After listening to this talk, illumination or liberation or the "natural state of being" sounds like a gambling game, no effort is necessary, no techniques, nothing... all one needs is a stroke of luck.
Love this video...Use it often. Papaji is my heart ❤️ Was at a Satsung with Gangaji, when word came of Papji's crossing. Blessed and sacred moment, that will be with me always 💫🙏🏻Thank you✨
Your belief in a unitary movement of life is just a groundless belief, lacking any certainty. You have cleverly rationalized what the gurus and holy books have taught you. Your beliefs are the result of blind acceptance of authority, all secondhand stuff. You are not separate from your beliefs. When your precious beliefs and illusions come to an end, you come to an end. My talking is nothing more than the response to your pain which you are expressing through questions, logical arguments and other mentations. There is nobody here talking, giving advice, feeling pain, or experiencing anything at all. I have nothing here of my own, no obvious or hidden agenda, no product to sell, no axe to grind, nothing to prove. 💜
In his later years u g used to reject every spiritual claims as gibberish. Perhaps it was his trick to guard people against their mind getting contaminated by accepting such claims as true and thus blocking their own understanding of truth with freshness of mind.
I feel he was clearer here than any other video on what he believes. But he still seems to be somewhat pulled by supernatural ideas. The later videos he never mentions God in such a way. He has a few good ideas and I agree with him, but he wasn't an exceptional thinker. He had a few poor ideas in my opinion.
Some stroke of luck, or by grace of God if you will. I have come by or stumbled into a new state of being. Rather I would say, I find myself awakened....to a whole new way of life. My prayer used to be, "Oh god, if there is a God, why hast thou forsaken me?" It has now only changed into something like this: "Oh God, if there is a God"..That bit "if there is a God" still remains unchanged.."Why hast Thou chosen to bestow all Thy divine favours on me?" But to describe in such terms as illumination, enlightenment, or even by the sanskrit word "moksha" or liberation, or even to use those fanciful words, first and last freedom, radical mutation, is to miss the point. It isn't a revealed religious truth. Or even, what we refer to as one beyond human intellect. There isn't anything mysterious about it. It is not what people talk of. As the spiritual apprehension of truth is intellectually incomprehensible. There is nothing mysterious about it. What has happened to me is a pure and simple physical phenomena. Somehow, the machinations of the mind have come to a stop. And the senses have started functioning or operating in a pure and simple way. That, itself, is an extraordinary thing. It is not a question of enlightenment, spiritually or intellectually, or in any form..Or to use that vulgar expression "get religious". There is nothing to get converted to any belief, or to any monastic state, or even to sit rapt in meditation seeking absorption into God or the Infinite or whatever you call it. It isn't a tale imagining or accounting a world in which ourselves do not exist. It isn't any inexplicable affair..It is an explicable affair. There isn't anything to make a mystery of This. If any such thing happens to an individual, he's not concerned with direct communion of the soul with God or any such thing. Then what then is the effect of This on conduct of an individual? It affects not only the conduct of the individual but the totality of the human....being. It is bound to affect others too. As the saying goes, "You cannot light a candle and hide it under the bushel". What do I think of Krishnamurti? His state of being..it being..cannot be different from that of those of the sages, saints, and saviours of mankind. The abstractions he throws at people is a kind of trick, as it were, to trick you into that state of mind where the mind comes to a stop, a sudden stop, and where something can happen. But if you repeat those phrases, it becomes a mere twaddle, a drivel, gibberish. They haven't got much substance. You might as well quote the Bhagavad Gita, or the Bible, or even Koran, or any one of these scriptures that doesn't make any difference at all. If I've added one more, a new set of phrases, that's all there is to it. Why repeat those phrases? Why talk of flowers? Where the eyes look at them and the ears listen to them, you are out of this structure once and for all. You will never ask these questions once again. What is there behind and beneath those abstractions that Krishnamurti throws at people? Is there anything at all? As a mind view, as a mind concept, as a mind vision, as a mind image, or even as a sanguine expectation, they sound marvelous. They're very charming words. If you really knew it, I don't think you would even want it. It is a dynamite. It isn't a thing to play with. Do I know it? What a question..Hah ..I really don't know. Your guess is as good as mine. If I tell you it is the same, what value has it? If I tell you it isn't the same, it has no value either. But why put these questions to ourselves? What is the way of knowing It, whether be it his or anybody else's? You have absolutely no way of knowing it. If by some luck, you stumble into it, it would be a completely and totally bewildering and puzzling sort of affair. You won't even bother to compare it with anybody else's. It isn't going to be the same...it isn't going to come about the way you imagine it, "spiritual awakening" or whatever you call it, isn't going to come about in the way you imagine it. It will come about contrary to all your imaginings. It will come about in a very simple and quite an unexpected way. But anyway, what exactly IT is...Can you tell me what IT is that you are seeking? Or that you want it? Or that you are trying to find out? Can you tell me? To change the entire structure and thought of civilization isn't an easiest thing. That means the very foundations on which the superstructure of our civilization rests must be shattered. That can't be done very easily, and that can't be done without a change in our intellectual and religious outlook. And the very educational system must change. But it's easy to say all that. Unless an individual changes, there isn't going to be any change at all, and even that change, must be one without volition. And that requires tremendous and arduous understanding. If it were that simple, with all the descriptions we have in the Hindu and Buddhist scriptures, everyone in India would have been a great yogi. For surely we have 8 million Sadhus wandering all over the country. There are so many claimants, to what you call the spiritual enlightenment, that the result that you don't know who is actually enlightened, or who is really and genuinely an authentic soul who has this spiritual awakening. Western disciples seem to be the measure of the greatness of a spiritual teacher these days. They have tremendous following in Europe, in America, and all over the world. Trotting around the world, talking to these people, has become very fashionable.
