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I like all the examples you gave but you didn't mention top speeds which raised the top speed the most for blasting down the back roads or a drag race?
Major flaw and we have to pay for it these machines are very expensive already! And every time you overheat your engine you add more wear to it. Not happy at all with the pioneer
I didn't finish watching the video but checked out your chart. Thanks for saving me a grip of money! I can't imagine the seat of the pants is much better than those numbers.
man your pioneer looks sharp! are you running wheel spacers with those wheels as well? I assume those are close to 29-30in tire with a 14in wheel? any info on the offset of the wheels? thanks! Looks good!!
Update, make that 6.2 and 9.2@69. COPS tune runs 0-60 in 6.5 & 1/8th mile in 9.3@68mph. Dragy video on COPS Facebook page. BONE STOCK machine with adapter plate, tune and overheat kit. 90 degrees, ~3000' DA
Different machine with different modifications on a different road on a different day with different weather will yield different results, yes. On this day with all the same variables, the numbers can be seen in the video. Thanks for watching!!!
@@zacharymorris9917 i trust more on this unbiased test than what tuners claims on their webpages ads. He bought the tune from all them,ran it and that what he got,no magic.
@@mandytuning if you think that Ruben Pina is unbias then he has successfully made a fool out of you. He is the third biggest COPS hater of all time and a straight up FCP fanboy. If you think my time isn't real, I'll make you the same bet I've made all the others: show up with $10,000 cash and whatever stock parts you think are modified on my machine. I'll install your supplied parts. When it runs exactly what is shown in my videos I get the $10,000. If it doesn't run the same times I show in my videos, you get $10,000. Facts are kryptonite for COPS haters.
Update, make that 6.2 and 9.2...still on 87. COPS tune runs 0-60 in 6.5 & 1/8th mile in 9.3@68mph. Dragy video on COPS Facebook page. BONE STOCK machine with adapter plate, tune and overheat kit.
I’ll copy and paste my response from the other video you commented on because it’s just as applicable…. Different machine with different modifications on a different road on a different day with different weather will yield different results, yes. On this day with all the same variables, the numbers can be seen in the video. Thanks for watching!!!
The numbers surprisingly show very minimal gains regardless of what tune is used. I'm confused on how it "feels" better, faster, stronger? It's hard to believe you can feel such a sliight difference.
The Hess tune offers a transmission tune that discriminates for the tire size (28,30 or 32). Was that taken into account for these runs? Do the other tunes do that?
The tire size was communicated to all the vendors, whether through their order form or them asking directly. So I do believe that all of them take that into account.
@@runwildpowersports5567 Good deal. I have 32’s and flashed the Hess tune this weekend and couldn’t believe how much better the drivability was. I felt like the shift points were spot on and the machine truly felt much more responsive, even though the numbers don’t necessarily show that. Thank you for doing this review.
@@nicholasbarber8051 and that's the biggest thing to keep in mind. The numbers might not show a ridiculous increase. But it is undeniable that in actual driving, I've seen big benefits and improvements.
@@nicholasbarber8051 he's lying about tire size and communications. PM me and I'll send you screenshots. COPS tune on a R runs low 6s to 60 and low 9s eighth mile. A X4 runs mid to high 6s and a two seat X runs extremely low 6s.
Very good info I was debating what tune to get. Did none of the tunes have the tire size changed for the 32's wouldn't that make a difference with the shift points
Yes, they did have adjustments made for the tire size and shift points. And I did feel a difference as far as that goes. There's only so much you can do when you have such a large difference in overall diameter, though.
Great machine! Here is a nice video diagnosing fuel issues and replacing a fuel pump yourself, super easy, and saving a ton of money: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-D_yk1_I5Lnc.html
Wow, would've assumed there would be more gain than pretty much 1hp/1tq. That's not even a 1% increase in power. It's probably more of a peace of mind thing for when you have an exhaust/filter on it, right? I'd imagine there has to be more left in the stock tune file than 1hp.
