Itachi likewise used "flicker feet" in Itachi Shinden to circle behind someone and knock them out. 7:55 It is stated Minato perfected Tobirama's Hirashin, bringing it to a higher level. In fact, in the second databook, it was actually stated to be Minato's original jutsu. It was only later retroactively said to be Tobirama's technique.
Nchammer literally said that obito(yellow mask) and nagato/pain mops itachi on the floor and also that hokage minato>=edo itachi, edo minato>>>edo itachi and edo nagato😂😂