U.G. experienced the calamity at the age of 49. There is a large gap between 49 and late sixties. I am just wondering why his voice in the video is quite different from the usual. I thought this was recorded before calamity.
Once the energy starts to come on, it's the end of you. I interpreted the ending of my "self" as more of a biological happening as well. 6 years of mindfulness and other bullshit and then one day, an energy starts in my forehead, spread to my entire body and just wiped me out. It was not some beautiful experience. It destroyed every part of me. It was weeks of pain and begging to die, but all that is left is my body and this sort of "bubbling" of new life. I would have spent my entire life searching if it was not for UG
@@didipapa338 There is no "state" to attain. Just like UG said many times "You do not want this" lol. The energy expands , and you lose your mind. Not in some beautiful, blissful way. It is torture. It takes everything with it. I did practice meditation for years, but the energy just hit me one day in my kitchen, and it has been tearing me apart every day since. UG is the only honest man I have heard regarding the experience
@@jonathonhardy54 my friend experienced the exact same thing, this kundalini process whatever you wanna call it, it lasted tor 5 weeks for him. Well yes, but is there something one can do to have this kind of a thing happen? Or is it just sonething that randomly happens to random people?
@@didipapa338 Obviously, there is no secret recipe, but there does seem to be a correlation between people who meditate etc and people who have this type of experience. As the mind starts to "see through" the old patterns etc, it makes room for more energy. As UG said, there is nothing you can do in any direction. BUT... if one starts to shift the way the mind was previously functioning, there has to be a shift in this energy
This guys Sucks BALLS.. he is a pore frustrated human being. JK and him spoke nearly close about the fact, but one kept him self in order and tried helping the world by showing them the mental conditioning, trying to understand the chaos that goes on in every human being’s mind, wile the other, frustrated cuz he didn’t do like wise criticizes everything that was in his path, and on his way putting others down. Piti
Kamalesh Singh jiddu and UG are friends turned enemies, this is UG for you, he has that arrogant finish at times. Both are contrast in nature but definitely informative if not intelligent.
There was little purpose to the talk other than to denounce the generalised view of enlightenment and to belittle his own views or lack of them on the subject. The result was a complete lack of direction or point. Whoever this person is, this particular talk was drenched with a lost, egotistical over tone.
Papaji's contribution is beyond words and so deeply appreciated. He totally eliminates all the dogma and concepts and methods and practices and cuts right to the core. He addresses the very heart of maya, delusion, samsara. It arises with thought. Eliminate thought and mind is eliminated. Reality reappears, although it has never left. It was always covered by thought much as a mere cloud blocks sunlight. His practice is so sincere and very advanced and his students are such a humble loving bunch. Papaji hails from the lineage of Ramana Maharshi and is succeeded by his compassionate loving student Mooji. However, I cannot discount methods of the ancients to dwindle the karmic load more gradually to finally get to the point that Papaji expounds. Papaji comes to you at a point where you are exhausted by the ways of the mind and very willing and eager to let go of the habits of mind. Maybe that is why when I saw his books back in the 1970's, I ignored them. I had to first go through all the laborious study of religion and practice and journey. High in the mountains of the Himalayas, in Gangotri, some naked sanyasins forcefully turned my head to gaze in the eyes of an emaciated old yogi sitting on the earth. First from the eyes and then all around their Master's head emanated streams of golden yellow light. He was so thin but rivers of light and energy poured through him and he was laughing in a state of bliss like he just could not control God's Light and soon it would just carry him away. but he seemed to be hanging on by a thread and I felt that he was hanging on to his incredibly thin bag of bones, only for his students, the almost equally thin sanyasins that brought me to him and surrounded him. When I witnessed the light and bliss overtaking him, the only thought that pervaded me was "This is what happens to a soul when he holds on to nothing; when he/she lets all attachment to thoughts and things go, the bliss of infinity is allowed to be fully pleasant and experienced. When I witnessed this, all I could do was laugh. It was really so comical and ridiculously simple. It was like a huge joke. I almost felt a little sorry for him because he had all to do to hold on to that thread to link him to his body. He seemed to be holding on only out of compassion for his students. His students seemed nowhere near that state of bliss and they depended so much on their dear guru. Hence the definition of guru, two Sanskrit terms, "gu" and "ru." "gu" means darkness and "ru" means that light which dispels the darkness. Truly he was guru, the great light which dispels the darkness. Before Papaji's enlightenment he was a great devotee of Lord Krishna. Lord Krishna was a very real presence in his life. Papaji would spend the length of the day playing with Lord Krishna. Already he was at such a high level. But then Ramana Maharshi asked Papaji to let go of the form of Krishna and he did, to experience full freedom. So, we, too, take on practice and mantra and devotion, concentration on one aspect of the mind to narrow the content of mind to one item as opposed to many as it is easier to let go finally of one as opposed to many. Thank you. Peace, Happiness, Success...