I wouldn't say that. There are many things that a tune will help with. In my opinion, a tune should be the first thing that is done on a machine. I have part 2 of this video coming out this weekend and will give more insight than the dyno numbers do. :)
@@runwildpowersports5567 Ok I’ll have to watch them. I been looking at exhaust and tunes for awhile, and to fork out over $1,000 for 1 - 2 HP is a joke.
Another great video with loads of info! I shared both tune videos, hopefully a few more views come your way as it took a lot of time and effort to make these.
Good question. Honestly, it came down to me not wanting to make the video too long with too much information. Looking back, it wouldn't have added but another 1-2 minutes on the video but that was the reason why.
I’m just now researching tunes for the p1000. Curious why did you not run the kill mode/mud vs the stage 4? Trail/mud is not their top performance tune it’s apples to oranges? I’ve seen the difference between trail and kill mode it literally lifts the tires off the ground...
Good question. The kill tune is just to make a video where it lift the from wheels off the ground. It falls on its face after that. It would be a really bad tune to test it with. As far as the COPS tune, I let Zach know that we were going to be making a video comparing the two tunes. He said it would be best to start with the trail tune then he did several tweaks after I data logged it to get it to the point where he felt confident that he had the best tune for the comparison against Florida Cracker. After talking with Florida Cracker, he wished I had done the stage 3 tune in the comparison because it has a less aggressive clutch engagement which have been less wheel spin and likely a wider win against the COPS tune. Off the video, I have done some comparisons on the stage 3 FCP tune and the COPS tune in the video and the FCP tune does, in fact, run even better than the stage 4 in the comparison video because there’s less wheel spin. Hope this helps!!!
Since this particular Pioneer has cams and intake modifications, I can't load the stock tune in order to see what the stock machine would get. However, I will have a new video coming out soon that compares a 100% stock machine with the aftermarket tunes.
I have meet Scott personally and he is a very stand up man. It takes a lot to impress me and this man has earned my respect for sure. Thank you Scott for the intelligent conversations
@@runwildpowersports5567 I am about to get the 1000-5 but with Terrabyte 30s. Do you have to have upgraded A Arms to run them or can you do a 3 inch lift instead?
Per your recommendation, I went with Scott's tune. I'm like a little kid waiting for Christmas in that I'm going out for the first Rip with the tune, tomorrow morning.
@@runwildpowersports5567 I got out on the Pioneer today, what a blast to drive! I went with the Florida Cracker Hot Trail Stage 2 tune. Stock exhaust (custom 2" stainless tip) and stock intake. The shift points are right where they should be now, not struggling to find the right gear. The elimination of the speed limiter in low range is a huge plus, especially in winter when I have the tracks on. Can't wait to get out in the dirt.
I do want to do this, for sure. Unfortunately on my machine since I have the cams and throttle body upgrade, I can’t do a stock baseline run. I do plan on finding a stock machine with both tunes in order to do this, though.
Exactly. Is it enough of a difference to make a difference? I've had tunes done to all kinds of things and for the most part, meh. Better? Yeah I guess... but when you consider the money spent and the warranties voided vs. actual performance gains I think it's marginal.
@@lrh411 that’s the real question. It’s not like these are high horsepower, forced induction machines from the factory. So I think the changes to a stock machine have more to do with better use of power. Not so much the addition of significant amounts of power. But time will tell once I get a chance to test!!!
L Hall, turns out, FCT was actually better in low if we analyzed the numbers in total. See link below and scroll to the bottom. runwildpowersports.com/blogs/news/honda-pioneer-1000-tune-shootout 👍🏻
Low range 60' COPS 0-10 COPS 0-20 COPS 0-30 COPS 0-40 COPS 0-45 COPS 0-8300 COPS 0-8500 COPS 0-660' COPS High range 60' COPS 0-10 COPS 0-20 COPS 0-30 COPS 0-40 COPS 0-50 COPS 0-55 COPS 0-60 Crackhead 660' Crackhead If you watch the video without paying attention to the actual numbers given by the Dragy you will be lead to believe something very different.
I'm sorry but that is incorrect. If you see the link below and scroll to the bottom, you will see a comparison that was done for the speeds. runwildpowersports.com/blogs/news/honda-pioneer-1000-tune-shootout
@@zacharymorris9917 as the saying goes, you’re welcome to your own opinion but not your own facts. The numbers are all there in more detail than is really warranted. It’s unfortunate that you’re having a hard time accepting them. But we are happy to have worked with you in getting a tune for the making of this video and our machine.
Thank you for taking the bait. Your posted results have 4, 5, 7, 9, and 11 second discrepancies. You were made FULLY aware of those discrepancies and denied them all. You have had a couple days to correct those blatantly obvious errors and you refused to do it. Now you're changing your story when it's advantageous to your clear and present FCT bias. Anyone who has ever used a Dragy knows that they don't populate 45 or 55 MPH times, yet you are claiming it does. You obviously have no clue what the actual results were or you can't keep track of what they were. Incompetence? Negligent bias? Both? Since you can not be trusted to do consistent and accurate testing, I'll go ahead and defer to the independent testing that John Kittleson did. His results were all COPS by a minimum of .2 seconds even with massive wheel spin.
@@zacharymorris9917 Dragy did not provide those times. I would invite you to click the link above and read the top paragraphs. I go into how those times were calculated. These were not scientific and were not included in the original video. However to keep the viewers with correct data, I provided it. Because the data you are providing is incorrect and I want to make sure correct data is provided.
Contrary to what's said in the video, COPS did NOT send a drag race, 1/8th mile or 0-60 tune. We did NOT send a tune specifically for this video. We sent a maximum reliability 87 octane OFF ROAD tune that does everything well, but nothing the best. We dataloged and verified it to be optimum for TRAIL use. This is especially true in the fifth to sixth shift that's set high for climbing a hill. If you set it low enough for best 0-60 on flat ground the machine will lose speed in 6th climbing a hill. Same for Low range, if you set the shifts low enough for best flat paved road performance the machine will suffer off-road.
Just so that we are clear, FCT did not send a drag race tune, either. We are not interested in a drag race tune. Although that would make for a pretty cool RU-vid video, it would not translate into real life--as you also suggest. What was tested here is two tunes that can each be loaded on the machines in perpetuity--for a variety of terrains/uses. Both tuners contest that their respective tunes will provide power and longevity in the machine. Both tuners were let known ahead of time that these tunes were going to be used in this capacity. We have no reason to suspect that either tuner sent a tune that could only be used for drag racing. All that being said, I am 100% confident in the fact that this is an apples to apples comparison and a fair comparison between the two.
@@runwildpowersports5567 FCT sent a tune with all the same features that our drag race tune has. Clutch slip, reduced shift torque reduction and reduced drivability. Being an amateur tuner does not change the facts. Saying it is an apples to apples comparison is insulting and COMPLETELY ABSURD. Our tune has been PROVEN over thousands of machines for years and the other is written by someone who was asking how to use the device a month ago. The paved flat road performance is virtually identical on our second most docile 87 octane tune compared to FCT most aggressive tune. We don't have to sacrifice any clutch life, reliability, longevity, driveability or fuel economy to do it. Ours is a tune written to get 50,000 miles out of the machine in an off-road environment. The other is a tune that slips the clutches, will definitely shorten the life of the machine, turns all the safety/adaption/trim features off, will definitely foul plugs/O2 sensor and gets terrible fuel economy.
@@zacharymorris9917 I appreciate your loyalty to your product. It’s always good to have passion about what you’re doing. That’s what makes this community great. I stand behind the results of these tests and believe in the validity of them, 100%. I’m sorry if you feel otherwise and that the data supports our findings.
Correct results are as follows. High results were: 60' 2.33 vs 2.32, 660' 11.12 vs 11.27. Low results were: 60' 2.28 vs 2.26, 660' (decelerating) 11.48 vs 11.45. The white board data isn't even remotely close to accurate.
runwildpowersports.com/blogs/news/honda-pioneer-1000-tune-shootout There are some discrepancies with the Dragy on the screen and then their post run data sheet. On the link above there are the post run data logs and the whiteboard. That being said, that only affected the 60’ times. All other numbers on the board and the results that followed are 100% accurate.
I was looking at the 20 second 1/8th miles he wrote down and I’m like wtf is this man talking about?! Everything is WAY off. The 1/8th miles would be way slower than a stock pioneer, I have no idea what kinda calculator this guy was using but throw it away!
66% of your own powertrain customizations mentioned are COPS. You can’t teach experience - as you mentioned 20+ yrs of internal combustion experience with Zach alone. COPS extensive EcoSystem and Experience have earned my trust in transitioning from stock to stellar. Wish FCT the best - competition makes us all better.
You're absolutely correct. The induction kit that I have on my machine is amazing. It turned my machine to a whole other animal. The R&D that COPS has done on the machines is invaluable. Looking forward to what other products they have come out in the future. One thing I didn't make mention of in the video, though, is that Scott Alvarez has much longer general racing/engine experience than COPS does. That's why I made sure and differentiated experience relating to powersports vs. just experience in racing and engines.
I actually have 35 years of experience. It’s just not talked about much. My first high performance engine i built was in 1987. I use to race dirt bikes when i was a teenager and have always done my own work as I’m a 3rd generation mechanic my family has been in automotive performance since the 50’s. I worked as a mechanic for a long time only recently changed careers. I’ve built transmissions, differentials, engines everything from small to diesels, and marine. I appreciate the video and thought they were well thought out and definitely not bias.
@@jls2966 the bias is so obvious. Why can't Ruben accurately display any of the facts?? Why are all his errors made in one direction? You can go to the PV3 Facebook page and see that Scott Alvarez doesn't even understand the most basic concept of internal combustion engines. He was asking why the Pioneer would have different fueling front to rear on 8/4/2020. You read that right. TWENTY TWENTY, a few months ago. Someone explained to him, in very novice terms, that the port length is different and that's why. (Not entirely correct) He responded with a picture measuring the diameter of the throttle body adapter plate. Your read that correctly, the DIAMETER, not length of the plate, NOT the port. Anyone who wants screenshots can email Zachary@completeoffroadpowersports.com I've been drag racing for 34 years. Spent half days in kindergarten and half days in a hot rod shop with one of the fastest street legal, full weight, full body street legal pickups in the country. Tuned my first engine 25 years ago. Built my first engine 22 years ago. Was ASE MASTER certified 19 years ago. Was on the T1 team that built the world's first 8 second front wheel drive drag car (8.8 1320 1890HP out of a 2.1L). Held the world record for fastest full body, full weight Ford Lighting (7.9 1320 on a Supercharged 6.2L) built with my best friend Kevin Hargett (one of the best drag car drivers of all time). Was #2 on the team that won the Outlaw 10.5 championship with Kevin driving. The fastest car I've ever tuned went 4.00 at 190 to 660' at 2400lb (tube chassis ProMod). Second fastest car went 4.15 to 660' at 3100lb (a back halved 2001 Mustang). I CURRENTLY have the world's fastest and quickest Pioneer AND world's quickest KRX. AGAIN, I currently, repeat currently, have the world's fastest and quickest Pioneer 1000. On 32s, long travel, full weight, 5 seater with car seats and a cooler full of beer. GET SOME SCOTT
I forgot to mention that my brother, the co-owner of COPS, has more powersports experience than all of the people commenting on this video COMBINED. Scott doesn't even know what a HD-8 is. (Pathetic ignorance)
